McVey Death Watch?

[Sparky Kronkite]

As much as I am pro-death penalty.

And as much as Timmy boy underscores my belief in the need of a death penalty....

I think that the public/press/political - ever increasing "cycle of fasination" with his death - his death watch.....

Is a barrometer, an indicator of "just how fucking sick the majority of us have become."

Yer right - fuck Timothy McVey and fuck him dead!!!!

But I don't need to see it on TV.

And I know that motel/hotel rooms were gone months ago. The networks have rented unrented office and warehouse space all over town. They will "light the prison" - for effect. They will build sets/stages just outside the gates.

And yes they will sell - hot days, pop-corn and memorabilia - right there at the prison.

I'll bet some folks have parties - death parties.

Sick shit man - sick shit.

 

[insideShiraz]

So I'm Sick...

The Cost of Kids...

Wacco...

all wrapped up

 

[indyweasel]

Since I live about an hour from where the 'McVeigh Fry', as some have labeled it, is going to happen we get it on the news almost every day.

What the latest preperations are

What the city is planning to do with the protesters.

ETC

ETC

ETC

Just fry the bastard and get on with it. Why does it have to turn into some gooddamn soap opera?

One morning they should just walk into his cell, put a gun to his head and fire. Quick, easy, painless and a whole lot less media bullshit.

 

[Weevil]

The Death Penalty is revolting but the notion of an "execution party" is great. Would it be like an Oscar party? Would you come dressed as your favourite executed convict?

 

[Kuddles]

But....

what would the media do with themselves...they thrive on this stuff! They like to mull it over and over and over....dissecting every little nuance and action and rehash every little detail so some lowlife can get exactly how things were done and do a copycat crime.

Things would be so much better if they would just stop talking and just kill the bastard!

 

[indyweasel]

*high 5's DW*

I'm with ya babe..

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

That's right!

Don't give him the satisfaction of "the death he requests." Fuck'im!

Sneak him out a side door so nobody knows - shoot him in the head - take some black&white photos - take his body to the morgue and burn his ass.

Hold a press conference at the very same time the original execution was to be scheduled - and then - dump the ashes on the press - fling'em in the air and say,......

"Done folks. You missed it!"

 

[Merelan]

There's an idea I can deal with.

 

[Blackbich]

The only thing the media does with all this crap is give them the attention they want.

I personally don't want to SEE his dumb ass fry - just do it for god's sake. Oh, let me clarify that; I have no problem with the death penalty I just don't wanna see it. See, oh forget it - you know what I mean.

I agree with you, Sparky - it would serve the media right if they did get ashes dumped on them!

That would be too funny.

He he, still chuckling.

 

[Siren]

Next we will have McFry the musical

 

[KillerMuffin]

There is only one way to stop it. Don't watch it. No ratings = no advertising dollars = no more public executions. That'll happen though, just like our collective fascination with trashy journalism like the Enquirer and People has so utterly disappeared. *snorts in disgust*

Remember when they fried Ted Bundy in Florida? Remember the zoo and the freaks? McVeigh will be joining him in the execution party.

 

[Laurel]

I'll bet some folks have parties - death parties.

Sick shit man - sick shit.

Yep. And they'll all sit around talking about what a mentally ill person McVeigh is, while they celebrate his murder.

 

[nitengale]

I don't suppose Hallmark is whipping up special invitations people can use for these parties???

 

[Mischka]

Yer right - fuck Timothy McVey and fuck him dead!!!!

But I don't need to see it on TV.

You won't have the option of watching it on TV. Attorney General Ashcroft is considering a closed-circuit broadcast to allow the families of the victims watch his execution. Normally, the families can fit in the viewing chamber, but in this case, there are so many affected lives that they have to consider alternatives to accomodate everyone. For some people, they need to witness his death to experience closure.

And the reason this has gotten so much coverage (even above the usual media hype) is that the Waco Bombing was the largest act of terrorism ever on US soil. And the fact that it hit the heartland instead of one of the expected target cities revealed how vulnerable we all are. It was a tragic and sobering event and now we are facing the final chapter.

 

[insideShiraz]

Be still my Beating Heart...

The Fall of the House of Usher

Eye for an Eye

You are now the Cop

 

[Weevil]

The pro death penalty attitude is kind of sad.

But unlike the French, I don't think I have the right to tell you folks how to conduct your justice system.

Lets just hope that your country gets State sanctioned murder better than every other country that has ever tried it.

However knowing the US, I'd say its doubtful. Oh well. Happy frying!

 

[Mischka]

EvilBollWeevil

The US is in a bit of an upheaval over the death penalty at the moment, if that makes you feel any better. Several states have placed a moratorium on death penalties in light of DNA testing disproving several guilty verdicts. The Supreme Court has revisited the issue of disparate and discriminatory convictions several times, and several leaders are very open in their opposition to this form of punishment. I don't expect it to go away anytime soon (our Constitution does actually say that a person may be deprived of life after proper due process), but I believe it is changing. I do not believe anyone still asserts that the death penalty is a deterrent, but rather that it is the ultimate punishment for taking another's life. Some say that when a murderer takes the life of another, he forfeits his own.

I realize how difficult it is for the rest of the world to understand Americans sometimes, but all I can say in our defense is that the US has grown up hard and fast, and violence is imbedded in our society. That's not an apology, just an observation. Our Constitution permits citizens to carry guns, and with that right comes the heavy price tag of increased violence. The death penalty is part of this mind-set.

 

[Weevil]

Re: EvilBollWeevil

our Constitution does actually say that a person may be deprived of life after proper due process. Some say that when a murderer takes the life of another, he forfeits his own.

I realize how difficult it is for the rest of the world to understand Americans sometimes, but all I can say in our defense is that the US has grown up hard and fast, and violence is imbedded in our society. That's not an apology, just an observation. Our Constitution permits citizens to carry guns, and with that right comes the heavy price tag of increased violence. The death penalty is part of this mind-set.

Well I may be mistaken but I believe that your constitution also has a little bit about what would be an appropriate head-tax on slaves coming into the country. Just because its in a 200+ year document doesn't give it any more weight.

Some people may indeed say that when a murderer takes the life of another he forfeits his right to life. However, some people say that the colonization of North America was a just thing or that Hitler was a fundamentally sound leader who just got carried away. Just because some folk think that the State killing people arbitrarily due to crimes they commited is a good thing doesn't add weight either.

I realize that the US isn't united as one on this issue but the supporters of the death penalty scare the hell out of me. Its a bad thing and Canada in its 134 years has picked up on that. The grace period the US had is over.

 

[Mischka]

Re: Re: EvilBollWeevil

Well I may be mistaken but I believe that your constitution also has a little bit about what would be an appropriate head-tax on slaves coming into the country. Just because its in a 200+ year document doesn't give it any more weight.

Hey, slow down there. There was a provision on how to count slaves for the population census and apportioning representatives, but that was deleted when slavery was abolished. So it's not part of the current Constitution.

And being in a 200+ year old document (and the foundation for our system of government) does in fact give a provision more weight. The US government is specifically set-up to react slowly to changing times, and all laws are measured against the principles set up in this document. No country revamps its laws every year, and relatively speaking, the US's Constitution is quite new on the scene.

I just read in the another thread that the US government is one topic you take seriously. I do not dispute your viewpoint, and I do not necessarily disagree. I just wanted to point out why the death penalty is still around in my country.

 

[Weevil]

Actually I was pretty much joking throughout that post too. I don't actually think Motorhead is the greatest band ever and ,while I may get kicked out of Canada for saying this, I don't really love poutine.

I know you are doing your best to explain this odd part of your legal system but you have to realize that to a lot of non-americans its as if a industrialized nation still didn't allow Women to vote or had no child labor laws. An odd throwback that has absolutely no place in a modern, civilized society.

Also, I still don't think that because something is old and ingrained into a system it has any more legitimacy. If that were the case the world over, Human sacrifice would still be a viable weekend activity.

 

[Mischka]

If that were the case the world over, Human sacrifice would still be a viable weekend activity.

I wasn't aware that human sacrifices were limited to weekends. Seemed more of a spur-of-the-moment, appease-the-gods kinda thing. Huh, learn something new every day.

 

[Weevil]

Oh yeah. It was a big weekend activity. Kind of a kicking, back, TGIF and sacrifice a couple virgins thing. Then it was back to the hut for some rest before going back to the plow next monday.

 

[Flagg]

I heard on the radio this morning that an internet company is hoping to get the rights to broadcast the execution live on the internet. Any interested viewers will have to provide credit card details and pay an unknown sum.

In my country, we used to gather in town squares and watch thieves and murderers be hung, drawn and quartered. After a while though, we decided that this really wasn't very civilised and kept executions private. Then we decided that actually taking the life of another was quite wrong and again rather uncivilised so we banned the death penalty.

If we were to presume that this were a pretty standard sequence of events leading to a more liberal and fairer society, it would appear that the US is currently 100 years behind.

How about we equate progress with increasing humanism as opposed to a means of broadcasting barbaric acts all over the world.

By the way, do the executioners use some kind of divine loophole to get to the pearly gates?

 

[Expertise]

I heard on the radio this morning that an internet company is hoping to get the rights to broadcast the execution live on the internet. Any interested viewers will have to provide credit card details and pay an unknown sum.

In my country, we used to gather in town squares and watch thieves and murderers be hung, drawn and quartered. After a while though, we decided that this really wasn't very civilised and kept executions private. Then we decided that actually taking the life of another was quite wrong and again rather uncivilised so we banned the death penalty.

If we were to presume that this were a pretty standard sequence of events leading to a more liberal and fairer society, it would appear that the US is currently 100 years behind.

How about we equate progress with increasing humanism as opposed to a means of broadcasting barbaric acts all over the world.

By the way, do the executioners use some kind of divine loophole to get to the pearly gates?

So i'm guessing you'll be voting NO on the plebiscite to bring back public stonings?

Sad really.

 

[lazarus UK]

With respect to my fellow countryman Flagg

The method of execution is lethal injection I believe; at least our public executions in the UK had some sense of theatre, with tasteful souvenirs - dancing dollies at hangings ... Those were the days ... (sigh)

However, this idea does seem a tad tasteless even so. I appreciate the commercial opportunity, but I do have one slight worry about the potential audience.

This is not the individual demonstrating responsibility for the acts of the state of which he is a citizen, this is pay-per-view. The number of people injured directly or indirectly by McVeigh's actions is too small to guarantee a profit and frankly the average citizen doesn't see his responsibilities like that, so ghouls and fans are the likely viewers.

The ghouls are likely to be disappointed - it's going to be a little boring. But the fans?

Ever seen "Angels with Dirty Faces"?

Do you think McVeigh will crack in front of the cameras?

Stand aside James Cagney, someone wants to turn Timothy McVeigh into a martyr and this is certainly the way to do it.

Waco was a media event too ...

So much for press freedom. Sick isn't it?