Minimum Wage & Union Wages: You Pay for them...

[rustywilliams]

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That is your basic problem; stop wondering.

Do you think some bureaucrat, one who performs work according to a book of rule and exercises no independent intellectual judgment, can decide what each worker at each level should be paid in every job in every state?

No one can figure that out, the minimum wage is arbitrary.

Only the free market can determine wages. I will pay you this much to do this; you accept or decline. Your choice...that be called freedom and liberty.

get it?

prolly not

amicus

edited to add: as a kid, I worked in the fields for .50 cents an hour and the fucking government still took part of it.

You sound like some private schoolboy who has learnt to use his brain a little but has no knowledge of the real world. It's all from a textbook of abstract theories, but has no relationship to life as it actually is.

 

[Saint Peter]

Take away the minimum wage.
Hmmmm.
That might mean that men have to work for less.
Which means their women would have no choice but to go out to work to help supplement the household income.
Resulting, of course, in less women being able to stay at home and raise the kids...

Doesn't seem to gel with your desire to see more women staying home, does it?

It does not gel at all.

Amicus and Company want to fuck the middle class and poor at every turn in the political and social process.

 

[mercury14]

$0.00

If you want efficient markets, then they decide. Telling an employer what he must pay only reduces employment, for the seen wage belies the unseen costs...

Heaps of families end up in welfare lines even when they have minimum wage jobs. So you're saying get rid of the minimum wage and let families make $4.50 an hour instead of $7.25. What then? More welfare? Should they go to charities to feed their kids?

Explain how parents working two jobs, 60 hours per week and never being home to see their spouse and children works with the "family values" crowd. I love how Amicus MOANS about how kindergarten and day care damage kids. But kids never seeing their parents because they have to constantly work? That's okay somehow.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Heaps of families end up in welfare lines even when they have minimum wage jobs. So you're saying get rid of the minimum wage and let families make $4.50 an hour instead of $7.25. What then? More welfare? Should they go to charities to feed their kids?

Explain how parents working two jobs, 60 hours per week and never being home to see their spouse and children works with the "family values" crowd. I love how Amicus MOANS about how kindergarten and day care damage kids. But kids never seeing their parents because they have to constantly work? That's okay somehow.

You don't get it. Without a minimum wage prices of everything would plumet and you wouldn't need to work so many hours.

 

[mercury14]

Part of the 'Emergency' Legislation that Obama signed to keep the subsidies going for the FAA, also included a Union 'rider' bill, to sweeten Union coffers and cost the general public more money.

Why have you not linked this? Holding out on us? Or perhaps this is another lie?

 

[SuprSalor]

Weekends, Holidays, 40 hour work week, health insurance, etc. Yep, do away with those and bread will be back down to 10 cents a loaf. Gas @ 25 cents per gallon.. things will be super cheap and mom can stay at home and keep house. Yep. I can see it all falling into place.

 

[mercury14]

You don't get it. Without a minimum wage prices of everything would plumet and you wouldn't need to work so many hours.

ECON 101 tells us that price is what consumers will pay for something. Amicus, being ignorant of basic economic theory, thinks that if operating costs decrease so will price. Not true. As long as consumers are willing to pay $50 for a blender, companies will charge $50 for them. Cut corporate taxes and blenders will still be $50. Profits will just go up.

The FAA partial shutdown is one example. The industry just had a $350 million windfall because congress sucks. But prices didn't decrease at all. That $350 million just went into profits.

 

[Sean Renaud]

ECON 101 tells us that price is what consumers will pay for something. Amicus, being ignorant of basic economic theory, thinks that if operating costs decrease so will price. Not true. As long as consumers are willing to pay $50 for a blender, companies will charge $50 for them. Cut corporate taxes and blenders will still be $50. Profits will just go up.

The FAA partial shutdown is one example. The industry just had a $350 million windfall because congress sucks. But prices didn't decrease at all. That $350 million just went into profits.

If people make less money then consumers won't be able to afford 50 dollars for a blender and the price will come down.

If 350 million went to profits they would have increased the pay of their employees silly.

 

[rustywilliams]

Why have you not linked this? Holding out on us? Or perhaps this is another lie?

Although it is a skewed interpretation, I think there was a provision regarding the kind of majority needed to unionize the workplace.
The employers (& Republicans) wanted the unions to need a majority of all workers to vote "yes". That is, if 100 people work somewhere, even if only 52 of them take part in the ballot, then 51 would have to vote yes. This sounds very reasonable, although it means that it is in the employer's interest to manipulate schedules to make voting difficult.
Obama changed the rule so that only a majority of those taking part in the ballot need to vote "yes" to certify the union. In this case it would be in the employer's interest make voting as easy as possible.

 

[Spacefender]

If people make less money then consumers won't be able to afford 50 dollars for a blender and the price will come down.

So if I make less money, prices go down. Meaning that I can buy more with my money. But wait! I have less money now.

Shit. That didn't seem to help me at all.

There seem to be a number of people here who live in economic fairyland.

 

[Sean]

In every country in the world where a minimum wage has been introduced the cry from employers has been "this will cost jobs!"

There is ZERO evidence that this has happened, in the UK precisely the opposite in fact occurred. But don't let the facts get in the way of your sucking corporate cock at the expense of the poorest in society.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So if I make less money, prices go down. Meaning that I can buy more with my money. But wait! I have less money now.

Shit. That didn't seem to help me at all.

There seem to be a number of people here who live in economic fairyland.

It doesn't matter that you have less money since you can buy more with what little money you have. The money is just numbers silly.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

A rising tide may lift all boats but it dont float whale shit on the ocea floor. And minimum wage workers are whale shit.

Unions benefit from minimum wages cuz minimum wage increases float the union boats. Mostly it helps union business agents and business managers. The 16 years I carried a union card local officials sold out the members time and again with sweetheart deals for the contractors. That is, special low rates for union labor.

 

[Sean Renaud]

In every country in the world where a minimum wage has been introduced the cry from employers has been "this will cost jobs!"

There is ZERO evidence that this has happened, in the UK precisely the opposite in fact occurred. But don't let the facts get in the way of your sucking corporate cock at the expense of the poorest in society.

Bullshit. There would be no jobs at all in China or India if America didn't have a minimum wage.

 

[rustywilliams]

It doesn't matter that you have less money since you can buy more with what little money you have. The money is just numbers silly.

Yes, they are just numbers to a little schoolboy who has just learnt a little simple logic and is trying to apply it to basic economic theory.

You assume 1. that labor is the only cost involved in production, and 2. that it is always in the manufacturers interest to sell as many items as possible, which it might not be.

Where your theory applies better is to the very rich.
If no-one can afford to pay $10 million for a house, its price will come down.
If folks are unable to pay $750,000 for a luxury yacht, then the makers will find a way to sell them for less.
So, you make an excellent point for taxing the rich. It's only numbers, after all.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

The Minimum Wage raise at the beginning of the Obama Regime effectively placed a 10% tax on the hiring of young entry level job seekers, plain and simple.

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

 

[Saint Peter]

The Minimum Wage raise at the beginning of the Obama Regime effectively placed a 10% tax on the hiring of young entry level job seekers, plain and simple.

It is not a tax. It is a minimum wage.

The Minimum Wage Law simply says: It is illegal, for those who cannot produce goods and services at the rate of $7.25 per hour, to work in the United States Of America.

No. It says it is illegal to pay an employee less than the minimum wage.

 

[amicus]

You're good for a laugh, at the very least!

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Smiles, well, thank you; I always aim to please...pay me now or pay me later...

ami

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Part of the 'Emergency' Legislation that Obama signed to keep the subsidies going for the FAA, also included a Union 'rider' bill, to sweeten Union coffers and cost the general public more money.

Minimum wages create unemployment and increase the cost of everything you buy on a daily basis from supermarket products to fast foods. Union wages and benefits destroy jobs and increase the cost of living while benefitting only a small segment of society, namely, Union workers.

Unions were also fundamental in forcing companies to outsource labor by refusing to modernize. Public Unions should be outlawed altogether and private Unions severely limited in collective bargaining and the minimum wage should be abolished forever.

The 'usual suspects' will demand facts and figures and documentations. Nope, you actually have to think this one through and understand the concept.

Amicus Veritas

There goes your free market & freedom.

It appears your unique definition of freedom is really just an excuse to benefit the few.

 

[amicus]

Amicus, you might like this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011...the_critical_limits_of_american_politics.html

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Thank you Slug, heck, I thought I was long winded and he sure sounds like a Professor: Louis René Beres was educated at Princeton (Ph.D., 1971) and is author of many books and articles dealing with literature, philosophy, international relations, and international law. He was born in Zürich, Switzerland on August 31, 1945.

I would agree with about everything he said, but most of it was redundant and he missed or is unaware that the true malady of not just America, but the free world, is the absence of a philosophy of life that provides a moral purpose and direction for ones' efforts.

Of course you know where I would go for the next step, so I shall not, but you are well qualified to provide the transition for others if they take the time to read the piece...

thank you again...

regards...

ami

 

[amicus]

By this principle, as long as wages and prices maintain their relative position, we can have one breadwinner and women have a choice to actually be a woman.

We need a resolution from the Nobel committee to declare lunacy to be a form of intellect.

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Why not? Obama got the peace prize, right, for starting two more wars, and before he did anything at all?

amicus

 

[amicus]

You sound like some private schoolboy who has learnt to use his brain a little but has no knowledge of the real world. It's all from a textbook of abstract theories, but has no relationship to life as it actually is.

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Oh, my God, you just called me an intellectual! The cruelest cut of all!

sighs...I shall sulk in a corner.



amicus

 

[Sean]

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Oh, my God, you just called me an intellectual! The cruelest cut of all!

sighs...I shall sulk in a corner.



amicus

No-one would call you an intellectual, Mr Solipsist.

 

[RjThoughts]

Ya needs the BIG picture, kiddo, lower wages, lower prices, one breadwinner, woman has choice to actually be a woman.

There, that was not so hard, huh?



ami

Are you serious? NO effin way woukd that happen, except in Middle Earth or Potter World.