Mandatory Military Service in the US?

[Spinaroonie]

http://thomas.loc.gov/

and search for bill number H. R. 3598 (direct linking isn't working for me)

3(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG MEN- It is the obligation of every male citizen of the United States, and every other male person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 22 to receive basic military training and education as a member of the armed forces unless the citizen or person is exempted under the provisions of this Act.

What do you think?

I think it's pretty much a forgone conclusion what I think.

 

[Spinaroonie]

 

[Texan]

Spin, it's damn cold in Canada this time of year.

 

[REDWAVE]

Vietnam

The last time they had the draft, there was massive revolt within the military itself.

 

[Dantetier]

*shrugs* I like it. In a country where a great majority of the poeple are overweight, and there are more uneducated people then there should be, AND the fact that I think basic military service is a great thing for anyone, I think it's a great idea.

 

[HeavyStick]

Here's your link Spin.



http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:1:./temp/~c107YD8Vbo::

 

[HeavyStick]

I don't like it, and I'm in the Marines.

That's what makes our Armed Forces what it is. The fact that people volunteer for it.

Perhaps a work study program, doing administration, supply and/or logistics to free service members up to pull the trigger or push a button.

 

[p_p_man]

[BAND the fact that I think basic military service is a great thing for anyone, I think it's a great idea. [/B]

Unless you're going to get your brains blown out during the next few months...

Or share your last Christmas with a loved one...

Or feel the burden of extreme sadness when you realise that your life is finite after all...

ppman

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: Vietnam

The last time they had the draft, there was massive revolt within the military itself.

No there wasn't and you're an idiot.

 

[p_p_man]

I don't like it, and I'm in the Marines.

How are you preparing to die next year?

ppman

 

[REDWAVE]

13th amendment

Conscription is involuntary servitude in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment. It is blatantly unconstitutional.

 

[Dantetier]

I don't like it, and I'm in the Marines.

That's what makes our Armed Forces what it is. The fact that people volunteer for it.

Perhaps a work study program, doing administration, supply and/or logistics to free service members up to pull the trigger or push a button.

That's the thing though. The bill only calls for basic training and education, after that, there's no obligation. So basically what I see is physical fitness, basic discipline and some education. Nothing wrong with that.

The only thing I would change is to exempt those in college. There's nothing said about that, only High School


And PPMan, I'd gladly go to war for my country. I tried to join, but my vision was too bad, unfortunately for me.

 

[HeavyStick]

How are you preparing to die next year?

ppman

I've been in since Panama. Not dead yet.

 

[Problem Child]

How are you preparing to die next year?

ppman

I'm pretty sure if anyone dies, it's going to be you, facedown in a pool of your own vomit.

Happy new year.

 

[Problem Child]

And PPMan, I'd gladly go to war for my country. I tried to join, but my vision was too bad, unfortunately for me.

What's wrong with your vision?

 

[Lost Cause]

It'd be good for you...

It would teach you appreciation for where you are, and instill personal responsibility and duty. The ills of society can be placed on group apathy, and cowardice promoted by the weakest links of the herd. BTW, my draft number in 1972 was in the thirties, I joined because of a sense of owing America for what I had. You may now deride my choice in your usual ways, ready? set? go!

 

[HeavyStick]

That's the thing though. The bill only calls for basic training and education, after that, there's no obligation. So basically what I see is physical fitness, basic discipline and some education. Nothing wrong with that.

The only thing I would change is to exempt those in college. There's nothing said about that, only High School


And PPMan, I'd gladly go to war for my country. I tried to join, but my vision was too bad, unfortunately for me.

It's a waste of money. Reinstate Selective Service. Why waste money on PT, Drill, and marksmanship training for a 2year program. Did you read the bill?

Despite what redwave says, it's not conscription.

SEC. 10. MILITARY TRAINING IN BRANCH OF MEMBER'S CHOICE; CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION.

(a) SELECTION BY MEMBER- Subject to such limitations and standards of qualification and selection as may be established by the Secretary concerned to ensure a proper balance of trained manpower between the ground, air, and naval arms, each person inducted or accepted as a volunteer under this Act shall be entitled to request and receive training in the service of the person's choice.

(b) CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS- (1) Any person who claims, because of religious training and belief (as defined in section 6(j) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 456(j))), exemption from combatant training included as part of the program of basic military training and education and whose claim is sustained by the local board shall, when inducted, participate in basic military training and education that does not include any combatant training component. The person may be transferred to a national service program, as provided in section 4(d).

 

[Dantetier]

What's wrong with your vision?

the vision in my left eye is -12, and -13 in my right eye. The military will accept up to ±8. Since I did so well on the ASVAB and the Physics test the recruiter gave me, my waiver went to the state Senator, but it was denied.

 

[Lost Cause]

Be like Bill...

Have contempt for the military, and you could be President some day.

 

[p_p_man]

I've been in since Panama. Not dead yet.

Yeah but this is war, not a skirmish...

More bullets flying around fired from more weapons held by many more enemy troops...

It's comparitively easy to avoid the few, not so easy to avoid the many...

ppman

 

[Dantetier]

It's a waste of money. Reinstate Selective Service. Why waste money on PT, Drill, and marksmanship training for a 2year program. Did you read the bill?

Despite what redwave says, it's not conscription.

Yeah, I read the bill.

(a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, a person inducted as a conscript or accepted as a volunteer pursuant to this Act shall receive basic military training and education as a member of one of the armed forces for a period of not less than six months, but not more than one year, as established by the Secretary concerned.

 

[Dantetier]

Yeah but this is war, not a skirmish...

More bullets flying around fired from more weapons held by many more enemy troops...

It's comparitively easy to avoid the few, not so easy to avoid the many...

ppman

Yeah... because the last time we went into Iraq, we lost so many troops... the backbone of the country was just broken...

 

[Problem Child]

Yeah but this is war, not a skirmish...

More bullets flying around fired from more weapons held by many more enemy troops...

It's comparitively easy to avoid the few, not so easy to avoid the many...

ppman

1990 was a skirmish? I'm sure the 50,000 or so Iraqis that bought it would have a difference of opion with you there peepsie.

 

[HeavyStick]

Yeah but this is war, not a skirmish...

More bullets flying around fired from more weapons held by many more enemy troops...

It's comparitively easy to avoid the few, not so easy to avoid the many...

ppman

Hey Drunktard.

Panama
Gulf War
Somalia

I've been to all three.

Still alive. The one thing I will say. Aussies are better bar room brawlers the Brit's.

Aussies buy you another round at the end of a fight, Brit's will toss your salad.

 

[HeavyStick]

Yeah, I read the bill.

(a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, a person inducted as a conscript or accepted as a volunteer pursuant to this Act shall receive basic military training and education as a member of one of the armed forces for a period of not less than six months, but not more than one year, as established by the Secretary concerned.

My mistake, the point I was trying to get across. It's not a violation of the 13th Amendment as our unemployed lawyer says.