Mink

[modest mouse]

Mouse, I was turning Lav's argument that I shouldn't wear fur because of societal expectations around. I thought that was obvious.

I'm not going to let society as a whole make up my mind for me on any subject.

Alrighty. In that context I can hold off on that Email I was going to circulate saying how you're an inconsiderate bitch worthy of behind-your-back ridicule.

Anyone who received an advance copy of said Email, please disregard.

This debate boils down to this: Id the death of numerous mink worth a coat?

I dont see how anyone can answer in the affirmative.

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Perky, its nice to see you in some of the more involved threads recently but you act like a juvenile at times. Of course thats my opinion and we both know its worth a ton.

 

[Lancecastor]

Can't we get back on topic here?

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[perks]

Perky, I may have missed your comments, but did you actually say that the killing of an animal for food is no different than the killing of an animal for fashion? (not survival warmth, but fashion. Nordstroms does not provide mink coats to the Inuit people).

No, I didn't say either thing. I did say I'd wear leather and fur if I wanted to do so.

I said, In this world we live in the ability to escape the destruction of anything isn't a viable ideal. Just because you don't wear a fur coat, doesn't mean it's helping anything in the big picture.

You can hold to your ideals, and save 55 minks, but that's all you're doing. How does that change the world we live in?

How does not wearing a fur coat, or being an activist against cruelty to animals change the environment.

If someone who wears a fur coat also donates a gazillion frickin dollars to worthwhile aids research, or easing famine, I'm not going to paint their 55 minks.

If you don't do mink, you shouldn't do leather either.

Degrees of killing? Who's stupid when you look at the big picture?

 

[perks]

Perky, its nice to see you in some of the more involved threads recently but you act like a juvenile at times. Of course thats my opinion and we both know its worth a ton of shit.

you're right.

 

[Lancecastor]

So, what have we learned here today?

1. Mink coats are sexy as hell;

2. Only 55 renewable rodents are euthanized to make 1 sexy coat;

3. Every mink coat bought puts us one step closer to freedom from killing Iraqis to secure oil supplies;

4. Vegetable coats are not very hot;

5. Lav has hair issues;

6. Sandia likes killing bugs and taking Percs;

7. We can ignore Hanns and have a full thread anyway;

8. Ruby likes the coat,diamonds,lipstick, stockings and heels thing.

These are all valuable lessons.

Be good to each other.

Lance

 

[sunstruck]

No, I didn't say either thing. I did say I'd wear leather and fur if I wanted to do so.

Well then I didn't call you stupid. I said it was stupid to compare the killing of animals for food to the killing of animals for fashion.

I said it was tacky to wear fur.

As to leather, I eat cow, I'll wear cow. That's my policy. If I don't eat it I ain't wearing it.

As to the rest of your post, it was slightly upsetting. You seem to be implying that one person's actions do not make a difference in this world and I totally disagree. One person affects the people around them and so on. That's what society IS.

 

[Lancecastor]

I said it was tacky to wear fur.

As to leather, I eat cow, I'll wear cow. That's my policy. If I don't eat it I ain't wearing it.

Hmmmmm... now this I can have fun with.

You surely use products made from mink carcasses whether you know it or not.

Lipstick, car tires, skin cream, etc.

As for wearing what you eat....there's a Something About Mary hair gel joke lurking in there somewhere, I just know it....

 

[perks]

As to the rest of your post, it was slightly upsetting. You seem to be implying that one person's actions do not make a difference in this world and I totally disagree. One person affects the people around them and so on. That's what society IS.

upsetting?

I wasn't implying. I was talking about this instance, a fur coat, or the fur industry being held responsible for the cruelty of animals, because the sanctimonious masses think it's a fashion thing.

Throw away your diamond rings<or did you research the mine practices where your gem came from?>

I seriously think for lots of people, it's a I can't afford it, therefor I'm going to say it's not a cool thing to do issue.

 

[sunstruck]

Nope. My makeup, skin care and hair care are all natural and non animal tested. Health food stores are amazing like that.

BURT'S BEES RULES.

 

[sunstruck]

Perky, whether or not I can afford it shouldn't be an issue, and there's no way for me to proove I can here, nor do I care to.

I don't blame the fur industry for cruelty to animals. I blame the people who buy the fur. No buyers, no industry. Nor do I blame them completely. There is so much cruelty that has nothing to do with fur, and I'm not claiming that all of it can be stopped.

You're making the "If you can't beat 'em join 'em" argument. The mink are going to diw anyway, I may as well look hot in this coat.

It's vain. It's selfish.

Say you don't care about the animals. Say you're wardrobe is more important to you. Say you could give a fuck about the lives of the minks. Be honest.

But don't try to justify it. You can't.

 

[perks]

I am vain, but you're right I still wouldn't wear the fur. But it has nothing to do with the fact that it is a fur.

Do I care about animals? Domesticated ones. Ones that I have attachments to, certainly. All of them? No. They're not children. They're animals. They're here for food, for clothing, for testing, so human beings don't have to do it.

Just because some of them happen to make me look good, doesn't make them off limits.

 

[Lancecastor]

Say you don't care about the animals. Say you're wardrobe is more important to you. Say you could give a fuck about the lives of the minks. Be honest.

You are right. I don't give a fuck about the lives of the minks.

They are rodents and are very plentiful.

Unlike oil, for which the USA is prepared to kill people anytime to get more of.

So yes, please go get in your SUV and head out to buy some polyester, rayon, lycra and nylon garments.

55 mink?

or thousands of Iraqis?

Your Burts Bees Lip Balm....made without any cruelty to bees....should be enough to keep you on your high horse.

 

[Samuari]

Throw away your diamond rings<or did you research the mine practices where your gem came from?>

I seriously think for lots of people, it's a I can't afford it, therefor I'm going to say it's not a cool thing to do issue.

Exactly

 

[Cheyenne]

I couldnt respect someone that would purchase a mink coat. It shows too much ignorance to be easily overcome.

So. You respect me now (or so you've said) but in 10 years if I feel like being an old lady in a mink coat, that respect goes out the window just because I disagree with your view of the world? Rather short sighted and shallow that would be, don't you think?
I'd hate to respect only people who agree with me on everything. My world would be much smaller than it is right now.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

I am vain, but you're right I still wouldn't wear the fur. But it has nothing to do with the fact that it is a fur.

Do I care about animals? Domesticated ones. Ones that I have attachments to, certainly. All of them? No. They're not children. They're animals. They're here for food, for clothing, for testing, so human beings don't have to do it.

Just because some of them happen to make me look good, doesn't make them off limits.

Perky, you look good in anything. For that matter, you look good in nothing too.

 

[lavender]

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

So. You respect me now (or so you've said) but in 10 years if I feel like being an old lady in a mink coat, that respect goes out the window just because I disagree with your view of the world? Rather short sighted and shallow that would be, don't you think?
I'd hate to respect only people who agree with me on everything. My world would be much smaller than it is right now.

Women look elegant in mink at any age, but young women look sexy and elegant in mink. Success is a sweet ambrosia. Chey, you'd look grand in a mink, you work hard, you're smart and you've earned it. Go for it and be warm this winter.

 

[sunstruck]

See Perky? I told you the deflective argument thread I posted wasn't directed at you specifically.

The war in Iraq is SO relevent to this thread. Do go on, you wizard of debate.

(this is the part where is starts trying to degrade me sexually. Oooo.)

 

[modest mouse]

So. You respect me now (or so you've said) but in 10 years if I feel like being an old lady in a mink coat, that respect goes out the window just because I disagree with your view of the world? Rather short sighted and shallow that would be, don't you think?
I'd hate to respect only people who agree with me on everything. My world would be much smaller than it is right now.

Would I lose all respect for you? No, I have a great deal of respect for you Cheyenne. I think you know this.

Would I lose some respect for you? Yes, I would. Maybe that amkes me short-sighted, so be it. My principles are important to me in this world. I depend on them.

Respect only people who agree with me on everything? C'mon, gimme a break.

 

[Cheyenne]

Would I lose all respect for you? No, I have a great deal of respect for you Cheyenne. I think you know this.

Would I lose some respect for you? Yes, I would. Maybe that amkes me short-sighted, so be it. My principles are important to me in this world. I depend on them.

Respect only people who agree with me on everything? C'mon, gimme a break.

Ah, but you didn't say you'd respect a person who purchased mink LESS. You said you couldn't respect them, period. A matter of degree, yes? Be careful of black and white judgments with no gray area. They come back in life to haunt you eventually.

I couldnt respect someone that would purchase a mink coat. It shows too much ignorance to be easily overcome.

 

[Lancecastor]

Chey, I agree with the Southern dude...if you want a mink...go for it!

The PETA arguments are dross, reverse-fashionistaism.

I'd rather kill 10,000,000 North American mink, rabbits, coyotes, beavers, seals, fox and otter anytime than the thousands of Middle Eastern people about to be bombed in order to secure oil for American factories making synthetic goods.

If anyone tries to diss you about your choice....It's about sustainable development and wise use of resources and human dignity.

 

[sunstruck]

I'd rather kill 10,000,000 North American mink, rabbits, coyotes, beavers, seals, fox and otter anytime than the thousands of Middle Eastern people about to be bombed in order to secure oil for American factories making synthetic goods.

What the HELL does one have to do with the other?

 

[lavender]

 

[Guest]

none of you'd better use a cucumber for a dildo. Abuse! Unless it's our favorite Arab murderer. Then it would be fun.

 

[lavender]