masculinity; musings

[boyvenus4u]

A general feeling that what is being outwardly projected is a complete and other sham, once you prod at all beneath the surface. Of course women have seen this all along and have had countless fun at exposing the various myths.

Images of women athletes for some reason crowd the head, vast array of amazons...

As I grow older seem to revel all the more in exposing these myths, live in a sort of constant contradiction...reactionary...sexuality then seen as a form of total rebellion...do the opposite of what is expected of you, almost in spite...

wourldupsidedown as rightwayup, as it were...

Masculine feminine to be replaced by human for a start...

Bury your black leather jacket in the garden, or better still give it to her!

That's all from me today.

Anyone else care to join in?

 

[Shankara20]

Masculine feminine to be replaced by human for a start...

hmmmm - interesting


signed, a human

 

[Ebonyfire]

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. "

Dr. Martin Luther King

I see a lot of disrespect aimed at submissive men, who are some of the the best men I have ever met.

They retain their masculinity in the face of controversy. It is not PC to be a male submissve.

It is a challenging lifestyle choice. And I am a proud owner.

Eb

 

[Aeroil]

Heh, and the fact that male subs have such a weak voice on the boards here doesn't help either.

Fourtunately I'm loud and obnoxious, so I get us plenty of attention

 

[Xelebes]

And I'm only an alien.

 

[Aeroil]

And crop circles don't translate into good arguments, unfourtunately.

 

[Xelebes]

Depends on what you are arguing about.

 

[Aeroil]

Well, if you're trying to argue about how easy it is to flatten crops...

 

[Ebonyfire]

Heh, and the fact that male subs have such a weak voice on the boards here doesn't help either.

Fourtunately I'm loud and obnoxious, so I get us plenty of attention

many subs/slaves have other things they would rather do. my slave doesn't like posting on the computer.

 

[Aeroil]

My friend Xeshire seems to have stopped posting, He's on all the time but he said he didn't really like the community much...

I blame Marquis.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Another quote

Every social trait labelled masculine or feminine is in truth a human trait. It is our human right to develop and contribute our talents whatever our race, sex, religion, ancestry, age. Human rights are indivisible!

Wilma Scott Heide

 

[rosco rathbone]

You should definitely check out the oeuvre of John Stoltenberg, such as his essay Why I Stopped Trying To Be A Real Man . He also has books.

 

[Xelebes]

My friend Xeshire seems to have stopped posting, He's on all the time but he said he didn't really like the community much...

I blame Marquis.

I've never seen him post, so I didn't know he started posting.

 

[boyvenus4u]

Fishnets, ballgames, alien life forms and Beckett!

Hello to you all!

Fishnets are sublime, all covering envelope and airy light contact upon the skin, touching, like Eros, all those forgotten places, love's cul de sacs, like leggy metaphors then for life, all embracing, as they are...

Tutu boys a lovely touch

O Martin Luther, where are you now?

Yesterday I saw a black Venus walking carefully across the cobbled stones of the quad in some university, the tiny heels of her shoes resounded in my ears like the exquisitetly light hammer blows of mountain picks on ice upon the roof top of the world, each blow struck against my early morning conciousness causing it to crack letting the fresh air in waking my sleepy pillowed blanket head, she will move on and I watched her...

As for Beckett, Worstward Ho

unaddable

three times I bow

 

[Aeroil]

So I was in Chicago and I ran into Tony Danza in a corner deli. I told him I loved Who's The Boss and he invited me to join him for lunch. After lunch, we took a stroll down to Shepard park. He had a pocket full of bird seed and we fed the flamingos together.

 

[boyvenus4u]

Ah, the flamingos...

like waves of live pink fire
baboons descend
dragging them
to pure stark empty hell

 

[Betticus]

It seems like the masculinity that you are talking about is the thing of angst ridden, teenaged bravado.

One of the senior engineers at work was coming down the hallway one day with very obvious attitude coming off of him and it raised my heckles a little so as a demonstration of my alpha male status I got right in front of him, kinda hunched over and started to hop a little bit side to side while softly hooting like a king monkey.

It shocked him so much that he completely lost whatever anger he was holding on to. One of the other engineers saw the exchange and came out to ask me what the hell that was after the other guy walked off. I explained to him that there is always one senior, dominant alpha male and that what he had just seen was my alpha monkey hop. It was so damn funny that he and I do the alpha monkey challenge thing whenever we see each other in the hallways. Get some very puzzled looks from everyone but it's a blast.

It lets us all laugh about the ridiculousness of the whole masculine bravado thing. Even though I win every time except that one time I had to pee real bad and just absolutely had to run off to the bathroom.

 

[kiten69]

It seems like the masculinity that you are talking about is the thing of angst ridden, teenaged bravado.

One of the senior engineers at work was coming down the hallway one day with very obvious attitude coming off of him and it raised my heckles a little so as a demonstration of my alpha male status I got right in front of him, kinda hunched over and started to hop a little bit side to side while softly hooting like a king monkey.

It shocked him so much that he completely lost whatever anger he was holding on to. One of the other engineers saw the exchange and came out to ask me what the hell that was after the other guy walked off. I explained to him that there is always one senior, dominant alpha male and that what he had just seen was my alpha monkey hop. It was so damn funny that he and I do the alpha monkey challenge thing whenever we see each other in the hallways. Get some very puzzled looks from everyone but it's a blast.

It lets us all laugh about the ridiculousness of the whole masculine bravado thing. Even though I win every time except that one time I had to pee real bad and just absolutely had to run off to the bathroom.

Quite a mental image

 

[Shankara20]

SOME FEELINGS AVAILABLE TO MEN

AFFECTIONATE COMPASSIONATE FRIENDLY LOVING OPEN-HEARTED SYMPATHETIC TENDER WARM CONFIDENT EMPOWERED OPEN PROUD SAFE SECURE ENGAGED ABSORBED ALERT CURIOUS ENGROSSED ENCHANTED ENTRANCED FASCINATED INTERESTED INTRIGUED INVOLVED SPELLBOUND STIMULATED INSPIRED AMAZED AWED WONDER EXCITED AMAZED ANIMATED ARDENT AROUSED ASTONISHED DAZZLED EAGER ENERGETIC ENTHUSIASTIC GIDDY INVIGORATED LIVELY PASSIONATE SURPRISED VIBRANT EXHILARATED BLISSFUL ECSTATIC ELATED ENTHRALLED EXUBERANT RADIANT RAPTUROUS THRILLED GRATEFUL APPRECIATIVE MOVED THANKFUL TOUCHED HOPEFUL EXPECTANT ENCOURAGED OPTIMISTIC JOYFUL AMUSED DELIGHTED GLAD HAPPY JUBILANT PLEASED TICKLED PEACEFUL CALM CLEAR-HEADED COMFORTABLE CENTERED CONTENT EQUANIMOUS FULFILLED MELLOW QUIET RELAXED RELIEVED SATISFIED SERENE STILL TRANQUIL TRUSTING REFRESHED ENLIVENED REJUVENATED RENEWED RESTED RESTORED REVIVED SURPRISED TROUBLED TURBULENT TURMOIL UNCOMFORTABLE UNEASY UNNERVED UNSETTLED UPSET DISCONNECTED ALIENATED ALOOF APATHETIC BORED COLD DETACHED DISTANT DISTRACTED INDIFFERENT NUMB REMOVED UNINTERESTED WITHDRAWN DISQUIET AGITATED ALARMED DISCOMBOBULATED DISCONCERTED DISTURBED PERTURBED RATTLED RESTLESS SHOCKED STARTLED AFRAID APPREHENSIVE DREAD FOREBODING FRIGHTENED MISTRUSTFUL PANICKED PETRIFIED SCARED SUSPICIOUS TERRIFIED WARY WORRIED ANNOYED AGGRAVATED DISMAYED DISGRUNTLED DISPLEASED PAIN AGONY ANGUISHED BEREAVED DEVASTATED GRIEF HEARTBROKEN HURT LONELY MISERABLE REGRETFUL REMORSEFUL SAD DEPRESSED DEJECTED DESPAIR DESPONDENT DISAPPOINTED DISCOURAGED DISHEARTENED FORLORN GLOOMY HEAVY-HEARTED HOPELESS MELANCHOLY EXASPERATED FRUSTRATED IMPATIENT IRRITATED IRKED ANGRY UNHAPPY WRETCHED TENSE ANXIOUS CRANKY DISTRESSED DISTRAUGHT EDGY FIDGETY FRAZZLED IRRITABLE JITTERY NERVOUS OVERWHELMED RESTLESS STRESSED-OUT VULNERABLE FRAGILE GUARDED HELPLESS INSECURE LEERY RESERVED SENSITIVE SHAKY YEARNING ENVIOUS JEALOUS LONGING NOSTALGIC PINING WISTFUL EMBARRASSED ASHAMED CHAGRINED FLUSTERED GUILTY MORTIFIED SELF-CONSCIOUS FATIGUE BEAT BURNT-OUT DEPLETED EXHAUSTED LETHARGIC LISTLESS SLEEPY TIRED WEARY WORN-OUT ENRAGED FURIOUS INCENSED INDIGNANT IRATE LIVID OUTRAGED RESENTFUL AVERSION ANIMOSITY APPALLED CONTEMPT DISGUSTED DISLIKE HATE HORRIFIED HOSTILE REPULSED CONFUSED AMBIVALENT BAFFLED BEWILDERED DAZED HESITANT LOST MYSTIFIED PERPLEXED PUZZLED TORN…

SOME OF THE NEEDS MEN HAVE

CONNECTION ACCEPTANCE AFFECTION APPRECIATION BELONGING COOPERATION COMMUNICATION CLOSENESS COMMUNITY COMPANIONSHIP COMPASSION CONSIDERATION CONSISTENCY EMPATHY INCLUSION INTIMACY LOVE MUTUALITY NURTURING RESPECT SELF-RESPECT SAFETY SECURITY STABILITY SUPPORT TO-KNOW TO-BE-KNOWN TO-SEE TO-BE-SEEN TO-UNDERSTAND TO-BE-UNDERSTOOD TRUST WARMTH HONESTY AUTHENTICITY INTEGRITY PRESENCE PAY JOY HUMOR PEACE BEAUTY COMMUNION EASE EQUALITY HARMONY INSPIRATION ORDER PHYSICAL-WELL-BEING AIR FOOD MOVEMENT EXERCISE REST SLEEP SEXUAL-EXPRESSION SAFETY SHELTER TOUCH WATER MEANING AWARENESS CELEBRATION-OF-LIFE CHALLENGE CLARITY COMPETENCE CONSCIOUSNESS CONTRIBUTION CREATIVITY DISCOVERY EFFICACY EFFECTIVENESS GROWTH HOPE LEARNING MOURNING PARTICIPATION PURPOSE SELF-EXPRESSION STIMULATION TO-MATTER UNDERSTANDING AUTONOMY CHOICE FREEDOM INDEPENDENCE SPACE SPONTANEITY

COME TO THINK OF IT –
ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE HAVE THESE SAME FEELINGS & NEEDS

NEEDS and FEELINGS LIST COURTESY; Center for Nonviolent Communication www.cnvc.org

 

[boyvenus4u]

Snowball...Laugh Out Loud!

Let us keep this going, this is great. Loved the ape, amazed by list...Now looking round...Whatever next?

 

[bronntanas]

Heh, and the fact that male subs have such a weak voice on the boards here doesn't help either.

Fourtunately I'm loud and obnoxious, so I get us plenty of attention

We're just outnumbered by those cookie stealing femme subs.

 

[the captians wench]

We're just outnumbered by those cookie stealing femme subs.

cookies?

 

[boyvenus4u]

The sort of thing I mean....

I remember coming home after my divorce. Not straight away, mind. Had to visit the elephant's graveyard first..

My father and I went for a beer. It was a weekday. The bar was pretty quiet.
We sat down together and drank in silence before my father eventually asked me what the irreconcilable problem was.

I remember thinking at the time that this was no time to bullshit him, myself or anyone. Tabula rasa/cleanslate, as it were.

And that is when I spoke to him for the first time in my life about sexuality.

Question for guys; have you ever spoken to your father about who you really are, what you're about? Get back to me about that if you like.

Anyway, there we were in some strictly 'vanilla' type cafe eulogising about crossdressing, bondage and generally all kinds of kinky deviancies in general.

We had quite a night. I remember some of the men standing at the counter looking at us with some weird sort of admiration. It was a good night, by all accounts. Ever since I have had a pretty wonderful relationship with the old man. Why? Because we're honest now, there's no shit. And if there is I/ or he blows it away in one quick swoop.

Pretending. Sham etc...the stuff of nightmare, and it's all pervasive.

That's why it's great to have a buddy who also knows all your crazy shit. Cos he' s got his too. Tolerance, respect, a lot of humour leads to a common understanding of what it really means to be a man.

The jews say mench, I believe. Which translates roughly as 'human'.

That's it. Sermons over.

You can all go back to wacking off in your rubber waders, or whatever it is the fuck you do.

-all is good, good is all-

 

[Ebonyfire]

I remember coming home after my divorce. Not straight away, mind. Had to visit the elephant's graveyard first..

My father and I went for a beer. It was a weekday. The bar was pretty quiet.
We sat down together and drank in silence before my father eventually asked me what the irreconcilable problem was.

I remember thinking at the time that this was no time to bullshit him, myself or anyone. Tabula rasa/cleanslate, as it were.

And that is when I spoke to him for the first time in my life about sexuality.

Question for guys; have you ever spoken to your father about who you really are, what you're about? Get back to me about that if you like.

Anyway, there we were in some strictly 'vanilla' type cafe eulogising about crossdressing, bondage and generally all kinds of kinky deviancies in general.

We had quite a night. I remember some of the men standing at the counter looking at us with some weird sort of admiration. It was a good night, by all accounts. Ever since I have had a pretty wonderful relationship with the old man. Why? Because we're honest now, there's no shit. And if there is I/ or he blows it away in one quick swoop.

Pretending. Sham etc...the stuff of nightmare, and it's all pervasive.

That's why it's great to have a buddy who also knows all your crazy shit. Cos he' s got his too. Tolerance, respect, a lot of humour leads to a common understanding of what it really means to be a man.

The jews say mench, I believe. Which translates roughly as 'human'.

That's it. Sermons over.

You can all go back to wacking off in your rubber waders, or whatever it is the fuck you do.

-all is good, good is all-

How very lucky you are that you could sit with your Dad and finally get to know each other. Many men never do. That's awesome.

Eb

 

[boyvenus4u]

Gotta show your panties to your Dad...

'You just gotta show your panties to your Dad,
Boy, you just gotta show your panties to your Dad.'

Ebony (Boy laughs) this song seemed to just come into my head after I read your post.

Try to imagine Leonard Cohen and possibly Bob Dylan singing it! Something similar to that track they did together on Death of a ladie's Man produced by Phil Spector Don't Go Home With Your Hard On...You know the one?

Well, in that vein, no?

(With Nasal Whine) 'Boy, you gotta show your panties to your Dad
Boy, you just gotta show your panties to you Dad
Boy, sometime you know, you just gotta
Show your panties to your Dad.

It could be the chorus. Ok, so which of you geniuses out there can give me the first verse? Huh? Come on, don't be shy? ( HEHEHEHE!)