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Simple guidance for the thread ... Whatever causes you to pause and think.

Sitting in a dentist chair after three days of down time, the following lyrics float out of the speakers:

Turn down the lights, turn down the bed
Turn down these voices inside my head
Lay down with me, tell me no lies
Just hold me close, don't patronize - don't patronize me

Cause I can't make you love me if you don't
You can't make your heart feel something it won't
Here in the dark, in these lonely hours
I will lay down my heart and I'll feel the power
But you won't, no you won't
'Cause I can't make you love me, if you don't

I'll close my eyes, then I won't see
The love you don't feel when you're holding me
Morning will come and I'll do what's right
Just give me till then to give up this fight
And I will give up this fight

'Cause I can't make you love me if you don't
You can't make your heart feel something it won't
Here in the dark, in these lonely hours
I will lay down my heart and I'll feel the power
But you won't, no you won't
'Cause I can't make you love me, if you don't

Pity they don't make novacaine for the ears
 
That's just downright depressing. Thank gawd you made it out alive.
 
AngelicAssassin said:
Simple guidance for the thread ... Whatever causes you to pause and think.

Sitting in a dentist chair after three days of down time, the following lyrics float out of the speakers:

Turn down the lights, turn down the bed
Turn down these voices inside my head
Lay down with me, tell me no lies
Just hold me close, don't patronize - don't patronize me

Cause I can't make you love me if you don't
You can't make your heart feel something it won't
Here in the dark, in these lonely hours
I will lay down my heart and I'll feel the power
But you won't, no you won't
'Cause I can't make you love me, if you don't

I'll close my eyes, then I won't see
The love you don't feel when you're holding me
Morning will come and I'll do what's right
Just give me till then to give up this fight
And I will give up this fight

'Cause I can't make you love me if you don't
You can't make your heart feel something it won't
Here in the dark, in these lonely hours
I will lay down my heart and I'll feel the power
But you won't, no you won't
'Cause I can't make you love me, if you don't

Pity they don't make novacaine for the ears
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Thats the Bonnie Rait song he played over and over again just before he shagged our next door neighbour.
Could become part of a top ten of songs that men use to justify having wandering dicks *sigh*

PS once she had him (well had him several times actually) turns out she didn't want to keep him either!! couldn't your heart just sob for him...... no wife, no girlfriend... ahhh

Thank God when he left he took that record with him as well :p
 
That is actually one of my favorite songs, just because of the epiphany it brought on. It still makes me cry though.
 
Epiphany...

...and a very hurtful one at that.

Instead of for the ears, novacaine for the heart would be so much better, IMO.

The relationship that this song affects ended in '94, but I have carried the pain of it all these years. In a prison of my own making, it is remarkable I have found even a glimmer of happiness along the way. Reading those words and hearing the song come to life in my head, brought tears to my eyes and reminded me that no matter how much I love her, I can't make her love me...

Perhaps soon the bars will open and I will, once again, be free to live and love as deeply as it is within me to do.

Esclava :(
 
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I think AA has a lot of fear in his heart. It's hard to be truly open and let another person in. There's a lot of risk in real intimacy.

I'm here for you, man.
 
Is it a lil' candle or something better?

Sappy love songs... gods I hope women truely aren't such.
 
Being a singer and a lover of sappy love songs, I will admit that I love that song, however it is not a song I would want to hear while at the dentist.
 
I'm staying in town with a friend as I recover from an illness. We've been friends forever, but have never really talked in depth about our sex lives. I recently discovered she's a switch, with mostly PYL tendencies. So we talk about wiiwd a lot. (or rather what it is she does and I want to do if I ever get the nerve..) She tells me that if I don't mind, she usually gets together with her girl on Wednesday nights, but if it disturbs me, they'll skip this week. I tell her know way in hell is she gonna miss this on my account.

Last night, she was flogging her girl. I could hear it all. I could hear the wooshing of the flogger, the thuddy thwack as it strikes. I heard the yelps and gasps and cries. I heard the begging. Then she switched to the belt. The sound of the buckle jingling in her hand. The slap of impact. The girl came so many times, so hard!

I felt some sort of connexion to her. I felt as if I was sharing in her pain, in her arousal.

I saw her in the kitchen this morning making coffee. She had bruises from just above the back of the knee up to where they dissappeared under her t shirt. We made eye contact, and glanced away, alomst guiltily. As if we had something to be ashamed of. She mumbled something about "its okay, I like it." I said, "I know, I'm sort of jealous." She left to room in a hurry, taking coffee to my friend. But she came back, and she said. "You know, it's one thing to have a lover who wants to keep you safe forever. But it's a whole new ball game when you have someone who loves you enough to hurt you when you need it."

Tears came to my eyes. I want to be loved like that someday.

How's that for an epiphany?
 
I remember being 14, sitting and crying to that song, as I realized that their was nothing I could do to make my mother love me as much as she loved my sister. A song that always gets me is that one that goes:

Here I go again on my own,
Going down the only road I've ever known,
Like a drifter I was born to walk alone,
And I made up my mind,
I ain't wasting no more time,
Cause here I go again.

That one definately caused an epifany.
 
LOL, well as deep as that song can hit me, have to admit it is one of my favourite George Michael numbers....gets the replay button hit a few times on the CD player...actually can bring out some of my best writing too. Hmmmm, then again, George brings out a lot of good things in me with his voice, style, groove, and fantastic egalitarian sense of being....not to mention he ain't too bad on the eyes either.:D Dentists don't bother me except if they try and convince me I need an injection for anything other than an extraction.

Catalina:rose:
 
Here's one that makes you think. It's by Styx

Everynight I say a prayer
In the hopes that there's a heaven
But everyday I'm more confused
As the saints turn into sinners

Every hero and legend I knew as a child
Have fallen to idols of clay
And I feel this empty place inside
So afraid that I've lost my place

Show me the way
Show me the way
Take me tonight to the river
And wash my illusions away
Show me the way
 
Question

Apocalypse or Epiphany

When did they become exclusive of each other?
 
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EKVITKAR said:
Apocalypse or Epiphany

When did they become exclusive of each other?
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In the meanings I read into each word, they ARE exclusive of each other.

One meaning of apocalypse is a decisive conflict or confrontation. One of the meanings for epiphany, on the other hand, is a revelation that usually happens because of a "simple occurance" (word or deed) that expands one's mind or understanding.

If I look at them from those perspectives and am struggling with a particular conflict, it would seem plausible that the "simple occurance" could present either: a resolution of that conflict - or a revelation that it was not a conflict at all. The latter is the expansion of my mind to see something - that I thought was a conflict - outside the previously defined boundaries of my box.

So, IMHO, Apocalypse and Epiphany CAN exert themselves in a one or the other fashion.

Esclava :rose:
 
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Esclava said:
In the meanings I read into each word, they ARE exclusive of each other.

One meaning of apocalypse is a decisive conflict or confrontation. One of the meanings for epiphany, on the other hand, is a revelation that usually happens because of a "simple occurance" (word or deed) that expands one's mind or understanding.

If I look at them from those perspectives and am struggling with a particular conflict, it would seem plausible that the "simple occurance" could present either: a resolution of that conflict - or a revelation that it was not a conflict at all. The latter is the expansion of my mind to see something - that I thought was a conflict - outside the previously defined boundaries of my box.

So, IMHO, Apocalypse and Epiphany CAN exert themselves in a one or the other fashion.

Esclava :rose:
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*sigh* I wish ..
Though I would argue with you.. That sometimes the apocolypse IS the epiphany....And vice versa.
A concept which I would bet AA knows quite as well as I do ..to our occaisional sorrw.
A long time ago in a place far away... The background music for that particular debacle (which still bothers me to this day)..was by Chris DeBurge I think ..It was "Lady In Red".
Pain can be a valuable learning experience ..That, was the epiphany that day.
 
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EKVITKAR said:
... A concept which I would bet AA knows quite as well ...
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And a very deep part of the pool indeed.

Suffice to say, i can remember details of past events based on the wrong song. Put that music in the wrong place ... voilà ... instant double tap to the back of the head.
 
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EKVITKAR said:
*sigh* I wish ..
Though I would argue with you.. That sometimes the apocolypse IS the epiphany....And vice versa.
<snip>..It was "Lady In Red".
Pain can be a valuable learning experience ..That, was the epiphany that day.
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I, too, learned a valuable lesson associated with that song. My heart goes out to you for the pain it continues to inflict - even in fleeting moments.

IMHO, if a relationship apocalypse results in an epiphany, it is because there were no clues or directional signposts given to point one in that direction. Either that or the signs were denied until we are thrust into our own personal hell.

Whichever it is, it's not an easy task to ascend from such depths. I am awed by those that make it out.

Esclava :rose:
 
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Esclava said:
Is that anything like NOT rolling over and playing dead?

And kicking them where it hurts on the way up?

Esclava :rose:
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Oh I dunno .... playing dead can be handy.....*grin* Gets em close enough for the quiet stuff to work well....

As for that particualr song ...*sigh* I know more people than not that have REALLY bad associations with that one.
Karma I guess.
 
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