Loving Wives Category Wars

[sbrooks103]

Why won't Lit do something about Loving Wives? Mixing stories about cuckold, swinging, sharing, etc., with stories about cheating wives (VERY occasionally husbands) and the consequences that result, whether reconciliation or BTB (Burn The Bitch/Bastard) results in Category Wars. with each side throwing insults and/or one-bombs at each other.

I suppose Lit likes it because it generates a lot of clicks, but it's annoying for both sides.

As a fan of Consequence stories, I'm prepared to admit that the other side probably has more claim to Loving Wives, but where else can we go? Why can't Lit give us a Cheating and Consequence category, or more broadly, a Drama category?

 

[SimonDoom]

This is an interesting idea -- create a new category called Cheating and Consequences and see what happens. Seems like it's worth trying. I wonder if it would cut down on the mud-slinging.

I think "Loving Wives" should be renamed something like "Hot Wives" so the name more closely describes the type of story the category was intended to cover.

 

[KeithD]

Why won't Lit do something about Loving Wives? Mixing stories about cuckold, swinging, sharing, etc., with stories about cheating wives (VERY occasionally husbands) and the consequences that result, whether reconciliation or BTB (Burn The Bitch/Bastard) results in Category Wars. with each side throwing insults and/or one-bombs at each other.

I suppose Lit likes it because it generates a lot of clicks, but it's annoying for both sides.

As a fan of Consequence stories, I'm prepared to admit that the other side probably has more claim to Loving Wives, but where else can we go? Why can't Lit give us a Cheating and Consequence category, or more broadly, a Drama category?

Why do so many readers require babysitting and can't take responsibility for what they read--and if they are going to get the vapors at seeing something here they can't just back away from under their own steam, why don't they just get off an adult porn site?

 

[SimonDoom]

Why do so many readers require babysitting and can't take responsibility for what they read--and if they are going to get the vapors at seeing something here they can't just back away from under their own steam, why don't they just get off an adult porn site?

I don't think there is a good answer to this question. Regardless, it's an ongoing fact that there is a lot of bad behavior in this category, and splitting it into two categories might -- might -- increase everyone's enjoyment, readers and authors. At some point it may not be productive to ask why people do what they do, but to accept that they do it and adjust the site accordingly.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

No matter what you call LW, the factions within the category will still 1-bomb the stories they don't like.

It is so funny to see a moral majority here on a porno site.

 

[SimonDoom]

No matter what you call LW, the factions within the category will still 1-bomb the stories they don't like.

It is so funny to see a moral majority here on a porno site.

I think it's possible the bombing will go down if there are separate categories. As it stands now, if you publish a "hot wife" story in a category other than LW, you may receive some bombing, but not nearly as much. Part of the problem is that the BTB crowd insists that the LW category should be used exclusively for its kind of stories. If you give them their own category it might reduce the problem.

 

[sbrooks103]

No matter what you call LW, the factions within the category will still 1-bomb the stories they don't like.

It is so funny to see a moral majority here on a porno site.

Zeb, it has nothing to do with "morality." If it did, you're right, I wouldn't be on a porn site. I have no issue with wives having sex outside marriage, again, I wouldn't be reading in LW if that were the case.

I, personally, prefer that when the (usually) husband doesn't agree, that SOMETHING should happen besides him sitting in the corner jerking off (if he's allowed to!) then eating her lover's cum out of her pussy, that there should be some consequences to her action, which may even be a reconciliation!

Once again, if the husband gets off on it, more power to them, though it's not to my taste. I happen think that they're different kinds of stories that should be in different categories.

Nobody would be ridiculed for objecting to a gay male story being in lesbian, or vice versa, or a non-mixed race story being in IR, so why does it happen in LW? I realize it's more of a grey area in LW, especially given the "extra-marital fun" part of the description, though I question how much "fun" an unwilling cuckold is having!

Once again, while I can only speak for myself, it's not a question of morality, I don't consider any of the stories immoral.

 

[Zylphyr]

Maybe we, as authors, can just come up with our own solution, rather than requiring an additional category. Perhaps we should tag our stories with 1 of 2 tags, #btb and/or #cuck, and in addition, put it in the title as well.

[BTB] Mary sold into slavery.
[Cuck] Mary let's her man watch.

If we build this sort of formatting, people won't bother with even going to a story that's outside their comfort zone. (?)

 

[SimonDoom]

Maybe we, as authors, can just come up with our own solution, rather than requiring an additional category. Perhaps we should tag our stories with 1 of 2 tags, #btb and/or #cuck, and in addition, put it in the title as well.

[BTB] Mary sold into slavery.
[Cuck] Mary let's her man watch.

If we build this sort of formatting, people won't bother with even going to a story that's outside their comfort zone. (?)

This might help. The new New Story format gives readers the option of highlighting the tag symbol at the top of the page, so the reader can see the tags before reading the story. If the site encouraged authors to identify what type of LW story it is through tags, then this might help readers self-select and avoid the "problem."

Many readers, however, may not notice this tag feature or may not be aware of tags generally. It's easy to overlook the symbol, as it stands now.

 

[sbrooks103]

This is an interesting idea -- create a new category called Cheating and Consequences and see what happens. Seems like it's worth trying. I wonder if it would cut down on the mud-slinging.

I think "Loving Wives" should be renamed something like "Hot Wives" so the name more closely describes the type of story the category was intended to cover.

I like the idea of renaming it "Hot Wives," I think many confuse "Loving Wives" with Romance! My only problem with that name is it would pretty much define the C&C/BTB crowd as interlopers, but give them nowhere to go'

The closest I can think of is Erotic Couplings, but it's description of "Wild one-on-one consensual sex," is a bit problematic. While cheating may be wild, one-on-one at a time, and consensual between the cheaters, it's certainly not consensual with the spouse!

 

[NotWise]

Maybe we, as authors, can just come up with our own solution, rather than requiring an additional category. Perhaps we should tag our stories with 1 of 2 tags, #btb and/or #cuck, and in addition, put it in the title as well.

[BTB] Mary sold into slavery.
[Cuck] Mary let's her man watch.

If we build this sort of formatting, people won't bother with even going to a story that's outside their comfort zone. (?)

I have the impression that readers in LW intentionally do read stories that are out of their comfort zone. This way the haters won't have to get past the title before they bomb the story.

LW has a lot of readers and a lot of voters, but in terms of the number of stories published, LW is far from the largest category. I think it's #5. Without more traffic, then there isn't a lot of reason for the site to split the category.

Why can't the LW readers tolerate a little diversity? Everyone else seems to. Sci/Fi and Fantasy accepts stories as different as space operas and high fantasy without readers waging wars. Mature has sentimental romances and quick jerk-off stories. I/T has mom/son and daddy/daughter, and a lot of people who like one of those are squirked by the other.

This idea has come up plenty of times before, but nothing changes. Maybe Laurel and Manu don't want to cater to intolerance.

 

[sbrooks103]

This might help. The new New Story format gives readers the option of highlighting the tag symbol at the top of the page, so the reader can see the tags before reading the story. If the site encouraged authors to identify what type of LW story it is through tags, then this might help readers self-select and avoid the "problem."

Many readers, however, may not notice this tag feature or may not be aware of tags generally. It's easy to overlook the symbol, as it stands now.

Another great idea! I already just skip stories where either the title, description or sometimes even author name gives it away.

Authors should make an effort for the tag to be at the top of the tags.

I actually prefer "Consequences" to "BTB" for two reasons: 1) All consequences aren't BTB, especially if you mean sold into slavery (wink). A consequence can be anywhere from a simple divorce to scorched earth BTB, it could even result in a reconciliation. 2) I wouldn't want to know the ending in advance. In a consequence story, we know the wife will cheat and get caught, HOPEFULLY in a new, unique way, though that gets more difficult every day! The meat of the story is in what happens next: how does he react, what does he do, what kind of confrontation do they have and what is the final resolution.

 

[sbrooks103]

I have the impression that readers in LW intentionally do read stories that are out of their comfort zone. This way the haters won't have to get past the title before they bomb the story.

LW has a lot of readers and a lot of voters, but in terms of the number of stories published, LW is far from the largest category. I think it's #5. Without more traffic, then there isn't a lot of reason for the site to split the category.

Why can't the LW readers tolerate a little diversity? Everyone else seems to. Sci/Fi and Fantasy accepts stories as different as space operas and high fantasy without readers waging wars. Mature has sentimental romances and quick jerk-off stories. I/T has mom/son and daddy/daughter, and a lot of people who like one of those are squirked by the other.

This idea has come up plenty of times before, but nothing changes. Maybe Laurel and Manu don't want to cater to intolerance.

Sci fi accepts many types of sci-fi. How accepting would they be of mundane stories?

 

[SimonDoom]

Another great idea! I already just skip stories where either the title, description or sometimes even author name gives it away.

Authors should make an effort for the tag to be at the top of the tags.

I actually prefer "Consequences" to "BTB" for two reasons: 1) All consequences aren't BTB, especially if you mean sold into slavery (wink). A consequence can be anywhere from a simple divorce to scorched earth BTB, it could even result in a reconciliation. 2) I wouldn't want to know the ending in advance. In a consequence story, we know the wife will cheat and get caught, HOPEFULLY in a new, unique way, though that gets more difficult every day! The meat of the story is in what happens next: how does he react, what does he do, what kind of confrontation do they have and what is the final resolution.

I agree. "BTB" I think is usually a pejorative term used by people who don't like those stories. It doesn't make sense to use labels that will make the people who like those stories cringe. It's the same as calling all "shared wife" stories "cuck" stories. Many of them aren't. "Cheating and Consequences" seems like a good category label.

 

[NotWise]

Sci fi accepts many types of sci-fi. How accepting would they be of mundane stories?

I have a story in SciFi that is neither space opera nor high fantasy. It doesn't even have sex in it, and the readers still score it over 4.6.

Looking at LW from outside, the gap between BTB and cuckold is probably not as big as it looks from inside. Either way, the stories are generally set in a "real" world and they're about the wife having extra-marital sex. They differ by how the husband responds. The gap between daddy/daughter stories and mom/son stories in I/T seems bigger.

 

[sbrooks103]

I have a story in SciFi that is neither space opera nor high fantasy. It doesn't even have sex in it, and the readers still score it over 4.6.

Looking at LW from outside, the gap between BTB and cuckold is probably not as big as it looks from inside. Either way, the stories are generally set in a "real" world and they're about the wife having extra-marital sex. They differ by how the husband responds. The gap between daddy/daughter stories and mom/son stories in I/T seems bigger.

As someone who isn't a frequent reader of I/T maybe my opinion isn't of great value, but while I BELIEVE that mom/son are probably more popular than daddy/daughter, the latter having more of a creep factor, IMHO, but there can be no doubt that they're both I/T.

While I see what you're saying that both BTB and cuck are about extra-marital sex, maybe it's because I am on the inside, I simply see them as being worlds apart.

Maybe that's a better rename for Loving Wives - "Extra-marital Sex." Both sides will still hate each other, but there's no way either side can claim that the other doesn't belong there.

 

[NotWise]

Maybe that's a better rename for Loving Wives - "Extra-marital Sex." Both sides will still hate each other, but there's no way either side can claim that the other doesn't belong there.

Or maybe "Hateful Husbands" as counterpoint to "Loving Wives."

 

[yukonnights]

Or maybe "Hateful Husbands" as counterpoint to "Loving Wives."

This is the clearest option offered so far.

The term 'Loving Wives' is very unclear, as I found out on the very first story I ever posted here (which was a story about an actual loving wife — just not the right kind of loving wife). The best description is "Cheating Wives" if the intent is to give that particular readership what they want. Pretty much anything beside Loving Wives would be helpful — especially to new writers who take it at face value.

Personally, I could care less. It seems wise to me to just leave it as is so the infection doesn't spread. I do not come here for drama and flame wars.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Zeb, it has nothing to do with "morality." If it did, you're right, I wouldn't be on a porn site. I have no issue with wives having sex outside marriage, again, I wouldn't be reading in LW if that were the case.

I, personally, prefer that when the (usually) husband doesn't agree, that SOMETHING should happen besides him sitting in the corner jerking off (if he's allowed to!) then eating her lover's cum out of her pussy, that there should be some consequences to her action, which may even be a reconciliation!

Once again, if the husband gets off on it, more power to them, though it's not to my taste. I happen think that they're different kinds of stories that should be in different categories.

Nobody would be ridiculed for objecting to a gay male story being in lesbian, or vice versa, or a non-mixed race story being in IR, so why does it happen in LW? I realize it's more of a grey area in LW, especially given the "extra-marital fun" part of the description, though I question how much "fun" an unwilling cuckold is having!

Once again, while I can only speak for myself, it's not a question of morality, I don't consider any of the stories immoral.

Yeah, I don't write stories like that... no cum suckers in mine. And I wasn't talking about morality, I was talking about those that only like to read about true loving wives, no cheating, and if there is it better wind up being a BTB story.

Maybe we, as authors, can just come up with our own solution, rather than requiring an additional category. Perhaps we should tag our stories with 1 of 2 tags, #btb and/or #cuck, and in addition, put it in the title as well.

[BTB] Mary sold into slavery.
[Cuck] Mary let's her man watch.

If we build this sort of formatting, people won't bother with even going to a story that's outside their comfort zone. (?)

Actually, there are three categories [cuck] [BTB] and [Stag]. Now yes, technically they are all cuckolds and the difference between a Cuck and Stag is subtle, but there is a difference. A stag suffers no humiliation, he also may participate, he will have the final say on anyone the wife would like to fuck, etc. It is a sharing experience, no domination by either party.

This might help. The new New Story format gives readers the option of highlighting the tag symbol at the top of the page, so the reader can see the tags before reading the story. If the site encouraged authors to identify what type of LW story it is through tags, then this might help readers self-select and avoid the "problem."

Many readers, however, may not notice this tag feature or may not be aware of tags generally. It's easy to overlook the symbol, as it stands now.

That still won't work... the tags they don't like to read, they will just one boom it and go on to the next one. Even if you split them into three categories there are that "moral" majority that will just go to each story and one bomb them.

 

[gordo12]

Why won't Lit do something about Loving Wives? Mixing stories about cuckold, swinging, sharing, etc., with stories about cheating wives (VERY occasionally husbands) and the consequences that result, whether reconciliation or BTB (Burn The Bitch/Bastard) results in Category Wars. with each side throwing insults and/or one-bombs at each other.

I suppose Lit likes it because it generates a lot of clicks, but it's annoying for both sides.

As a fan of Consequence stories, I'm prepared to admit that the other side probably has more claim to Loving Wives, but where else can we go? Why can't Lit give us a Cheating and Consequence category, or more broadly, a Drama category?

Technically NONE of those stories should be in there. the category defines itself as
"Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more". Therefore BTB RAAC or other stories (even mine) don't belong. But flame wars attract people and it's good for the site. Not necessarily the authors that get slaughtered there.

Why do so many readers require babysitting and can't take responsibility for what they read--and if they are going to get the vapors at seeing something here they can't just back away from under their own steam, why don't they just get off an adult porn site?

And do what...become politicians? It's human nature.

No matter what you call LW, the factions within the category will still 1-bomb the stories they don't like.

It is so funny to see a moral majority here on a porno site.

I agree. the one bombing will continue no matter what. Because they HAVE to declare their righteousness while perving over the material. They're scared to admit their perversion and the attraction they feel toward it.

I think it's possible the bombing will go down if there are separate categories. As it stands now, if you publish a "hot wife" story in a category other than LW, you may receive some bombing, but not nearly as much. Part of the problem is that the BTB crowd insists that the LW category should be used exclusively for its kind of stories. If you give them their own category it might reduce the problem.

I doubt it. They'll be right back to let the world know how bad we are. The need to be more righteous than your neighbour.

As someone who isn't a frequent reader of I/T maybe my opinion isn't of great value, but while I BELIEVE that mom/son are probably more popular than daddy/daughter, the latter having more of a creep factor, IMHO, but there can be no doubt that they're both I/T.

While I see what you're saying that both BTB and cuck are about extra-marital sex, maybe it's because I am on the inside, I simply see them as being worlds apart.

Maybe that's a better rename for Loving Wives - "Extra-marital Sex." Both sides will still hate each other, but there's no way either side can claim that the other doesn't belong there.

Extra marital sex is already in the description (which so many don't read) and it hasn't made any difference.

In my mind the category is restless. Fed up with endless reams of overused tropes that simply recycle the same shit day in and day out. Give them something different and they praise! Yes there is the odd asshole but the majority LIKE THAT!

 

[sbrooks103]

Technically NONE of those stories should be in there. the category defines itself as
"Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more". Therefore BTB RAAC or other stories (even mine) don't belong. But flame wars attract people and it's good for the site. Not necessarily the authors that get slaughtered there.



And do what...become politicians? It's human nature.



I agree. the one bombing will continue no matter what. Because they HAVE to declare their righteousness while perving over the material. They're scared to admit their perversion and the attraction they feel toward it.



I doubt it. They'll be right back to let the world know how bad we are. The need to be more righteous than your neighbour.



Extra marital sex is already in the description (which so many don't read) and it hasn't made any difference.

In my mind the category is restless. Fed up with endless reams of overused tropes that simply recycle the same shit day in and day out. Give them something different and they praise! Yes there is the odd asshole but the majority LIKE THAT!

I disagree, gordo. BTB/Consequence fans aren't going to go searching for cuck stories to 1-bomb if they're elsewhere. There are categories that aren't my taste; I simply don't go there. I'm not a big fan of I/T, and rarely go there, I'm certainly not going to go to I/T and 1-bomb simply because it's an I/T. We may be troglodytes, but we're not idiots!

Extra-marital sex is in the description, but having it the name of the category would carry more weight. I agree it wouldn't solve all the problems, but at least it MIGHT reduce one part of the argument, that one o the other doesn't belong here.

 

[gordo12]

I disagree, gordo. BTB/Consequence fans aren't going to go searching for cuck stories to 1-bomb if they're elsewhere. There are categories that aren't my taste; I simply don't go there. I'm not a big fan of I/T, and rarely go there, I'm certainly not going to go to I/T and 1-bomb simply because it's an I/T. We may be troglodytes, but we're not idiots!

Extra-marital sex is in the description, but having it the name of the category would carry more weight. I agree it wouldn't solve all the problems, but at least it MIGHT reduce one part of the argument, that one o the other doesn't belong here.

The category has been the subject of endless debate and complaining. The site has chosen to do nothing about it for all these years. I fear we're wasting time even talking about it cause I don't think they care, or there is some advantage to them.

 

[NotWise]

The category has been the subject of endless debate and complaining. The site has chosen to do nothing about it for all these years. I fear we're wasting time even talking about it cause I don't think they care, or there is some advantage to them.

Hash that out among yourselves. I agree that the site probably doesn't care. I can't think of a reason why they would. It looks like y'all just love hating each other.

I think I'm echoing yukonnights. I want to see the bile, disrespect, and hatred that is so common in LW staying exactly were it is. I doubt that splitting the not-very-big category is going to stop people who have been spewing hatred forever to stop spewing hatred.

The site gave you a pond, and you guys made it your own cesspool. Enjoy.

 

[eroticstoryspinner]

On one hand I would argue that some readers are going to skim till offended and 1 bomb you. OTOH, I (so far) seem to be generally successful with a brief note explaining what to expect and why I picked the category I did. i am working on a story that has gay and lesbian incest, non con and probably going to be posted in I/T. So we will see

As for the broader issue, I think the long term solution might be to divide the categories a bit. However, I really don't see it happening.

 

[KeithD]

And do what...become politicians? It's human nature.

That doesn't mean anyone has to babysit for it on an adult site. Humans can grow up if they aren't spoonfed just what they personally want the way they like it whenever they whine for it.