Loving Wives

[lovecraft68]

I kinda favor using "fucktard" over using the word "asshat"

All a matter of style, I favor fuckwit or over fucktard.

When she was younger my daughter's was "Butt munching sped monkey" no idea where it came from, but it was sort of catchy.

 

[Serafina1210]

Make up new ones, doods! Titwit! Shitwit! Turdtard! Cuntwipe!

 

[EverLux]

I kinda favor using "fucktard" over using the word "asshat"

Seconded. Asshat is fun to type, but fucktard is far more satisfying to say

Also, I've never read anything in the LW section, and the category description sounds pretty tame, compared to other categories, so.... why does it get all the hate? Is it a BBC/cuckolding thing?

 

[EverLux]

When she was younger my daughter's was "Butt munching sped monkey" no idea where it came from, but it was sort of catchy.

Sheesh. My dad called me Princess. How freaking lame is that?

 

[J_R_Ashunwhy]

Sheesh. My dad called me Princess. How freaking lame is that?

'Princess' and 'buttercup' are my favorite insults to use, especially on men; tends to make them pause for a moment when either is coming from a chick.
Though, I use 'fuckface' far more often than I probably should.

 

[Selq]

Seconded. Asshat is fun to type, but fucktard is far more satisfying to say

Also, I've never read anything in the LW section, and the category description sounds pretty tame, compared to other categories, so.... why does it get all the hate? Is it a BBC/cuckolding thing?

Fucktard works to really get under the skin. But when I hear asshat I think beavis and butthead. The great Cornholio and his sidekick Asshat. (Not real, I know, but makes me smile) hehehe

As to the other part: LW is probably tamer than a lot of the other categories, but in range it might be the most diverse category. You have 3 major subgroups (willing cuckold, swinger/wife swapping, and consequences/btb) that sometimes seem to have difficulty staying away from each other, so that causes some heat.

But, if there is one thing that causes most of it, I would have to say it is the anonymous trolls. For some reason, LW seems to attract the most vile trolls, and the most trolls. And these trolls have been doing this for years.

 

[rjordan]

Would be interesting to get a contest going and flood that category with quality content.

You have your work cut out for you, OliviaM. Some very good writers on this site have been flooding LW with quality work for several years. I posted names of a dozen of them on another recent AH thread asking for recommendations. I could have posted several dozen.

I'll post another, GirlintheMoon. If you can do better than her, flood away. New stories are always welcome.

If you can't, maybe you should be looking at more LW writers. Not all the best ones have made the LW HoF, but that would be a reasonable place to discover that you know less about their efforts than would be expected of someone who is so critical.

rj

 

[EverLux]

If you can't, maybe you should be looking at more LW writers. Not all the best ones have made the LW HoF, but that would be a reasonable place to discover that you know less about their efforts than would be expected of someone who is so critical.

rj

Dude. Harsh.
You might have just said, "Hey, here's a link to this thread. Lots of great LW writers. Give them a read."

 

[EverLux]

Fucktard works to really get under the skin. But when I hear asshat I think beavis and butthead. The great Cornholio and his sidekick Asshat. (Not real, I know, but makes me smile) hehehe

Ok. At least you have a good reason. I'll accept it

As to the other part: LW is probably tamer than a lot of the other categories, but in range it might be the most diverse category. You have 3 major subgroups (willing cuckold, swinger/wife swapping, and consequences/btb) that sometimes seem to have difficulty staying away from each other, so that causes some heat.

BTB... All my brain can come up with is "by the book" or "big tittied bitches", but I'm sure I'm way off. What's it really stand for?

 

[TxRad]

BTB= Burn The Bitch.

 

[EverLux]

BTB= Burn The Bitch.

Oh. I see.
Well, that's way more badass than my guesses.
Thanks

 

[NOIRTRASH]

You have your work cut out for you, OliviaM. Some very good writers on this site have been flooding LW with quality work for several years. I posted names of a dozen of them on another recent AH thread asking for recommendations. I could have posted several dozen.

I'll post another, GirlintheMoon. If you can do better than her, flood away. New stories are always welcome.

If you can't, maybe you should be looking at more LW writers. Not all the best ones have made the LW HoF, but that would be a reasonable place to discover that you know less about their efforts than would be expected of someone who is so critical.

rj

LIT is notoriously inept at recognizing its best writers. I mean, Laurel could segregate the Green E's and doesn't. LIT is American Idol where every nigger phones in and votes for Reuben, who's never heard of again.

 

[Selq]

BTB= Burn The Bitch.

BTB =Burn the Bastard, also. Wouldn't want to be considered sexist or something.

 

[TxRad]

BTB =Burn the Bastard, also. Wouldn't want to be considered sexist or something.

If you think that then you've not read the comments in LW. They are all sexists among other things.

 

[Selq]

If you think that then you've not read the comments in LW. They are all sexists among other things.

I've read plenty of comments in LW. I have read LW for years as an anon, until I finally created an account this month. I created the account so that I could comment. (I refuse to leave comments without having a name, so people have someone to respond to, if they choose)

I don't count the anonytrolls opinions because they hammer all the stories in LW, that allow anonymous comments, regardless of the outcome of a story.

The true fans of btb do believe that there should be consequences for any cheater, whether male or female.

But very few actually want physical consequences against a female.

The male cheater, on the other hand, wellll........hehehe

 

[rjordan]

Dude. Harsh.
You might have just said, "Hey, here's a link to this thread. Lots of great LW writers. Give them a read."

Harsh? A little tip from your Uncle rj: You're definitely not ready to post in LW.

rj

 

[EverLux]

Harsh? A little tip from your Uncle rj: You're definitely not ready to post in LW.

rj

Context. I wasn't posting in LW, I was posting a reply in the forum.

But thanks for the sage advice.
*kisses*

 

[rjordan]

LIT is notoriously inept at recognizing its best writers.

I would be happy if the best LW writers (some of whom post here) were recognized by the ignorant writers (some of whom post here) who dismiss them while admitting they don't read them.

I don't think it is LIT management's function to recognize the best writers. I think it is the READERs function. Readers perform that function just as well in LW as they do in any other category. In LW, the 1-bomb is the anti-TBall trophy.

Know your audience or GTFO.

rj

 

[rjordan]

Context. I wasn't posting in LW, I was posting a reply in the forum.

But thanks for the sage advice.
*kisses*

I assumed that if you thought my post to OliviaM was harsh, you might find LW comments over the top should you decide to post there.

In any event, I withdraw the comment. I would encourage any writer to post on LW. But do it intelligently. Read it first. Get to know what's being written there and by whom. The voting doesn't always tell the story. The comments often do. Look for stories with a minimum number of insane comments. Lots of stories there have very interesting and intelligently critical comments. If you find a story that LordSlammDog commented on, you found one you want to study. Don't ignore Anonymous posts. Some of the best are anon. So are some of the worst.

Then try to write something that resonates with reader segments of that category. Not ALL readers of that category. It is far from a homogeneous group. It will stretch any writer's abilities to find a readership there.

Anyway, that's the same advice I'd give for any writer deciding to write in any category. You can't jump in assuming you're going to save them from all the dreck they've been reading. Each category is a community unto itself. Respect the community or go somewhere else.

[Didn't mean for this to be directed at you personally. You're just the excuse for the thoughts.]

rj

 

[EverLux]

I assumed that if you thought my post to OliviaM was harsh, you might find LW comments over the top should you decide to post there.

I will likely never post in LW--or read it, even--just because it's not my thing, but it's definitely been... interesting, learning about the category.

I think I've mentioned it elsewhere, but the first story I posted on Lit is a brother-sister tale, heavy on the non-con. I was told I was disgusting and got rape threats 'n stuff. It was a blast. A thick skin is a must in any controversial category--apparently more so in LW than others.

[Didn't mean for this to be directed at you personally. You're just the excuse for the thoughts.]

It's cool. Thanks for not turning out to be the dick I thought you were based on that one comment. I'm happy to be wrong (sometimes).

 

[rjordan]

It's cool. Thanks for not turning out to be the dick I thought you were based on that one comment. I'm happy to be wrong (sometimes).

I might still be the dick you haven't thought of.

rj

 

[rjordan]

I think I've mentioned it elsewhere, but the first story I posted on Lit is a brother-sister tale, heavy on the non-con. I was told I was disgusting and got rape threats 'n stuff. It was a blast. A thick skin is a must in any controversial category--apparently more so in LW than others.

I'm still working on a theory of sorts as to why readers react differently to many LW cheating stories than they do to incest stories. It's more complicated than it seems at first. Cheating is a fairly common event in real life, and so is talking about it. So you would think LW cheating stories would be more acceptable than stories about a son fucking his mom. I don't know how common that is, but it is not often talked about in real life, at least not as a positive event.

So one line of thinking here is that incest readers see it as a positive event. That's their kink. They might think about doing it in real life or they might think about doing it as fantasy. They don't think about anyone getting hurt (I'm guessing. Don't know). A large portion of the readership probably is accepting of incest and favorably disposed towards incest stories. That might explain the generally positive comments and high scores.

But hardly anyone views cheating as a positive event. Someone is definitely getting hurt. Few would have cheating as a kink, but I suspect most people think about it either as the cheater or the cheatee. Since there is probably a high proportion of readers who have had a very negative experience with cheating, certainly a lot higher percentage than have experienced incest, the readership is high, but the scores are low. Readers are evaluating the story experience based on their own generally negative experience, not analyzing the quality of the writing and plot.

I think that might be true of a lot of the categories that score very high. They show a positive aspect of a controversial topic to readers who view such an experience as positive.

So here's a test that might challenge the rudimentary theory. How about rewriting a few LW cheating stories for Incest? For example, son is fucking his mom, but he's also fucking his best friend's mom on the side. He's cheating on his mom. His mom is already cheating on his dad with the son, and his best friend's mom is cheating on his best friend's dad. Now we delve head first into all the damaged relationships resulting from cheating that readers are already very familiar with from their own lives. We have a cheating story disguised as an incest story. All the LW themes could be given the same treatment, rewriting them as incest stories.

Readers in both categories would be howling and the trolls would be beside themselves. I think the stories would be rejected in both categories and the voting would be in the basement. But nothing at all would really have changed. The same relationships are in play.

This might have been done in Incest already. I admit my ignorance of that category as I have only sampled a few stories and thought, geez, these are some people I don't really want to know about let alone ever meet. So we're all even. We need to shut up about the other categories and let everyone enjoy what they enjoy.

rj

 

[EverLux]

I might still be the dick you haven't thought of.

rj

Please. There are no dicks I haven't thought of.

 

[EverLux]

Now we delve head first into all the damaged relationships resulting from cheating that readers are already very familiar with from their own lives.

The two categories could never mix, for this very reason. What you rarely find in I/T are consequences. The draw is that it's the most forbidden form of sex, and while in real life, there are a shit ton of consequences, the characters in incest stories look at those and say, "let's fuck, anyway."

You're right--mix LW & I/T, and you'll get some shitty ratings.

 

[rjordan]

The two categories could never mix, for this very reason. What you rarely find in I/T are consequences. The draw is that it's the most forbidden form of sex, and while in real life, there are a shit ton of consequences, the characters in incest stories look at those and say, "let's fuck, anyway."

You're right--mix LW & I/T, and you'll get some shitty ratings.

Well, that's what I was saying. Many people know there are consequences to cheating. Someone, practically by definition, gets hurt. They don't view it in a positive way. They don't fantasize about it in a positive way.

But Incest readers do, apparently, view the fantasy in a positive way without consequences. Nobody in their fantasies gets hurt.

At least as a thought experiment, my little theory is validated enough to think about it more.

Good talking to you. I scanned your EC story. Way, WAY too sweet for me, and not enough dialog in the first chapter for me, but the characters and their actions are very believable, and you write well. I didn't finish that one, but if you write something for LW, I might.
rj