Minimum Wage & Union Wages: You Pay for them...

[amicus]

Heaps of families end up in welfare lines even when they have minimum wage jobs. So you're saying get rid of the minimum wage and let families make $4.50 an hour instead of $7.25. What then? More welfare? Should they go to charities to feed their kids?

Explain how parents working two jobs, 60 hours per week and never being home to see their spouse and children works with the "family values" crowd. I love how Amicus MOANS about how kindergarten and day care damage kids. But kids never seeing their parents because they have to constantly work? That's okay somehow.

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Ya, know, 41 Mercury, the frightening and sickening thing about the dialetic you spout is that you actually believe it.

Arbitrary wage levels and when the government is stupid enough to try it, price controls, create inflation and poverty, unemployment and misery. All the good intentions of controlling the market place, call it by whatever name you wish, always end up in disrupting the flow of life and the ability of the average citizen to suport himself.

Wealth is not a static quantity like gold in the ground or in the bank, wealth is created and is dynamic and directly related to the effort of the individual. There is no fine complex formula needed to realize a productive and happy society, just the necessity to get you do-gooders, manipulators and parasites out of the picture so that free men can pursue their own happiness.

Amicus Veritas

 

[smallgirl]

Part of the 'Emergency' Legislation that Obama signed to keep the subsidies going for the FAA, also included a Union 'rider' bill, to sweeten Union coffers and cost the general public more money.

Minimum wages create unemployment and increase the cost of everything you buy on a daily basis from supermarket products to fast foods. Union wages and benefits destroy jobs and increase the cost of living while benefitting only a small segment of society, namely, Union workers.

Unions were also fundamental in forcing companies to outsource labor by refusing to modernize. Public Unions should be outlawed altogether and private Unions severely limited in collective bargaining and the minimum wage should be abolished forever.

The 'usual suspects' will demand facts and figures and documentations. Nope, you actually have to think this one through and understand the concept.

Amicus Veritas

Excuse me?
I belong to a Union. I think some of your facts are way off base.
Yes, there are some Unions who get the big paychecks for their members. The cadillac health insurance. But not all Unions are the same.
Minimum is $7.25, right? I work with women that have been a member of our Union for over 30 years. Know what they make an hour? Maybe 9 bucks.
Where's the big paycheck and benefits in that?

Oh, before I forget? Family coverage for them? $155 a week is their part to pay.

You do that math.

Not all Unions are the same.

Where i work? We need a better Union than what we have now.

I look at the brightside...without the one we do have, it would be alot worse. We would work endless hours, Sundays, and holidays. Most of the employers in this country really dont care about their employess.

JMO

 

[amicus]

Excuse me?
I belong to a Union. I think some of your facts are way off base.
Yes, there are some Unions who get the big paychecks for their members. The cadillac health insurance. But not all Unions are the same.
Minimum is $7.25, right? I work with women that have been a member of our Union for over 30 years. Know what they make an hour? Maybe 9 bucks.
Where's the big paycheck and benefits in that?

Oh, before I forget? Family coverage for them? $155 a week is their part to pay.

You do that math.

Not all Unions are the same.

Where i work? We need a better Union than what we have now.

I look at the brightside...without the one we do have, it would be alot worse. We would work endless hours, Sundays, and holidays. Most of the employers in this country really dont care about their employess.

JMO

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I like tiny, fragile, petite, 'small girls' are you on the market?

There is a bit of a contradiction in your theme song, if your union is so good for you, but your wages are barely above minimum wage, why do you pay Union Dues?

Every employer cares about their employees, like a three legged stool, take away a leg and it falls, employees are part of the equation.

In a free country, one has the right to form and join a Union. One does not have the right to force others to join, which is where Right to Work States come into play.

Federal and State projects demand Union wages, which means thousands of people would operate heavy machinery at X dollars per hour but government must hire those who demand 3X dollars per hour, this impoverishes the economy, enriches the Unions, who then use your Dues to argue for even higher wages and benefits while the common man, the non union guy, is left without work.

You sound sincere, but that does not mean you are right. Unions are and always have been a bad thing for a free society. They act to limit access to jobs and increase the cost of production of all goods and services. That is why manufacturing has outsourced and will continue to do so until the power of the Unions is brought under control.

Amicus

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I'm sorry for you, being in a union must be horriable

union's are cancer to business

Excuse me?
I belong to a Union. I think some of your facts are way off base.
Yes, there are some Unions who get the big paychecks for their members. The cadillac health insurance. But not all Unions are the same.
Minimum is $7.25, right? I work with women that have been a member of our Union for over 30 years. Know what they make an hour? Maybe 9 bucks.
Where's the big paycheck and benefits in that?

Oh, before I forget? Family coverage for them? $155 a week is their part to pay.

You do that math.

Not all Unions are the same.

Where i work? We need a better Union than what we have now.

I look at the brightside...without the one we do have, it would be alot worse. We would work endless hours, Sundays, and holidays. Most of the employers in this country really dont care about their employess.

JMO

 

[RoryN]

I'm sorry for you, being in a union must be horriable

union's are cancer to business

Your grammar is a cancer to people's eyeballs.

 

[RjThoughts]

I'm sorry for you, being in a union must be horriable

union's are cancer to business

But not to the Common man.

40 hour work weeks and child labor laws are but two things brought about by unions. Or didn't your history books tell you that?

 

[amicus]

But not to the Common man.

40 hour work weeks and child labor laws are but two things brought about by unions. Or didn't your history books tell you that?

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40 hour work weeks and the end of child labor are but two things brought about by the Industrial Revolution and free market Capitalism. With the market free from Royal and Papal control sucking up the wealth, a surplus was generated, the common man benefited and the middle class was created. With discretionary income to dispose of, people chose to work fewer hours and children were no longer needed to work to feed a family.

Read something other than marxist class warfare history books and you will find my words repeated and explained, time and time again.

amicus

 

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[rustywilliams]

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40 hour work weeks and the end of child labor are but two things brought about by the Industrial Revolution and free market Capitalism. With the market free from Royal and Papal control sucking up the wealth, a surplus was generated, the common man benefited and the middle class was created. With discretionary income to dispose of, people chose to work fewer hours and children were no longer needed to work to feed a family.

Read something other than marxist class warfare history books and you will find my words repeated and explained, time and time again.

amicus

You really do have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Child labor was done away with by market forces?

Jeez. This is incredible!

 

[Sean Renaud]

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40 hour work weeks and the end of child labor are but two things brought about by the Industrial Revolution and free market Capitalism. With the market free from Royal and Papal control sucking up the wealth, a surplus was generated, the common man benefited and the middle class was created. With discretionary income to dispose of, people chose to work fewer hours and children were no longer needed to work to feed a family.

Read something other than marxist class warfare history books and you will find my words repeated and explained, time and time again.

amicus

You really buy that bullshit evena s we're slipping back into over 40 hour weeks and talking about cutting school so people enter the work force younger?

 

[Sean]

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40 hour work weeks and the end of child labor are but two things brought about by the Industrial Revolution and free market Capitalism. With the market free from Royal and Papal control sucking up the wealth, a surplus was generated, the common man benefited and the middle class was created. With discretionary income to dispose of, people chose to work fewer hours and children were no longer needed to work to feed a family.

Read something other than marxist class warfare history books and you will find my words repeated and explained, time and time again.

amicus

Utter bullshit. The industrial revolution, which pretty much started in my home town, led to the biggest exploitation of child labour in history. I suggest you read some accounts of what happened in the Lancashire cotton mills and the coal mines. Fucking moron.

 

[bronzeage]

Only in your "Loctite" mind son. The 10% percent raise in the MW by the present regime, has the same effect as a tax on hiring the unskilled.

No, the law makes it illegal to hire anyone who cannot produce at that level. No business person is going to hire people who's cost of employment cannot be absorbed, to do so is to lose money.

Limiting the number of new hires at the bottom of the labor scale works to the advantage of unions in the way that I explained, and in limiting the supply of labor which bids up the cost of existing union labor.

Walmart can't hire more stock boys, so wages for pipefitters goes up. That fits right in with Amicus's idea that lower wages leads to lower prices which will raise the standard of living to the point women can stay home with the kids.

Where do you guys get this shit?

 

[RjThoughts]

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40 hour work weeks and the end of child labor are but two things brought about by the Industrial Revolution and free market Capitalism. With the market free from Royal and Papal control sucking up the wealth, a surplus was generated, the common man benefited and the middle class was created. With discretionary income to dispose of, people chose to work fewer hours and children were no longer needed to work to feed a family.

Read something other than marxist class warfare history books and you will find my words repeated and explained, time and time again.

amicus

[Buzzer sound]

Coal mines hired children as young as 8 as recent as the 1910s! You poor fool. You've drank from the Neo-Con bullshit well far too much! Really? Free market eliminated cheap and disposable labor, replacing it with adults?

I suspect that you're from a WASP family, cocooned from the reality of PA, WV, and VA mines.

 

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[NeverEndingMe]

But not to the Common man.

40 hour work weeks and child labor laws are but two things brought about by unions. Or didn't your history books tell you that?

wow, seeing that you are living in the past. do you have a horse and buggy?

 

[RjThoughts]

Walmart can't hire more stock boys, so wages for pipefitters goes up. That fits right in with Amicus's idea that lower wages leads to lower prices which will raise the standard of living to the point women can stay home with the kids.

Where do you guys get this shit?

Like I said before: They live in a fantasy world, written by Cryin' John the Orange and his ilk.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

You really buy that bullshit evena s we're slipping back into over 40 hour weeks and talking about cutting school so people enter the work force younger?

right now the 40 hr work week is dead, if you chose to work 40 hrs a week, you can watch the others pass by you on the corporate ladder

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Like I said before: They live in a fantasy world, written by Cryin' John the Orange and his ilk.

and you live in the past. what has the union done for you lately? not much, but keep on paying those dues. awesome!

 

[RjThoughts]

wow, seeing that you are living in the past. do you have a horse and buggy?

Ignorance of the past shows ignorance in the here and now.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Where did you get this shit?

maybe bronze wants to hire little boys?

 

[RjThoughts]

and you live in the past. what has the union done for you lately? not much, but keep on paying those dues. awesome!

Well since I belong to a computer programmers' guild...CHEAP healthcare if I wanted, but the wife's is less.

 

[RjThoughts]

right now the 40 hr work week is dead, if you chose to work 40 hrs a week, you can watch the others pass by you on the corporate ladder

Past 40 is overtime. Past 60 is double time. I work as a computer consultant, a company owned by a cousin. What corporate ladder?

 

[bronzeage]

maybe bronze wants to hire little boys?

I have hired more people than you ever will.

Don't come here and pretend you have any experience in these kinds of things. Some takes good care of you. Be grateful for that. The rest of us work for a living.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Ignorance of the past shows ignorance in the here and now.

but you are unable to see the whole picture. you live in a little narrow box. times are different. back in the days you were making reference to, your competitor was Bob next door. today, your competitor is Bob from China

the sorry truth when it comes to business is that the union leadership/democrats are 40 years behind the times.

Its like this: people like you/obama/afl-cio are are the USPS, you nut jobbers are going on a sales call to Amazon HQ. Your sales pitch is how the USPS can handle/process all perform all the shipping for all the ebooks on the Kindle

 

[RjThoughts]

I have hired more people than you ever will.

Don't come here and pretend you have any experience in these kinds of things. Some takes good care of you. Be grateful for that. The rest of us work for a living.

I don't work for a living. I work to pay off my wife's addition to shoes and clothes. Haha

Far too many Neos come from cocooning families, don't know what it's like to drag their asses to a job with the flu or a broken bone because no work means no rent money!