Loving Wives And The Incel Movement

[MillieDynamite]

Speaking of funny, the following was posted on a story of mine earlier today, I got hoot out of it and actually responded to him, and not in a kind or loving way

"millie seems to be a very sensitive lil' fucker. too sensitive to live on the internet.

first of all, man-hating is what a misogynist is. i know in your black and white dinosaur brain...that means women are never able to make stupid and bad decisions. women good, is about the depth of your ability to rationalize that word. truth is, a woman that works long hours with a man...that can and, in your story, DID use their superior position to seduce them....IS A VALID CONCERN.

and since your idiotic brain can only reflexively say, "nu-uh...whadifitwuz a man....huh?!" well.....that's just as bad my lil sensitive idiot. a woman should not have to put up with a husband in a mixed sex work environment where the hours are long....and there is an imbalanced power dynamic with no oversight. yes.

she still pines for the guy that not only ruined your fantasy world's marriage to her husband. but compares her husband to him constantly. her marriage is shitty now, and the husband has to suffer the monotony of it all.
he doesn't know why. he's just trying to foolishly follow his vows to the useless cunt. she only had one real job. the only job marriage exists to do....give women almost everything for the promise of keeping their legs closed. since women have all the sexual power in a relationship.....it makes sense. he just has to sell his soul to get it. even in your 'modern' worldview.....you prolly still expect men to protect you....provide for you...be confidence emotional walls to lean on....

you don't see women romancing their men....providing an ear to vent to. massaging their feet after a long day. racing down the stairs to protect their man cuz a noise was heard in the house at night. face it, you're more a conservative than half the anons on here you claim hate women."

I won't put my response up, I pointed out the word for a manhating woman is a woman who practices Misandry and shot down most of the other tripe as well. Pointing out that there is no indication her husband suffered any mistreatment by her hand.

Boy howdy did I let him have it about me letting a man take care of me!!! No, no, the only men in my life are my brother and father in my adoptive family.

 

[Andrew1968]

Speaking of funny, the following was posted on a story of mine earlier today, I got hoot out of it and actually responded to him, and not in a kind or loving way

"millie seems to be a very sensitive lil' fucker. too sensitive to live on the internet.

first of all, man-hating is what a misogynist is. i know in your black and white dinosaur brain...that means women are never able to make stupid and bad decisions. women good, is about the depth of your ability to rationalize that word. truth is, a woman that works long hours with a man...that can and, in your story, DID use their superior position to seduce them....IS A VALID CONCERN.

and since your idiotic brain can only reflexively say, "nu-uh...whadifitwuz a man....huh?!" well.....that's just as bad my lil sensitive idiot. a woman should not have to put up with a husband in a mixed sex work environment where the hours are long....and there is an imbalanced power dynamic with no oversight. yes.

she still pines for the guy that not only ruined your fantasy world's marriage to her husband. but compares her husband to him constantly. her marriage is shitty now, and the husband has to suffer the monotony of it all.
he doesn't know why. he's just trying to foolishly follow his vows to the useless cunt. she only had one real job. the only job marriage exists to do....give women almost everything for the promise of keeping their legs closed. since women have all the sexual power in a relationship.....it makes sense. he just has to sell his soul to get it. even in your 'modern' worldview.....you prolly still expect men to protect you....provide for you...be confidence emotional walls to lean on....

you don't see women romancing their men....providing an ear to vent to. massaging their feet after a long day. racing down the stairs to protect their man cuz a noise was heard in the house at night. face it, you're more a conservative than half the anons on here you claim hate women."

I won't put my response up, I pointed out the word for a manhating woman is a woman who practices Misandry and shot down most of the other tripe as well. Pointing out that there is no indication her husband suffered any mistreatment by her hand.

Boy howdy did I let him have it about me letting a man take care of me!!! No, no, the only men in my life are my brother and father in my adoptive family.

Good for you. I just dropped a couple of stories in LW, which are cuckolding stories. I just don't have the time or patience to moderate or respond to the haters right now.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Yeah, you really can't defend your work to those people. Oh, god, is those people like you people? I hope not.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Yeah, you really can't defend your work to those people. Oh, god, is those people like you people? I hope not.

Usually I don't respond to critics, but I recently had one (not on LW) who was articulate if a bit unrealistic, or maybe unfair - I'd choose one of those words. So I did write a rebuttal.

Another critic (also not on LW) turned out to be correct, but it took months for me to realize that. I wrote a new version based on his ideas, and I'm glad I did. That was indeed a rarity, however.

As for LW, it's hard to take them seriously because some of the same ones keep showing up but never contribute anything of their own. Yes, that does carry some weight with me.

 

[MillieDynamite]

So, I have two stories going up tomorrow that I’m worried will get hammered if the incels find them. One is an incest story and is going in the incest/taboo category. I’m pretty sure it’d going to have a lot of negative comments sprouting up over it. The other story is a rape and going in the NonConsent/Reluctance classification. Despite it being she enjoyed it (which in the original form she didn’t) I’m certain the haters will flock to it and hammer me but good. I hope they don’t, but gearing up for low votes and angry comments.

 

[ElectricBlue]

So, I have two stories going up tomorrow that I’m worried will get hammered if the incels find them. One is an incest story and is going in the incest/taboo category. I’m pretty sure it’d going to have a lot of negative comments sprouting up over it. The other story is a rape and going in the NonConsent/Reluctance classification. Despite it being she enjoyed it (which in the original form she didn’t) I’m certain the haters will flock to it and hammer me but good. I hope they don’t, but gearing up for low votes and angry comments.

Why keep painting a target on your back? You keep on announcing a set of negative expectations and then what? Act surprised when the arrows hit you? Why not let the arrows fall, by letting the stories arrive without fanfair and stand or fail on their own.

It's like seeing a billboard saying the circus is coming to town, but the clowns aren't funny and the lion's got mange. You gotta promote your stories, not run them down, know what I'm sayin'?

 

[MillieDynamite]

Why keep painting a target on your back? You keep on announcing a set of negative expectations and then what? Act surprised when the arrows hit you? Why not let the arrows fall, by letting the stories arrive without fanfair and stand or fail on their own.

It's like seeing a billboard saying the circus is coming to town, but the clowns aren't funny and the lion's got mange. You gotta promote your stories, not run them down, know what I'm sayin'?

they were both in the cue before I got the negative reactions in Loving Wives. I put them in the categories they belonged in, and I'm not surprised at bad comments, I'm an acquired taste. I'm surprised that people think any story I put up is somehow autobiographical and they hammer me because I'm not their cup of tea accusing me of being a man hater in the process.

I'm not running my stories down, I let other people handle that LOL

but in fairness to what you are saying, I haven't been good about using Facebook and twitter to promote them of late.

 

[ElectricBlue]

they were both in the cue before I got the negative reactions in Loving Wives.

You're painting the target on your back now, is what I mean, in this thread. If LW readers follow the AH (who knows if they do) you're offering them an invitation to come spit on you, and it'll be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

A wise man sits quietly on a mountain and waits for followers to find him. You're on Hyde Park corner with a megaphone!

 

[MillieDynamite]

You know the oddest thing about the haters, none of them seem to write any stories. Of course, if they post anon, you wouldn't know.

So, I goofed up. Live and learn.

 

[gordo12]

You know the oddest thing about the haters, none of them seem to write any stories. Of course, if they post anon, you wouldn't know.

So, I goofed up. Live and learn.

Yeah, advertising here on AH is like an Instagram invitation to a "parents out of town" party. They'll flock to you.

Once a story is old news, they don't seem to be motivated to diss that.

 

[DaddiYo89]

We have to be careful about trying to shoe-horn all the Loving Wives unpleasantness into one description. It doesn't work that way and it's not true.

An "incel" is someone who doesn't have any sex and who blames women for the fact he's celibate. That describes some of the Loving Wives crowd, but not all of it.

There's another component: men who've been married or in relationships and feel they've been screwed over by their wives or girlfriends and are mad at the system. They enjoy stories where women get their comeuppance because they feel the system works against men. But they're not incels in any meaningful sense.

Then there are authors who write these stories that don't neatly fit in either of these categories. As I've pointed out, Blackrandi writes "revenge against cheating women" stories, and obviously she doesn't fit in these categories. She's not seething with rage about anything, as far as I can tell. There was a site event a little while back featuring these stories, and I don't think any of the authors fit clearly within these stereotypes.

In America, there's no such thing as "hate speech." You're free to hate things or people, and to communicate your hate. Some things and ideas are worth hating. Some aren't, but you're free to hate them anyway. That's what the First Amendment is about. It's not there to protect nice speech; it's there to protect speech that some people can't stand.

What exactly is your issue with black randl

 

[SimonDoom]

What exactly is your issue with black randl

?
I don't have an issue. I don't understand the question.

 

[Comshaw]

You're painting the target on your back now, is what I mean, in this thread. If LW readers follow the AH (who knows if they do) you're offering them an invitation to come spit on you, and it'll be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

A wise man sits quietly on a mountain and waits for followers to find him. You're on Hyde Park corner with a megaphone!

Sometimes. But the majority of times, no matter what will happen, no matter what opposition is thrown in your way, a person must speak out. I think MLK said it best:

“...On some positions, Cowardice asks the question, ’Is it safe?’ Expediency asks the question, ‘Is it politic?’ and Vanity asks the question, ‘Is it popular?’ but Conscience asks the question, ’Is it right?’
And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right...There comes a time when silence is betrayal...”

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Comshaw

 

[lovecraft68]

Sometimes. But the majority of times, no matter what will happen, no matter what opposition is thrown in your way, a person must speak out. I think MLK said it best:

“...On some positions, Cowardice asks the question, ’Is it safe?’ Expediency asks the question, ‘Is it politic?’ and Vanity asks the question, ‘Is it popular?’ but Conscience asks the question, ’Is it right?’
And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right...There comes a time when silence is betrayal...”

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Comshaw

I have been very vocal(AH responds we know, we know) about the incels and I have been outright insulting to the category down to saying multiple times BTB stories are written by trash for trash. I have accused the authors there as being no better than the readership in the rotting cesspool of filth that calls itself LW.

Now, I don't follow my scores the way many here do. Some of my stories-especially older ones-have so many votes it would take more than a few bombs to do much to them-but having said that, I have never seen any type of concerted attack like EB mentioned could be possible. I have gotten a couple of comments on stories that reflect something I said on the board, but few compared to regular comments, and a over the years a small handful of 'tough guy' threats that were sent....anonymous.

But in general I don't think its anything to worry over, and even if it was, as you said, there's times you shouldn't stay silent, because silence is complicit and its also apathy and nothing furthers the advance of hate more than apathy.

Writing a story in LW is more likely to get you that barrage than anything here. I don't think too many of the incels are on the boards. Think about it, you have to read all those words, and reading is hard, and typing with cloven hooves is even harder.

oops, there I go again.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Sometimes. But the majority of times, no matter what will happen, no matter what opposition is thrown in your way, a person must speak out. I think MLK said it best:

“...On some positions, Cowardice asks the question, ’Is it safe?’ Expediency asks the question, ‘Is it politic?’ and Vanity asks the question, ‘Is it popular?’ but Conscience asks the question, ’Is it right?’
And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right...There comes a time when silence is betrayal...”

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Comshaw

I've been attacked by the LW 1-bombers and even some of the other authors from this forum.

So, I'm over worrying about those narrow-minded haters in both venues, because the uncivilized mindless can't be taught or learn.

I'll write what I feel like writing, and even post to LW, if that's where it belongs.

 

[MillieDynamite]

The essence of what a cuckold story should be, as opposed to what it is ... the idea of cuckolding is a female-led relationship. A world where a woman is as free as a man to control her body, to have sex with whom she pleases, and how she pleases. The idea is that the man wants his wife to be happy and fulfilled, no matter his feelings or needs. In the way it should be practiced, it recognizes that all people in love are not compatible in all things. The idea is also that a woman, man, trans, queer, gay, bi, lesbian, and so on has a right to control their destiny. A woman or man is free to sleep with one person, a couple of people, or many people and should not be judged. In reality, James Bond is remarkable with incels, but Jane Bond would be a slut, whore, or worse.

It doesn't even have to be a cuckold story to incur the wrath of the incels. Have a woman who, like a man, acts on urges and is the aggressor, and you've passed into Whoreville.

Incels are free themselves to have sex with either hand they want. Though, I'd prefer they grow a pair and actually find another person to fuck with. They are free to disapprove of whatever they want. If they want to express their displeasure, they need to learn to be respectful in posting. I no longer post in LW, no longer write cuckold requests, and avoid reading new comments on my stories posted there. The real problem with some people is an inability to separate the writer from the narrative, to differentiate between reality and fantasy, or fiction and true stories.

 

[Pureotica]

LW isn't my focus, but I'm planning to post my one story the might fit there in group, because technically the MC isn't married to his partner. Some of the categories are wonky and ambiguous.

Some people recommend [posting cuck stories in fetish. In my one story that vaguely fits, the cuckoldry is the least of the fantastic elements. Not sure what reception I'll get, no matter where I post it.

 

[gordo12]

LW isn't my focus, but I'm planning to post my one story the might fit there in group, because technically the MC isn't married to his partner. Some of the categories are wonky and ambiguous.

Some people recommend [posting cuck stories in fetish. In my one story that vaguely fits, the cuckoldry is the least of the fantastic elements. Not sure what reception I'll get, no matter where I post it.

Laurel said many years ago that girlfriends, fiancees, etc, are ok in LW.

 

[waltdee]

A feminine version called Femcels reflects women expressing the same kind of views, except they want men. (Perhaps both movements should get together )

I died laughing when I readthat.

 

[Lifestyle66]

The essence of what a cuckold story should be, as opposed to what it is ... the idea of cuckolding is a female-led relationship. A world where a woman is as free as a man to control her body, to have sex with whom she pleases, and how she pleases. The idea is that the man wants his wife to be happy and fulfilled, no matter his feelings or needs. In the way it should be practiced, it recognizes that all people in love are not compatible in all things. The idea is also that a woman, man, trans, queer, gay, bi, lesbian, and so on has a right to control their destiny. A woman or man is free to sleep with one person, a couple of people, or many people and should not be judged. In reality, James Bond is remarkable with incels, but Jane Bond would be a slut, whore, or worse.

It doesn't even have to be a cuckold story to incur the wrath of the incels. Have a woman who, like a man, acts on urges and is the aggressor, and you've passed into Whoreville.

Incels are free themselves to have sex with either hand they want. Though, I'd prefer they grow a pair and actually find another person to fuck with. They are free to disapprove of whatever they want. If they want to express their displeasure, they need to learn to be respectful in posting. I no longer post in LW, no longer write cuckold requests, and avoid reading new comments on my stories posted there. The real problem with some people is an inability to separate the writer from the narrative, to differentiate between reality and fantasy, or fiction and true stories.

I'm not opposed to the strong woman aspect of your definition. You can see such a strong female main character (Jan) in all of my stories. (The latest Ch 11 was the only one where I had her show a little more vulnerable side.)

But IMO a cuckhold is a guy who unknowingly raises the kids fathered by an unfaithful wife. Your female-led portion of what you believe is a cuckhold is her unfaithful affair and not telling her husband. And that's not really a strong female, but rather deception and cheating.

A husband wanting his wife to be satisfied, regardless of his own feelings is more of a Dom(f)/sub(m) relationship.

Too many people just throw out the term "cuckhold" in any relationship where the woman is having fun, and that's just wrong.

I don't care for either of those types of stories, or the "burn the bitch" or revenge stories, and I don't think they truly fit in the LW category as "Extra-marital FUN, sharing, and more".

IMO, love and marriage has nothing to do with sex. One is a longer-term emotional relationship, and the other is a physical need which, once satisfied, dissipates. Incels, and for that matter probably most judgmental people, can't tell the difference.

 

[waltdee]

Some people recommend [posting cuck stories in fetish. In my one story that vaguely fits, the cuckoldry is the least of the fantastic elements. Not sure what reception I'll get, no matter where I post it.

I'm a newcomer to Literotica, but I've suggested adding some sort of tag and/or creating some categories to keep the story types apart. Nothing pisses me off more when I get two pages into a story that I think is going to be BTB or RAAC and I find out the guy wants his wife to fuck other men and/or wants to eat out her lover's cum. It's disgusting! (to me)

I see three major types of stories: 1) BTB 2) RAAC 3) Wimpy cuck. Cheating, which some people incorrectly call cuckoldry, happens in every BTB and RAAC story, so a separate category just for cheating/cucking seems overkill. Just create the three categories mentioned and fewer people will complain (I think.)

 

[Lifestyle66]

Nothing pisses me off more when I get two pages into a story that I think is going to be BTB or RAAC and I find out the guy wants his wife to fuck other men and/or wants to eat out her lover's cum. It's disgusting! (to me)

I see three major types of stories: 1) BTB 2) RAAC 3) Wimpy cuck. Cheating, which some people incorrectly call cuckoldry, happens in every BTB and RAAC story, so a separate category just for cheating/cucking seems overkill. Just create the three categories mentioned and fewer people will complain (I think.)

The LW category is defined as "Extra-marital fun, sharing, and more."

So, if stories were posted there which used that definition, you wouldn't find any BTB or RAAC stories in Loving Wives. You should avoid that category, since you would find such fun disgusting.

 

[waltdee]

you wouldn't find any BTB or RAAC stories in Loving Wives.

They are most certainly there. Maybe they should go someplace else.

And it's the willing cuck stories that I find disgusting, not the BTB or RAAC.

 

[Lifestyle66]

They are most certainly there. Maybe they should go someplace else.

And it's the willing cuck stories that I find disgusting, not the BTB or RAAC.

So, you prefer stories about cheating (whether resulting in BTB or RACC). To me, that seems a depressing way to spend my time.

I prefer stories about fun.

But to each his own.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I'm not opposed to the strong woman aspect of your definition. You can see such a strong female main character (Jan) in all of my stories. (The latest Ch 11 was the only one where I had her show a little more vulnerable side.)

But IMO a cuckhold is a guy who unknowingly raises the kids fathered by an unfaithful wife. Your female-led portion of what you believe is a cuckhold is her unfaithful affair and not telling her husband. And that's not really a strong female, but rather deception and cheating.

A husband wanting his wife to be satisfied, regardless of his own feelings is more of a Dom(f)/sub(m) relationship.

Too many people just throw out the term "cuckhold" in any relationship where the woman is having fun, and that's just wrong.

I don't care for either of those types of stories, or the "burn the bitch" or revenge stories, and I don't think they truly fit in the LW category as "Extra-marital FUN, sharing, and more".

IMO, love and marriage has nothing to do with sex. One is a longer-term emotional relationship, and the other is a physical need which, once satisfied, dissipates. Incels, and for that matter probably most judgmental people, can't tell the difference.

You're just wrong on what the modern definition of cuckoldry is. Sorry, you're stuck not in the 20th century but the 19th on Cuckolding.

From an article on Kinkly...

"A cuckold is the husband or boyfriend of a person who has sex with other people. In a modern fetish context, a cuckold is a man who takes pleasure from his partner having sex with other people. The term cuckold is often shortened to cuck.

Traditionally a cuckold was a married man with an unfaithful wife. However, the term now describes any man in a committed relationship who enjoys his partner having sex with other people. Cuckolds may have any sexual identity. The partners of cuckolds and the people they have sex with may be of any gender or sexuality. The term cuckold is the masculine equivalent of cuckquean.

The fetish term comes from the biological term cuckold, which is a male who unwittingly raises another male’s offspring. The term comes from the cuckoo, a bird that lays its eggs in the nests of other birds. The other birds then unwittingly raise the cuckoo’s offspring, despite having no biological connection to them. Originally the term cuckold described a man duped by his adulterous wife. However, most modern-day cuckolds are willing participants in their partner’s non-monogamy. They may organize dates for their partner or watch them have sex with other people."

And whether you approve of a man who is willingly a cuckold or not, they exist and happy in their little pig pin and don't require you're or my approval. Cuckoldry is part of the BDSM lifestyle, and there are very active participants in every state and major city in the country. Probably a lot in not-so-major cities as well. Like everyone in the BDSM and or Swinging lifestyles, they keep their heads down and mind their own business.