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Colonel Hogan said:
What would be the military's motivation for using a weapon that wasn't significantly effective against the target? How would that benefit them? Getting more of the same "ineffective" weapons? Really?

As for collateral damage, it has a lethal blast radius to humans of 1.7 miles. How many people lived within two miles of the tunnel complex? I don't know either, but out in the boonies of Afghanistan, I'm thinking not many.
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To test it out under battle type conditions. Make sure your s.o.p. are up to snuff. Big difference between a test drop in Florida and an operational drop in Afghanistan.

Terrorists need support too. Or the usual hide amongst the school district building. Some poor goat herder may not have known what hit him. And now his wife and kids are widowed, orphaned and destitute. Afghanistan is not an urban country. There are 45 million Pashtuns in an area the size of France. Quite possible there is collateral damage. Not guaranteed but possible.

It's not designed to crack bunkers and was overkill in the 2nd Iraq War. What made it so useful a weapon to use now. Test it out on the boonies of Afghanistan before the DPRK? Doubtful though. A C-130 probably won't live long over N. Korean airspace unless heavily supported. But you never know.

Look at the massive firepower brought to bear on Grenada. A 'real' win there!
 
Hard_Rom said:
Didn't read that it is not a penetrator weapon and would be far less successful than against a surface target.
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It has a one-mile blast radius, how fucking far do you think those shock waves penetrated into the cave-tunnel complex?

Are you judging the acumen and intelligence of our military based upon your experience with the Canadian "military?"


:devil:


So far 36 Taliban dead, no civilians dead and no reports of goat carcass other than the one they might have been using while playing the national sport when caught unawares.

The difference between two Presidents, one who took credit for the killing of bin Laden with I, I, I, I and the one who was asked, Did you authorize this" who went on a we, we, we, we rant.

But now the world knows. You kill a Green Beret, there's going to be a consequence, not an apology and a deep bow.
 
Hard_Rom said:
Would depend on what type of ground tunnel system was built into for the MOAB to be effective. Natural hard rock not so much. Like a granite mountain cave system. Dug into softer material something that big will have some effect. Set off 8 feet above ground not sure how far it's destructive capabilities would extend.

More likely this was a chance to use it. Not much use having fancy weapon systems if you're not going to use them. I'm betting an unstable amateur like T-Rump gets the same tiny chubby many RWCJ types do at seeing video footage of cruise missiles being launched and big bombs going off.

Probably has a live feed. Plus the knowledge that he gave the order.

I bet the military can talk him into trying out all sorts of weapon systems that have never been used that much.

Got no problem with targeting Daesh. But have a concern about collateral damage. Which as we know is just another way of saying dead innocent civilians. Don't think 50 dead terrorists is worth an innocent family's life.

We area bombed Germany during WWII because the technology was not sufficient to do pinpoint bombing. I have hopes that all this high tech shit will one day almost eliminate collateral damage.

Yeah, I know. I'm a dreamer and a bleeding heart idealist.
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Geology major?

Or just continuing to dig a hole?

You have no idea as to the place that got bombed, this much is clear...
 
Colonel Hogan said:
What would be the military's motivation for using a weapon that wasn't significantly effective against the target? How would that benefit them? Getting more of the same "ineffective" weapons? Really?

As for collateral damage, it has a lethal blast radius to humans of 1.7 miles. How many people lived within two miles of the tunnel complex? I don't know either, but out in the boonies of Afghanistan, I'm thinking not many.
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renard_ruse said:
How much damage to the environment and to the wildlife, not to mention civilians, done by something like this? We were supposed to be sad over some phony pictures of 10 kids who were supposely gassed in Syria, but not be sad over who knows how many civilians were killed by the MOAB in Afganistan. That's not even getting into how much war across the entire world is going run us taxpayers. We can just borrow more from the non-currency manipulator good guys in China and party on. Woo hoo, U S A! U S A! U S A! :rolleyes:
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Trump Derangement Syndrome

The people we killed place no value on civilian life, in fact they relish taking it...
 
renard_ruse said:
How much damage to the environment and to the wildlife, not to mention civilians, done by something like this? We were supposed to be sad over some phony pictures of 10 kids who were supposely gassed in Syria, but not be sad over who knows how many civilians were killed by the MOAB in Afganistan. That's not even getting into how much war across the entire world is going run us taxpayers. We can just borrow more from the non-currency manipulator good guys in China and party on. Woo hoo, U S A! U S A! U S A! :rolleyes:
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Yes, our generals should have to check in with the EPA before acting. Under Obama, the environmental impact of "boots on the ground" bending the stems of the flora and fauna in Middle East poppy fields triggered widespread enuresis in San Francisco, Seattle, and the Rocky Mountain "High" of Colorado. :rolleyes::D
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
It has a one-mile blast radius, how fucking far do you think those shock waves penetrated into the cave-tunnel complex?

Are you judging the acumen and intelligence of our military based upon your experience with the Canadian "military?"


:devil:


So far 36 Taliban dead, no civilians dead and no reports of goat carcass other than the one they might have been using while playing the national sport when caught unawares.

The difference between two Presidents, one who took credit for the killing of bin Laden with I, I, I, I and the one who was asked, Did you authorize this" who went on a we, we, we, we rant.

But now the world knows. You kill a Green Beret, there's going to be a consequence, not an apology and a deep bow.
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There was no air left in the tunnels below that detonation.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
Trump Derangement Syndrome

The people we killed place no value on civilian life, in fact they relish taking it...
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Leftists will gladly run through mine fields and jump through flaming hoops to try and discredit Trump.

Fucking buffoons.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
It has a one-mile blast radius, how fucking far do you think those shock waves penetrated into the cave-tunnel complex?

Are you judging the acumen and intelligence of our military based upon your experience with the Canadian "military?"


:devil:


So far 36 Taliban dead, no civilians dead and no reports of goat carcass other than the one they might have been using while playing the national sport when caught unawares.

The difference between two Presidents, one who took credit for the killing of bin Laden with I, I, I, I and the one who was asked, Did you authorize this" who went on a we, we, we, we rant.

But now the world knows. You kill a Green Beret, there's going to be a consequence, not an apology and a deep bow.
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Probably further than that. In a tunnel complex the over-pressure is focused and contained as opposed to open air where it disperses equally in all directions. I wouldn't want to be in those tunnels no matter how far away.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
Probably further than that. In a tunnel complex the over-pressure is focused and contained as opposed to open air where it disperses equally in all directions. I wouldn't want to be in those tunnels no matter how far away.

Ishmael
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Truth is, we'll never know how many were killed or not. Those in the immediate target area would have been vaporized. Even a DNA search might be difficult.
 
Rightguide said:
Truth is, we'll never know how many were killed or not. Those in the immediate target area would have been vaporized. Even a DNA search might be difficult.
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I can't conceive of anyone wanting to go to the time or expense. Those in the tunnels wouldn't show any signs of trauma. They'd look like they just went to sleep.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
I can't conceive of anyone wanting to go to the time or expense. Those in the tunnels wouldn't show any signs of trauma. They'd look like they just went to sleep.

Ishmael
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Those inside could be bleeding from the nose and ears.
 
There might have been horses harmed...



You never know!


:mad:

Abu Ivanka al-Amriki killed My Little Pony!

Impeachment!
 
I can imagine the conversations going on now. "To spelunk or not to spelunk, that is the question."

Ishmael
 
Saw the video footage of the bombing. There seems to be a watercourse near by...


Did Trump do an environmental impact study???


If no, you must impeach!


:mad:​


The pollution may find its way to innocent children.
 
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