Masturbation in the U of K

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Female self love is the thing to watch this fall in British media, it seems. Both on the telly, and the big screen.

Carol Sarler, whoever that is, is apparently not amused.

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An orgasm coach on TV and a film about sex toys - if that's progress I'm Queen Victoria
by CAROL SARLER
Last updated at 11:25am on 21st September 2006


Channel 4, scraping the bottom of its favourite barrel in an effort to titillate its jaded viewers, has come up with a wheeze that makes the rest of reality television look like high culture.

It is preparing to screen a programme called Masturbation For Girls that features — I kid you not — an 'orgasm coach' who teaches three ladies all her tricks, which they will demonstrate, live, to camera.

Should you seek to escape for a night out at the pictures instead, you may find you fare little better. The eagerly anticipated high point of the up-coming London Film Festival is Shortbus, a movie that has astounded many by getting a standard 18 certificate in the first place, and which has as its central character a female sex therapist who is in pursuit of achieving climax for herself.

Perhaps she has never heard of the Rampant Rabbit — although if she hasn't, she soon will; this shocking-pink plastic contraption is also to make its film debut this week.

For the uninitiated, the RR is a vibrator that lays claim to being 'the world's favourite sex toy' following a starring role in TV's Sex And The City.

And now we have Rabbit Fever, a film which is devoted entirely to the dubious appeal of the wretched rabbit, and which is being advertised heavily with the tagline 'Can you feel the buzz?'

Bizarrely, its (first time) writer and director have somehow persuaded our good and great to take cameo parts, among them Emily Mortimer, Germaine Greer and Stefanie Powers.

Their collective effort might well prove to be — as Mail film critic Chris Tookey informs me — one of the worst films of all time; nevertheless, it conspires with C4 and Shortbus to place female masturbation as quite the fancy of the moment.

There is, of course, nothing new about the activity — nor would anybody suggest it to be unhealthy, either. Whispers of ruination, infertility and going blind went out (at least one has to hope) with the Dark Ages.

What is new, unhealthy and, I would argue, retrograde is for it to be made this public, dished up for the entertainment of the mass market with a defiance which proclaims that to do so is, in some way, a mark of women's progress and of liberation, when in fact it's nothing of the kind. It's just cheap.

Mark Twain famously dismissed the act as an overrated pastime: 'As an amusement it is too fleeting. As an occupation it is too wearing.

And it is unsuited to the drawing room.' Note, please, the last point.

THE unforgettable scene where Meg Ryan faked an orgasm in When Harry Met Sally was funny precisely because of the incongruity of its public location; had she been in the privacy of a bedroom, it would have been just another sex scene in just another film. In a café filled with ogling strangers, it became hilarious by dint of its toe-curling embarrassment.

No such bashfulness for the ladies lining up to appear in the Rampant Rabbit film or to strut their intimate stuff for a million strangers tuned to Channel 4. (One wonders whether they would have been quite so enthusiastic about taking part in a film devoted entirely to blow-up dolls, or other such demeaning male sex 'toys'? I rather doubt it.)

There is an excuse, mind. There always is. Sometimes it is justified as being in the interests of science or education. Or failing that, there is that great old standby of describing prurient tosh as 'art' that challenges 'bourgeois sensibilities'.

Whichever the excuse, it just doesn't wash. Because however high-minded your justification for exposing your private parts to public scrutiny, you still wouldn't be doing it unless either you enjoyed it or you were paid for it.

So call it anything you like, but that makes the women complicit in

these latest offerings at heart no different from either exhibitionists or porn stars. Or both.

And if they thought for a moment that their antics make them liberated women — the product and achievement of the years during which many of us fought for newer, brighter freedoms — then, my deluded little darlings, you can take it from me: it doesn't.

What women fought for was to become the equals of men, not to become exactly like them — which is just what this current vogue appears to invite them to try to be.

Take, for instance, the sales pitch for our friend the Rampant Rabbit: it promises, much in the manner of a Boys' Own guide to sports cars, 'zero-to-orgasm in 60 seconds'. Perfectly suited to the sexuality of Neanderthal men, perhaps, but not — surely not? — the sexuality of most women.

Male and female sexuality are inherently different, for all sorts of biological and sociological reasons.

Boasting, showing-off and notches on the bedpost have always been the province of the male, and in particular a certain type of oaf who will go to great lengths to lie about bedding wenches while dismissing as trollops any wench whose promiscuity is rumoured to match his own.

This may well, I grant you, be an inequality that deserves to be

challenged — but apeing the swaggering male strut is not the way to go about it. The right we seek is not the right to be like men but the right to be like women. And respected for it.

Female sexuality, left to itself, is altogether a more personal, nurturing thing. Few women feel arousal in the abstract; it's not like a hunger or a thirst which they pop out to assuage with whoever is handy.

FEW women seek sex with strangers, and where they do — for example, at swingers' parties or within this ghastly practice they call 'dogging' — it is widely observed that the instigators are usually their male partners.

Which is why this latest rash of explicit offerings on the TV and cinema screen fills me with such a profound sense of disappointment and unease.

For when misguided dollies are persuaded to prove their 'liberation' by letting it all hang out in the most public of arenas, who do we think they are appealing to? Not other women, that's for sure.

No. All they have done is turned themselves into sex objects, there for the salacious pleasure of priapic men, to be exploited and gawped at and belittled by those who get their kicks from peeping at women's naughty bits.

They can call it science, education or art if they like. All they've really done is got their kit off for the dirty mac brigade.

If that's progress, I'm Queen Victoria. And I'm not amused.
 
Perhaps this thread might help to explain why we Brits couldn't understand the US furore about an accidently exposed tit.

Og
 
I'm inlcined to agree with the author.
Though, I'd sure enjoy watching (which supports her point).

Just after ratings.
(it is tough to compete with Literotica)
 
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I'm thinking of a line from one of my stories.

"…suffer from that odd form of prudishness often mistaken for feminism."
 
rgraham666 said:
I'm thinking of a line from one of my stories.

"…suffer from that odd form of prudishness often mistaken for feminism."
but isn't this the reverse?

an odd sort of liberalism mislabeled as Feminism?
or something?

Rgraham666, Do you think the author was "playing" at beng a feminist?
I think her point and my opinion are that the producers are selling a kind of porn ( for men, mostly) under the "label" of feminism.

maybe not, maybe Bristish women still need to be liberated from the stigma of masturabtion?
 
oggbashan said:
Perhaps this thread might help to explain why we Brits couldn't understand the US furore about an accidently exposed tit.

Og
But Carol Sarler is a Brit. (I think) writes for the Observer / London Guardian
 
What do people HERE think?
Is it "liberating" to have shows and movies like these? I know there are STILL lot's of men and women harboring shamful fealings about masturbation. So is this an advancement?

Maybe it WIll be done is an edifying way? AHHAhahHAhahhahahahahahaahaha!
 
I really don't give a shit one way or the other. It's not important enough to care.

I'm not going to watch the TV show and won't see the movie.

Are they 'Liberating'? That's debatable. Entirely a matter of opinion. It might be a good step towards making sexual activity a normal part of our lives as opposed to the furtive, somewhat dirty connotation that's attached to it now.

Although that being furtive and somewhat dirty does add an interesting flavour to sex. ;)
 
I think a program about female masturbation would be a feministic and liberating strike for female sexuality if it had been created in a way that women could actually find it educational and entertaining, like if they had demonstrated different toys by holding them up and explaining how to put in the batteries without breaking the damned battery case, or by having a panel group of women discussing what they think is good and bad about the toys they have tried since last week, or by having a sex therapist giving out advice on techniques or something like that.

But having a group of women training to have an orgasm and then demonstrate it on TV... that's nothing but serving it on a plate for men who want to see women have sex without having to pay for the porn flic!!!
 
Svenskaflicka said:
But having a group of women training to have an orgasm and then demonstrate it on TV... that's nothing but serving it on a plate for men who want to see women have sex without having to pay for the porn flic!!!
I thought that was what the internets were for.
 
Svenskaflicka said:
I think a program about female masturbation would be a feministic and liberating strike for female sexuality if it had been created in a way that women could actually find it educational and entertaining, like if they had demonstrated different toys by holding them up and explaining how to put in the batteries without breaking the damned battery case, or by having a panel group of women discussing what they think is good and bad about the toys they have tried since last week, or by having a sex therapist giving out advice on techniques or something like that.

But having a group of women training to have an orgasm and then demonstrate it on TV... that's nothing but serving it on a plate for men who want to see women have sex without having to pay for the porn flic!!!

Ello you gorgeous horny Swede :rose:

I won't bother to watch this show, funny age, makes me light headed having an erection for too long these days... Just means we're a nation of wankers now, male and female.
 
pop_54 said:
Ello you gorgeous horny Swede :rose:

I won't bother to watch this show, funny age, makes me light headed having an erection for too long these days... Just means we're a nation of wankers now, male and female.

POPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How the devil are you?
Where've you been, you old sailor??
 
Liar said:
Female self love is the thing to watch this fall in British media, it seems. Both on the telly, and the big screen.

Carol Sarler, whoever that is, is apparently not amused.

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Like this is unusual? LOL I WANNA SEE MEN and their toys! Much kinkier. ;)
 
CharleyH said:
Liar said:
Female self love is the thing to watch this fall in British media, it seems. Both on the telly, and the big screen.

Carol Sarler, whoever that is, is apparently not amused.

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Like this is unusual? LOL I WANNA SEE MEN and their toys! Much kinkier. ;)
Yeah when the hell are going to get to see "Flogging the Dolphin" on prome time, eh?
 
I like the way Brits spell "Program" with an extra "m" and a final "e"

I just think that's so adorable! :p


but to be more serious about this programme and this woman's issues-
so many women's issues, evidently, about public sexuality;
I hate the matronising attitude of womyn like this Ms. Sarler.
You don't approve? Fine, abstain.
Do you really have the nerve to disapprove of an aggressive sexuality for a woman? Fuck off. Who are you do decide what is right and wrong, anyway?


"Female sexuality, left to itself, is altogether a more personal, nurturing thing. Few women feel arousal in the abstract; it's not like a hunger or a thirst which they pop out to assuage with whoever is handy."
Don't you adore a know-it-all? If I could so confidently make such an accurate statement about one half the human population of this planet, I could be a messiah or something.
"For when misguided dollies are persuaded to prove their 'liberation' by letting it all hang out in the most public of arenas, who do we think they are appealing to? Not other women, that's for sure."
No, and especially not me! :D
"The right we seek is not the right to be like men but the right to be like women. And respected for it. "
This woman has decided what women should be like, if they wish to be respectable.
She's a prude.
She IS Queen Victoria.
 
Stella_Omega said:
Don't you adore a know-it-all? If I could so confidently make such an accurate statement about one half the human population of this planet, I could be a messiah or something.


No, and especially not me! :D


This woman has decided what women should be like, if they wish to be respectable.
She's a prude.
She IS Queen Victoria.

I agree that she came off as a bit pompous. I still think there was some validity to her beef (heehee "her beef).

I enjoy erotica. I just prefer it to be labeled for what it is. I expect that there might be a few who come to grips with their own sexuality through exposure to this. I also suspect that some will become desensitized and want more and more titalation. (<that would be me)
 
Stella_Omega said:
This woman has decided what women should be like, if they wish to be respectable.
She's a prude.
She IS Queen Victoria.

That is unfair to Queen Victoria. There is evidence that she enjoyed sex. She didn't need to produce all those children. A couple would have been enough to ensure the succession.

Her attitude to lesbians 'Women don't do that' was probably her reluctance to criminalise something that she knew happened. If she could, she would probably have stopped laws against all homosexuality, but her acted embarrassment was enough to prevent women being treated as criminals.

Og
 
oggbashan said:
That is unfair to Queen Victoria. There is evidence that she enjoyed sex. She didn't need to produce all those children. A couple would have been enough to ensure the succession.

Her attitude to lesbians 'Women don't do that' was probably her reluctance to criminalise something that she knew happened. If she could, she would probably have stopped laws against all homosexuality, but her acted embarrassment was enough to prevent women being treated as criminals.

Og
Yes, and she deeply morned her husband's passing.
I stand corrected.

This woman is smaller-minded and less authoritative by far.
I enjoy erotica. I just prefer it to be labeled for what it is. I expect that there might be a few who come to grips with their own sexuality through exposure to this. I also suspect that some will become desensitized and want more and more titalation. (<that would be me)
me too, me too, i agree, - and your fourth sentence- you mean that's a bad thing?
oh, and me too... :p
 
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