Minimum Wage & Union Wages: You Pay for them...

[RjThoughts]

but you are unable to see the whole picture. you live in a little narrow box. times are different. back in the days you were making reference to, your competitor was Bob next door. today, your competitor is Bob from China

the sorry truth when it comes to business is that the union leadership/democrats are 40 years behind the times.

Its like this: people like you/obama/afl-cio are are the USPS, you nut jobbers are going on a sales call to Amazon HQ. Your sales pitch is how the USPS can handle/process all perform all the shipping for all the ebooks on the Kindle

Smh

Right out of the anti-history Neo Fox bullshit playbook. Eliminate minimum wages will directly lead to lower priced goods. Sorry, but record profits will be even greater, silly, because companies WON'T lower prices.

 

[bill-pix-trade]

Part of the 'Emergency' Legislation that Obama signed to keep the subsidies going for the FAA, also included a Union 'rider' bill, to sweeten Union coffers and cost the general public more money.

Minimum wages create unemployment and increase the cost of everything you buy on a daily basis from supermarket products to fast foods. Union wages and benefits destroy jobs and increase the cost of living while benefitting only a small segment of society, namely, Union workers.

Unions were also fundamental in forcing companies to outsource labor by refusing to modernize. Public Unions should be outlawed altogether and private Unions severely limited in collective bargaining and the minimum wage should be abolished forever.

The 'usual suspects' will demand facts and figures and documentations. Nope, you actually have to think this one through and understand the concept.

Amicus Veritas

I am not a big union fan, but they did serve a purpose. With out the union movement after the turn of the century and into the 30s and 40s we would not have the benefits we have today. That being said they have taken things to far, and the teacher's union is detrimental to this country and has hurt education for decades.

That being said, how the fuck does one explain the current trend of outsourcing white collar jobs. These people do not have unions. The fact is that in China people work for very little, and even that is changing.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Part of the 'Emergency' Legislation that Obama signed to keep the subsidies going for the FAA, also included a Union 'rider' bill, to sweeten Union coffers and cost the general public more money.

Minimum wages create unemployment and increase the cost of everything you buy on a daily basis from supermarket products to fast foods. Union wages and benefits destroy jobs and increase the cost of living while benefitting only a small segment of society, namely, Union workers.

Unions were also fundamental in forcing companies to outsource labor by refusing to modernize. Public Unions should be outlawed altogether and private Unions severely limited in collective bargaining and the minimum wage should be abolished forever.

The 'usual suspects' will demand facts and figures and documentations. Nope, you actually have to think this one through and understand the concept.

Amicus Veritas

I’m far more concerned about my tax dollars being used to subsidize oil companies, who then take my tax dollars to pay lobbyists to continue to lobby for subsidies and deregulation against my interests as a middle class tax payer.

Btw, I’ve always been curious why you chose the images of pretty young females for your avatar.

 

[garbage can]

The federal minimum wage is $7.25 but apparently that's too much. I wonder just what the proper minimum wage should be.

If you assume no gov't giveaways, then the proper minimum wage is whatever a person is willing to work for.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Smh

Right out of the anti-history Neo Fox bullshit playbook. Eliminate minimum wages will directly lead to lower priced goods. Sorry, but record profits will be even greater, silly, because companies WON'T lower prices.

did I say eliminate the min wage? no

now, here is a great idea. people must earn what he or she is worth. not this fantasy of the "union" where the union sets the price of what people should earn. let the MARKET set the price

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Smh

Right out of the anti-history Neo Fox bullshit playbook. Eliminate minimum wages will directly lead to lower priced goods. Sorry, but record profits will be even greater, silly, because companies WON'T lower prices.

but the truth is, you are one of those fools. you want to have the USPS handle all the shipping for the kindle. newsflash, don't need the USPS

wake up, get a job. funny how your only option is to work for "family". why is that? not able to find a company that would hire you so you had to rely on family?

 

[RjThoughts]

did I say eliminate the min wage? no

now, here is a great idea. people must earn what he or she is worth. not this fantasy of the "union" where the union sets the price of what people should earn. let the MARKET set the price

And the market will NOT have "livable" wages. Lower wages means MORE profit.

 

[RightField]

It's an interesting question.

If minimum wage was eliminated, many more low paying entry level jobs would be created and it would give many more people the chance to earn valuable experience and knowledge to make them more valuable later.

The question is whether or not it would reduce levels of pay with people with more experience or not...based on the premise that experience and expertise are worth the pay that the person is receiving. I wonder. My guess is that there'd be a little downward pressure on the lower skilled jobs...but not much as you move up (not on teacher's for example, where there's minmum educational standards).

Independently and as a theoretical exercise (because I just stated above that I'm not sure that costs would actually go down much)...as for the questions about costs and the prices of goods...if suddenly the costs for an industry were reduced, would the prices be reduced also? If costs go down suddenly (taxes reduced or labor costs or raw materials as examples) then all the firms that compete in that segment would try to hold onto the prices they were charging...but sooner or later, one of them would sacrifice margin for greater volume (market share). They'd say, instead of selling 100,000 units for $10 each, if I had a sale and changed the price to $8 each, I might sell 150,000 units and I'd make less on each unit sold, but by selling 50,000 more, I'd make more money in the end. They'd probably start out with a "sale" and see if it did the trick. Of course, one of the other providers of that thing would say "Look, Joe is having a sale, I'd better have one too"...and they'd go into a competitive period until the market reacquired "equilibrium" at a price that better reflects the value of the good and the costs that went into it....so...the answer is....yes, the prices would come down.

 

[amicus]

Btw, I’ve always been curious why you chose the images of pretty young females for your avatar.

~~~

Maybe because I have always been attracted to young, pretty females?

More likely, now that I think about it, is my lifelong entrancement with the true feminine mystique. Females are the most curious of all critters, they can be sweet, cuddly, soft and smooth, compassionate and caring and like flipping a switch, be the exact opposite in a New York second.

They are irrational, illogical and irrascible....and..."why can't a woman, be more like me?"

smiles

Amicus the hopeless Philogynist

 

[RjThoughts]

but the truth is, you are one of those fools. you want to have the USPS handle all the shipping for the kindle. newsflash, don't need the USPS

wake up, get a job. funny how your only option is to work for "family". why is that? not able to find a company that would hire you so you had to rely on family?

Yup! I was a stay-at-dad for 15 years. She had the business, I have the skills to program.

Do you know how much I make an hour? MORE than you do! Market-set consultant prices are well in excess of $100/hour, of which I receive a majority. See what education gets you: a well-paying job.

Go back to school. Nerds are well paid!

 

[NeverEndingMe]

And the market will NOT have "livable" wages. Lower wages means MORE profit.

not true, look at Google. look at how many people became very wealthy from the tech sector.

Jen talked about how the union fucked over companies like Huffy (bikes) and Arrow (shirts).

union's don't care about the company, as the union keeps stabbing the dead cow

 

[NeverEndingMe]

And the market will NOT have "livable" wages. Lower wages means MORE profit.

so do you admit that my story is true. that you are the USPS trying to handle the Ebooks?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Rule #1 - those who HAVE to talk about money; have no money

Yup! I was a stay-at-dad for 15 years. She had the business, I have the skills to program.

Do you know how much I make an hour? MORE than you do! Market-set consultant prices are well in excess of $100/hour, of which I receive a majority. See what education gets you: a well-paying job.

Go back to school. Nerds are well paid!

 

[bronzeage]

Smh

Right out of the anti-history Neo Fox bullshit playbook. Eliminate minimum wages will directly lead to lower priced goods. Sorry, but record profits will be even greater, silly, because companies WON'T lower prices.

Jenn is not a neo-con. That requires too much thinking. She is just a parrot.

 

[eyer]

Minimum wage x 40 hours / week x 50 weeks / year = $14,500.00

According to The Global Rich List, those making $52,000/yr and above are among the top 1% of all moneymakers in the world...

...if you make half that - $26,000/yr - you're still in the top 10%.

$14,500/ye puts you in the top 13%...

...and it still ain't good enough.

"DID YOU KNOW..?

Three billion people live on less than $2 per day while 1.3 billion get by on less than $1 per day. Seventy percent of those living on less than $1 per day are women."

Enter how much you make a year in the box provided and discover just how rich you truly are compared to almost everyone else on the planet...

http://globalrichlist.com/

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I am not a big union fan, but they did serve a purpose. With out the union movement after the turn of the century and into the 30s and 40s we would not have the benefits we have today. That being said they have taken things to far, and the teacher's union is detrimental to this country and has hurt education for decades.

That being said, how the fuck does one explain the current trend of outsourcing white collar jobs. These people do not have unions. The fact is that in China people work for very little, and even that is changing.

I'm honestly asking, what has the teacher's union done to hurt education?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I'm honestly asking, what has the teacher's union done to hurt education?

our education system is in the crapper. thank you each year we pump more money into that black hole and the results get shitter

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

our education system is in the crapper. thank you each year we pump more money into that black hole and the results get shitter

Cite?

 

[Sean Renaud]

By what standard is our education system in the crapper?

 

[Holly Delight]

By what standard is our education system in the crapper?

The joke of "No Child Left Behind" for one. Get rid of that and real education can happen.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The joke of "No Child Left Behind" for one. Get rid of that and real education can happen.

That's not a measure. What is it not accomplishing and what are you measuring it by?

 

[Holly Delight]

That's not a measure. What is it not accomplishing and what are you measuring it by?

I googled and this example popped up:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/officials-...d-standards-declined-this-year-126718398.html

The government seems to think it measures something via the program testing. Teachers (probably union) teach to the standard as required. Children are not really learning and teachers are not really teaching. All of it is a joke at taxpayer expense.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I googled and this example popped up:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/officials-...d-standards-declined-this-year-126718398.html

The government seems to think it measures something via the program testing. Teachers (probably union) teach to the standard as required. Children are not really learning and teachers are not really teaching. All of it is a joke at taxpayer expense.

Not according to the article you posted. Under NCLB 99% of the students at a school could be proficient at math & language skills and the school could still receive a failing grade.

 

[badbabysitter]

They are irrational, illogical and irrascible....and..."why can't a woman, be more like me?"
:

probably because they respect themselves too much for that

 

[Saint Peter]

It's an interesting question.

If minimum wage was eliminated, many more low paying entry level jobs would be created and it would give many more people the chance to earn valuable experience and knowledge to make them more valuable later.

Like, for example, how to make change! How to clean toilets!

How about encouraging unions to teach their membership through apprenticeship. You know, the way craftsmen have been trained for thousands of years. Real skills that will help America get out of this hole.