Marilyn Manson

And to hold a light to people like him. If you hide your abuse it's because you're ashamed of it because of your own weakness. Dribble should know - 8 yr old kids don't have the agency to stop abuse but I bet it was years before he dealt with it.

What a cunty thing to say. Aside from being bollocks, that's some incredibly cruel victim shaming there.

Hang on - I think I might not have explained myself. I'm sorry that I confused. Let me unpack that sentence.

What I'm saying is ( admittedly in a rush and badly this morning ) is that people who are abused are often ashamed. They are frightened to speak out and they blame themselves ( wrongly ) for not being strong enough to speak out or speak out earlier. I've heard this from the lips of abuse survivors "Maybe I should have spoken up sooner?" "I shouldn't have let this carry on" etc. Yes it's BS - their job is to survive: how they judge themselves is wrong, but understandable.

I think survivors often carry a lot of guilt - like the survivors of plane crashes or fires who keep asking 'Why did I survive?'

Then there are victims who never speak out - we can only speculate about what they carry inside.

I've been thinking about what Dribble said on and off this morning. I was annoyed but sympathetic too - does that mean frustrated? that Dribble criticised the victim, then went on to list his abuse. Annoyed because no one should play the abuse-comparison game.

When I see someone like Dribble lashing out, it makes me wonder if that bitterness is because he has never resolved those feelings. I don't mean to patronise him - I mean it sincerely. In the Manson case, what Rachel has done is to give those silent abuse victims 'a voice' and maybe make them realise that they can speak out - that their abuse is "worthy" somehow. The other side to it, Dribble, is that it gives abusers less places to hide.

On my YouTube feed atm is a trailer for a documentary about Jimmy Saville, a serial sexual, pedophile. They feature short sound bites of him speaking and I jump every time I hear his voice. I was never involved, but I've read the history and seen how complicit the BBC and other authorities were in hiding crimes that were in plain view. The problem was the man was so famous for charitable fund raising that no one doubted him.

Again I'm sorry for being obscure in how I phrased that post. My bad. I hope this explains better, but there are still aspects of abuse I'm still trying to get my head around, particularly for survivors. I will try to avoid writing stuff in a hurry again.
 
There is shame associated with it. Victim shaming has contributed to an abused person remaining tight lipped about the whole thing. It's worse when the abuser is someone famous or powerful because the victim worries they won't be believed.
Weakness? No. The abuser is the one with the weakness. They don't have the strength of character to keep their fists to themselves. Unfortunately, this is often a learned behaviour.

Not just that, there's practicalities. When conviction is so rare, there's little benefit to speaking out. It can ruin your career, lead to death threats and ostracism, create bullying situations for her kids, and ruin a woman's life beyond the original trauma. And other people's behaviour and words can seriously hinder the healing process, even when they think they're helping.

We don't live in some fluffy lala land where bad guys go to prison and victims get cared for.
 
Again I'm sorry for being obscure in how I phrased that post. My bad. I hope this explains better, but there are still aspects of abuse I'm still trying to get my head around, particularly for survivors. I will try to avoid writing stuff in a hurry again.

Thank fuck for that. Until then I'd always thought you were cool, and I'm glad I wasn't horribly mistaken. :rose:
 
Dita Von Teese: “Please know that details made public do not match my personal experience during our 7 years as a couple,” the performer explained. “Had they, I would not have married him in December 2005.”


His ex-girlfriend Rose McGowan has also spoken out about the abuse allegations against him, saying “When he was with me, he was not like that,”
 
Mr. Manson told Spin magazine in 2009 that he had called Ms. Wood 158 times one day after a breakup. “I have fantasies every day about smashing her skull in with a sledgehammer,” he said.

His representatives said last year, in response to questions by Metal Hammer, a music magazine, that Mr. Manson’s comment in Spin was “obviously a theatrical rock star interview promoting a new record.”

Charming.
 
Dita Von Teese: “Please know that details made public do not match my personal experience during our 7 years as a couple,” the performer explained. “Had they, I would not have married him in December 2005.”


His ex-girlfriend Rose McGowan has also spoken out about the abuse allegations against him, saying “When he was with me, he was not like that,”

Well since Mr Smith didn't rob all of the banks he was ever in then he couldn't have possibly robbed this bank!
 
Dita Von Teese: “Please know that details made public do not match my personal experience during our 7 years as a couple,” the performer explained. “Had they, I would not have married him in December 2005.”


His ex-girlfriend Rose McGowan has also spoken out about the abuse allegations against him, saying “When he was with me, he was not like that,”

Hahaha way to cherry pick the quote.You're ridiculous. Here's the full quote from Rose McGowan:

"I am profoundly sad today and disgusted. But I am mostly proud. Proud of Evan Rachel Wood and the other who have come forward against Marilyn Manson my ex. When he was with me, he was not like that, but that has no bearing on whether he was like that with others before and after."
 
I watched him fall off the stage and breaking his leg at the LA Forum. Rose and Billy Corgan were on the side of the stage and rushed to his broken body. Hole opened up and Courtney wasn't wearing any drawers. Good times!
 
Limp Bizkit’s Wes Borland On Marilyn Manson’s Abuse Allegations: “Every Single Thing That People Have Said About Him Is F*cking True”

“Marilyn Manson… I was in the band for nine months. He’s not a great guy. And every single thing that people have said about him is fucking true. So relax about the allegations towards the women… Like when people [say bad things about] these women that are coming after him right now… Fuck off. They are speaking the truth. And I’m sorry to everyone on this podcast right now who doesn’t like this, but that guy — he’s amazingly talented, but he’s fucked up and he needs to be put in check and he needs to get sober and he needs to come to terms with his demons. He is a bad fucking guy.”

“I was there when he was with Evan Rachel Wood. I was at his house. It’s not fucking cool. And that’s all I’m gonna say about it. So if anyone is coming after these girls and going, like, ‘You blah blah blah, this and that,’ fuck you. That’s all I’m gonna say.”

“Sorry to take this to a dark place, but that guy is canceled. Goodbye. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.”

Nine Inch Nails’ Trent Reznor Speaks Out On Marilyn Manson: “I Have Been Vocal Over The Years About My Dislike Of Manson As A Person”

“I have been vocal over the years about my dislike of Manson as a person and cut ties with him nearly 25 years ago. As I said at the time, the passage from Manson’s memoir is a complete fabrication. I was infuriated and offended back when it came out and remain so today.”
 
A lot of Lit people don't seem to know who Evan Rachel Wood is, and it's coloring this conversation. (Full disclosure: I'm in her camp.)
 
Things were pretty noisy at Marilyn's house last night.

The reports talk about a wellness check, but there was someone in the house fighting with him, and MM was yelling Get Out Get Out Get Out loud enough the neighbors could hear.

I guess the ERW nonsense being in the news probably messed things up with his current girl.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/212987881/zay_4.jpg

Anyway, I hope he's okay.
 
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Here's a former bad member coming forward to speak out in support of Rachel.... like why the fuck didn't they do it before? Real question. Answer = when you see a person who you know is in an abusive relationship, but has not yet left it, by speaking out do you endanger the victim?

https://youtu.be/PvNTo15ptUA

I've tried before to speak to someone I knew was in that situation and she got really defensive of her abuser. All you can do is remind them they have friends or that there are places they can go to escape. It reminds me of drug users
 
Happens all the time...long after you break up with someone, friends, relative and acquaintances will say "I never liked him/her...nasty person, I thought they were abusive towards you"...etc etc.

If they REALLY thought it...they would have spoken up at the time.

Cancel Culture is just unhappy people hating on people because they can.
 
Why don't you just open up about what you felt were the false allegations made against you? It might be therapeutic, and you're clearly, decades later, still struggling to move on. :rose:
 
Maybe if you're lucky he'll commit suicide...two threads!

Why don't you just open up about what you felt were the false allegations made against you? It might be therapeutic, and you're clearly, decades later, still struggling to move on. :rose:

Ha! No such luck, sorry.

You're like a reformed smoker, very quick to beat up on the kinky rocker.
 
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Not to blame her because no one should have to put up with abuse but what did she think going into a relationship at 19 with a man that was almost 40? Did she really think it was going to be normal or maybe that was her thing.

It's not too surprising that a character like MM would end up being abusive and violent. It is more surprising that it took this long for someone to come forward about it whether female or male.
 
Maybe if you're lucky he'll commit suicide...two threads!

Ha! No such luck, sorry.

You're like a reformed smoker, very quick to beat up on the kinky rocker.

You're like a Batman bad guy, presenting a pastiche of neuroses as though they were a big act. But they're not are they? Riddler? Penguin? Joker? Which is the real you, huh?
 
Ha! No such luck, sorry.

You're like a reformed smoker, very quick to beat up on the kinky rocker.

You think I'm projecting, but read back. I don't mention the rocker once. I made a couple of posts in defence of women who prefer to stay silent.

You're projecting a lot onto me today. Do I remind you of her?
 
You think I'm projecting, but read back. I don't mention the rocker once. I made a couple of posts in defence of women who prefer to stay silent.

You're projecting a lot onto me today. Do I remind you of her?

Actually, i know mm through one of his neighbors. Sure, he’s strange, but I think he’s getting a raw deal having his consensual kinks used against him.
 
Actually, i know mm through one of his neighbors. Sure, he’s strange, but I think he’s getting a raw deal having his consensual kinks used against him.

Yeah... Don't care.

Back to the topic of you imagining me attacking men when I'm not even mentioning them! You can see that now I've pointed it out, which is why you're trying to change the subject. Not the first time you've projected that one, either. So what is really ailing you?
 
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