Looking back, looking ahead. GWB.

[smartnsassy]

"Second, I showed the people of Texas that I'm a uniter, not a divider. I refuse to play the politics of putting people into groups and pitting one group against another."

"A third priority is to promote the peace. America must be strong enough and willing to promote peace."

"I understand good people can disagree on issues."

"I think that each person ought to be judged by their heart and by their soul and by their contribution to society. Group-thought will balkanize our society, and I have rejected the politics of pitting one group of persons against another."

"It is essential that the next president be someone who understands America has an important role to play in promoting peace and to encourage others to understand the value of freedom, of free speech, free religion and the importance of the rule of law."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/05/06/bush/

This was George W Bush on the campain trail in 1999. I found some of his comments to be real interesting in retrospect. It's probably not anything you don't already know, but what most interests me is that this is an article that ran in Salon News of all places!

Author David Horowitz had this to say about the candidate:

I like George Bush. He has a strong set of core convictions, including a significant religious faith, but he is also genuinely tolerant, open and warm-hearted toward people with whom he disagrees.

 

[smartnsassy]

He also implied (but didn't really say) reasurance that he wouldn't be pushing his religious values onto others, and would be looking for common ground in these and other issues.



If the mainstream media was biased in regard to Bush this year (and I think it was) maybe it's because it has been there from the begining and it was paying more attention than the rest of us. (Though by us, I obviously don't mean shereads and many others on this forum.)


Hmm, would these comments be considered 'flip flops' or 'waffles'? I guess not, because we all know that GWB is a plain talking man who does what he always said he would. Of course.

 

[smartnsassy]

It's your right to decide where you stand on the issues of abortion, poverty and corporate welfare. But regardless of your position on these issues, it should be disturbing to note that Bush is beginning his Presidency by consistently aligning himself with tiny minorities. By working against the wishes of and without regard to the circumstances of a majority of Americans, he brings into question his Inaugural commitment to be "the President of All Americans." Even in his first week, the Uniter Divides.

http://www.irregulartimes.com/uniterdivides.html

 

[smartnsassy]

He also said that the government couldn't change hearts and attitudes- and then moved to dump a bunch of money into programs to encourage people to marry and to stay that way.

"Well, government can't change attitude. Government can lead -- a leader can lead and convince people, but there's no law that makes people love each other."

 

[Guest]

Fuck off to the Genral board, you twitering clown.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

Fuck off to the Genral board, you twitering clown.

With THAT spelling of twittering, smartnsassy should say."You first!"

 

[smartnsassy]

Hmm, I guess nobody recognizes me with this mask on.

--Sweetnpetite


On the plus side, I finally understood something that Chilly said.

(Did we ban political threads from the AH while I was gone?)

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Not banned SnP. there was just a profusion of them the day after and I think a lot of folks are too disgusted or too burned out on it right now to jump into another one.

*HUGS*

 

[smartnsassy]

Fuck off to the Genral board, you twitering clown.

I hope you realize that I am pointing out inconsistancies, not agreeing with him or defending him.

If I had posted as sweet, I think that it would have been obvious, but I forget sometimes what a difference a familliar face makes.

 

[Guest]

VB: Fuck off.

On the plus side, I finally understood something that Chilly said.

(Did we ban political threads from the AH while I was gone?)

I knew it was you, off course. Your earlier thread went down off the first page with 0 reply (because usually I'm the one make the first post).

What did I say once?

(Shall I put you on ignored list, then? Do PM me the list of your user IDs, because I can't keep track of how many you have)

Oh, I see. Colly got on the redicule CV thread. Have fun.

 

[Guest]

I forget sometimes what a difference a familliar face makes.

G*d you and your riddles. Wanker.

 

[smartnsassy]

Not banned SnP. there was just a profusion of them the day after and I think a lot of folks are too disgusted or too burned out on it right now to jump into another one.

*HUGS*

At least someone recognized me.


Yeah, I guess I realize that at this point it's all beside the point, but it's really bugging me listening to the news (particularly fox, why do I torture myself?) and hearing these people complaining about the loosing side is calling Americans stupid. I realize it's not constructive, but what else do you say about people who claim that values was the or one of the most important factors and then vote for someone who lies about reasons for war, lies about justification for war, lies about not having a litmus test for judges, and claims to be a uniter when the country is completly polarized. (But of course those of us who don't agree with him don't really count- we're liberal- we're elite- we don't need to be united, we need to be gagged!)

It's going to be a tough 4 years. Especially for me. (Living with a Bush supporter and all that.)

Contrast- "Good people can disagree on issues" with

"Your for us or against us."

Well, when you put it that way...

 

[smartnsassy]

VB: Fuck off.


I knew it was you, off course. Your earlier thread went down off the first page with 0 reply (because usually I'm the one make the first post).

What did I say once?

(Shall I put you on ignored list, then? Do PM me the list of your user IDs, because I can't keep track of how many you have)

Oh, I see. Colly got on the redicule CV thread. Have fun.

Well, you know we love you.

I should have known you knew- what was I thinking? I'm supposed to be 'smart' It says so in my name!

Oh well.

Speaking of ID's, PM me with yours too. I just know you gotta be here somewhere!

heh.

 

[smartnsassy]

G*d you and your riddles. Wanker.

IF I could sneak into the year
An intercallary day
I'd celebrate my love for you
alone with modesty
Yet depression would set in
because your heart is far away
So I'd sit alone and binge
On chocolate parfait!

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

V B Fuckoff ....

Is that one of your long-winded f**king Roosian novelists?

 

[Guest]

IF I could sneak into the year
An intercallary day
I'd celebrate my love for you
alone with modesty
Yet depression would set in
because your heart is far away
So I'd sit alone and binge
On chocolate parfait!

 

[Guest]

Is that one of your long-winded f**king Roosian novelists?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

At least someone recognized me.


Yeah, I guess I realize that at this point it's all beside the point, but it's really bugging me listening to the news (particularly fox, why do I torture myself?) and hearing these people complaining about the loosing side is calling Americans stupid. I realize it's not constructive, but what else do you say about people who claim that values was the or one of the most important factors and then vote for someone who lies about reasons for war, lies about justification for war, lies about not having a litmus test for judges, and claims to be a uniter when the country is completly polarized. (But of course those of us who don't agree with him don't really count- we're liberal- we're elite- we don't need to be united, we need to be gagged!)

It's going to be a tough 4 years. Especially for me. (Living with a Bush supporter and all that.)

Contrast- "Good people can disagree on issues" with

"Your for us or against us."

Well, when you put it that way...

Liberals took the very same attitude, you're either for us or agaisnt us. They tried to keep Nadar off ballots, they pushed vicious attacks like Farenheight 9/11 with the relish of Rush fans when he is blasting a target. As much as the GOP, they wanted this to be an us vs. them ballot and they got their wish. Most of their current shock and despondancy is because they realized there are more of them than us. The youth vote they so eagerly courted and which was supposed to make the difference for them, came to the concerts, came to the movies, took advantage of all that was offered, but they didn't come to the polls.

Calling those who voted differently than you stupid is not doing anything to ease the divicivness in the country, or to court those who will be your opponents or supporters in two years.

I didn't vote for Kerry. For taking the position that both were odious liberals here blasted me. My intelligence was insulted with such farcical statements as a vote for anoyone other than Kerry is a vote for bush. Liberal men tried to tell me how I should be thinking, not only as a woman, but as a lesbian. How insufferably arrogant is that? These same men then tried to tell me how the GOP is demaning to women. News flash, if you, a man , are telling me how I should think and how I am stupid for not thinking that way, you're being pretty effing demeaning.

The people who voted for Bush are not lacking intelligence. By and large they simply subscribe to a different value set. The worst mistake liberals can make is calling them stupid for not sharing their value set.

Simply put, when you attack people's religion, they will usually respond. When you attack their tradions and cultural norms, they will respond. When you attack their intelligence they will respond. South of the mason Dixion line, in large part, the Democrats social engineering agenda is seen to attack people's religion, their cultureal norms and their way of life. Each big mouth liberal who writes of their stupidity or speaks about it on televison or radio, is attacking them personally to boot.

Liberals right now are paving the way for their next electoral defeat, by making sure they burn all bridges and completly alienate anyone who dosen't share their views.

The very people they are calling stupid today, will be the ones they are trying to "reach out too" in two years when midterm senate seats are up for grabs. You can bet everyone of those editorials on how stupid Bush supporters are will get big time play from Rove & the boys.

For the party that is supposed to be intellectual, they are acting pretty vapidly stupid. The intellectual position would be to look at the staggering defeats in the last eight years and do some introspection on what is going wrong. Instead they call names, make vague threats about moving to Canada or console themselves by telling each other what morons their opposition is. That's a perfect recipe to make sure they don't gain anything in the mid-term elections either.

-Colly

 

[scheherazade_79]

Tarten Riwbob

Servings: 8

----------------------------------FILLING----------------------------------
1 lb Rhubarb, sliced 4 oz Sugar
1 x Water
-----------------------------------PASTRY-----------------------------------
8 oz Flour 4 oz Fat
1 oz Sugar 1 t Cinnamon
1 x Pinch mixed spice 1 x Water

Line a plate or shallow tin with half the pastry. Fill with fruit, cover with sugar and add a little water. Cover with the rest of the pastry and bake for 45 minutes.

Oven control: Gas mark 6 (400F) for 20 minutes, then down to Gas Mark 4 (350F) to finish.

All kinds of plate tarts with pastry top and bottom are popular in Wales. Apples, plums, gooseberries, or mixtures of any kinds of fruits in season can be used.

Croeso Cymreig.

 

[matriarch]

Now THAT'S..............what I call a thread hijack.

Sounds yummy.


Wicked Sheh

 

[Guest]

Tarten Riwbob

Servings: 8

----------------------------------FILLING----------------------------------
1 lb Rhubarb, sliced 4 oz Sugar
1 x Water
-----------------------------------PASTRY-----------------------------------
8 oz Flour 4 oz Fat
1 oz Sugar 1 t Cinnamon
1 x Pinch mixed spice 1 x Water

Line a plate or shallow tin with half the pastry. Fill with fruit, cover with sugar and add a little water. Cover with the rest of the pastry and bake for 45 minutes.

Oven control: Gas mark 6 (400F) for 20 minutes, then down to Gas Mark 4 (350F) to finish.

All kinds of plate tarts with pastry top and bottom are popular in Wales. Apples, plums, gooseberries, or mixtures of any kinds of fruits in season can be used.

Croeso Cymreig.

Random recipies! Gotta love that!