Let's play: Stroker or Not?

[onehitwanda]

Accessibility Compliance

Boo. Hiss. Totally not a stroker. You made my jaw ache from the stupid, soppy grin. Get the fuck out of this thread.

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

I'm struggling to understand why a short sexual scenario ceases to be a stroker when the characters have a bit of depth, and especially if that's expressed through an inner monologue?

Character makes the scenario. You can't divorce them.

I'd argue that short sexual scenarios only stop being strokers (or purely strokers) when there's some additional concept woven into the scenario that encourages the reader to spend significant mental energy reflecting on that too. It would be quite difficult to maintain an erection if you were also trying to work through the trolley problem:

Five hot people are having an orgy on the train tracks; a single person - also very hot - is masturbating on a side track; a runaway train is hurtling towards them. You can pull a lever to divert the train onto the side track. You have one hand on your cock and one hand on the lever - which one do you jerk?

 

[onehitwanda]

Five hot people are having an orgy on the train tracks; a single person - also very hot - is masturbating on a side track; a runaway train is hurtling towards them. You can pull a lever to divert the train onto the side track. You have one hand on your cock and one hand on the lever - which one do you jerk?

Neither. As the superior gender, I have already anticipated this scenario. I use the thermite in my toolkit to cut the tracks, and derail the train far enough up from the points to ensure that the ensuing conflagration kills absolutely everyone.

 

[Statius]

Neither. As the superior gender, I have already anticipated this scenario. I use the thermite in my toolkit to cut the tracks, and derail the train far enough up from the points to ensure that the ensuing conflagration kills absolutely everyone.

You are brutal! But funny as fuck! I like it.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I'll submit my series, "Before They Were Stars". You can select the future starlet that appeals to you the most.

We'll start with Scarlet Red. This cute blonde was once simply an adventurous young girl from Colorado. This is the fictional tale of her journey to becoming the popular porn actress.

Next is Michelle Pfeiffer. The aspiring actress wants to lose her virginity but is concerned about who she can trust to protect the defloration event from ever becoming back to haunt her.

Amy Smart and Ali Larter are best friends weaving their way through Europe as young models. While not completely innocent, they are certainly not prepared for the sexual adventures that meeting the handsome and wealthy Steve Goldwyn, of the movie studio Goldwyns, brings to their lives.

Deborah Norville is a mere journalism intern at a television station in Atlanta when the marriage of her mentor disintegrates. This older man takes the time to teach her far more than how to know which camera to focus on.

Addie Andrews is a sexually repressed Mormon girl living in Salt Lake City who happens upon her high school crush at a symposium. Inclimate weather strands them together in his hotel room, where her sexual awakening begins and her future career as a porn actress is forged.

Finally, Angie Harmon. The beautiful and popular recent high school graduate learns that she has one remaining obligation from her days on the drill team. Fulfilling this obligation without ruining her budding modeling career proves easier than she imagined.

All six episodes have significant "stroker" action coupled with an interesting and realistic-sounding tale that makes you question whether it could have actually happened as described.

 

[Bamagan]

I'm struggling to understand why a short sexual scenario ceases to be a stroker when the characters have a bit of depth, and especially if that's expressed through an inner monologue?

Character makes the scenario. You can't divorce them.

I'd argue that short sexual scenarios only stop being strokers (or purely strokers) when there's some additional concept woven into the scenario that encourages the reader to spend significant mental energy reflecting on that too. It would be quite difficult to maintain an erection if you were also trying to work through the trolley problem:

Five hot people are having an orgy on the train tracks; a single person - also very hot - is masturbating on a side track; a runaway train is hurtling towards them. You can pull a lever to divert the train onto the side track. You have one hand on your cock and one hand on the lever - which one do you jerk?

I don't know why people express so much consternation about the trolley problem. The best solution is to let the five idiots walking, or in this version fucking, on train tracks pay their dues.

Edit: Okay, the best solution that doesn't involve thermite or other ACME products.

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

Neither. As the superior gender, I have already anticipated this scenario. I use the thermite in my toolkit to cut the tracks, and derail the train far enough up from the points to ensure that the ensuing conflagration kills absolutely everyone.

Fair enough - but do you still have your hand down your pants? There's the rub, so to speak.

 

[onehitwanda]

Fair enough - but do you still have your hand down your pants? There's the rub, so to speak.

Not until afterwards. Catastrophe porn is so hot right now.

 

[Statius]

Not until afterwards. Catastrophe porn is so hot right now.

Time to change your name to Mugatu

 

[onehitwanda]

Time to change your name to Mugatu

I do feel like I'm taking crazy pills a whole lot of the time.

 

[Statius]

I do feel like I'm taking crazy pills a whole lot of the time.

Same. Especially at work

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

Not until afterwards. Catastrophe porn is so hot right now.

So, I think we have our answer: blood-soaked trolley-orgy-massacre is not, technically, a stroker!

 

[StillStunned]

So anyway...

 

[iwatchus]

Neither. As the superior gender, I have already anticipated this scenario. I use the thermite in my toolkit to cut the tracks, and derail the train far enough up from the points to ensure that the ensuing conflagration kills absolutely everyone.

I have heard of running a thread off track, but this is going overboard.

 

[yowser]

This is an interesting thought experiment in what I imagine will be a perennial debate (check back in five years anyone?)

Often, particularly with male writers (over-generalisation quite likely here) as a reader you can see a writer's career efforts evolve over time. When they transition from generating what, for lack of a better phrase, one might call a 'porn script' to an actual story, with either developed characters or a plot arc (or both) then you have a nice evolution taking place.

A few years ago I did Super Thighs Me, with a fairly simple initial set up: music festival, two folks dealing with mutual attraction, and how they finally connect.

Pros for stroker consideration: setting is ripe for arousal between consenting adults, big breasts and ardent erections involved, body parts outlined in vivid detail, a lust-driven male, extensive sexual descriptions.

Cons: Interesting characters with skewed motivations, buxom woman is not only not passive but stubborn (insists on a condom before consummation which causes all manner of drama), an ambiguous ending (one commenter said 'sweet and sad').

I'm on the fence. Less nuance than most of my more recent efforts, but definitely not a porn script.

 

[Statius]

I have heard of running a thread off track, but this is going overboard.

Mixing transportation metaphors? Is that legal?

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

Mixing transportation metaphors? Is that legal?

I believe @iwatchus is traveling by train to Messina from Napoli - aren't you, iwatchus? - so those metaphors make perfect sense.

 

[Bamagan]

Ah-hah!
Let's say @iwatchus takes a train from Messina to Napoli departing at 12:35 local time. At 1:10 local time, @Statius boards a helicopter in Napoli to airdrop orgiastic bimbos and himbos onto the tracks. Where, and at what time, does @onehitwanda attack?
Remember to show your calculations.

 

[Comshaw]

Trying to find the dividing line between a storker and non-stroker is akin to this math problem:






Comshaw

 

[onehitwanda]

train from Messina to Napoli

A train that goes on water is a boat.

 

[StillStunned]

A train that goes on water is a boat.

If I remember correctly, it's not that far from Messina to mainland Italy. If the train is going fast enough it should manage without breaking the surface tension of the sea.

But anyway...

 

[onehitwanda]

If I remember correctly, it's not that far from Messina to mainland Italy. If the train is going fast enough it should manage without breaking the surface tension of the sea.

But anyway...

5km or so. That's a good couple of skips.

 

[Bamagan]

5km or so. That's a good couple of skips.

That's what the bimbos are for. If they're too busy giving head to notice, gravity is suspended and the train glides across the gap.

 

[StillStunned]

5km or so. That's a good couple of skips.

That sounds doable, with a bit of... training.

 

[Duleigh]

My Halloween story, Flying Monkey was designed to straddle the line, be a red hot stroker AND a horror story. I have always known that a stroker is nothing more than a plotless piece of a story. A writer can take a stroker and drop it into an actual story. To be a story you need all the right bits: characters, setting, plot, conflict, and resolution. The stroker only needs Characters and Resolution (Generally a cigarette in the dark and a promise to call next time the spouse is out of town.) And I've always thought that a stroker should be under 5,000 words.

I designed Flying Monkey for LW so it's short (Hand lotion only lasts so long) and I used small words. It's 100% Twilight Zone. A veteran returns from Afghanistan and finds a huge party in his house he ends up trapped in a closet and watches his wife have red hot sex with his best friend. Spring the big surprise - add a little post climax (heh heh) exposition, story is over. All the bits are there, characters, setting, plot, conflict, and resolution, but the setting and plot are very abbreviated, it's almost all character and conflict followed by 300 words of resolution. 4500 words total. Why do I say a stroker should be under 5000 words? Because it takes 20 minutes to read 5000 words, that's 3 times longer than an LW reader needs to get what he wants out of a story.

Damn! I can't believe how I overestimated the LW reader! Somehow one goof thought it was the veteran that was cheating. If he bothered to READ the story he would have found that NOBODY was cheating. I knew starting both men's names with J was going to be too much for someone. Oh well, I am happy with the story and that's what counts.