Let me explain how censorship works and why this website will eventually be shut down

Markov Cain

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I teach martial arts 6 days a week and on the seventh I usually travel to study with various of my teachers. Currently in several states, New Jersey being the most organized, our industry is under attack by those who want to regulate it.

Do they want to regulate it because of the violent nature of the martial arts?

No. They want to regulate it because of out all of the thousands of instructors in the states, they have two cases of pedophilia or attempted pedophilia. But it is just a ploy, just incrementalism.

The forces of censorship are going after this industry first because it is so small and lacking the resources to fight back.

And just like the seatbelt laws, and many other intrusions in our life, the forces of censorship begin by making the world safe for children.

Once they have precedent, then they move on to dance schools, little league, etc.

Instead of simply puting the onus on parents, the burden gets placed on the industry.

[Parents are the key and the problem. I have never been asked to provided credentials. People choose thier child's activity based on convienience and price and often do not even hang around to see what goes on in the dojo, dojang, or kwoon. I also want to point out that the parent is also under attack in our society and the forces of big government increasingly want to step in and take over the responsibility of parenting.]

So you see, once a few victories are chalked up in the name of stopping pedophiles, which of course, everyone wants to do, it's just a natural, gut reaction to anyone who is or has been a parent, then it becomes easier and easier to go after bigger industries and more freedoms.

I can see the handwriting on the wall which is why I say they will use the stories of one of the heroes of the board against the board despite anyone's protestations of innocence. Once the forces are set in motion, they take on a life of thier own, because to argue for freedom of speech, thought, and art will be characterized as an assault on the children of America.

To be a defender of this site will be to become a de facto pedophile.
 
like I have said before..when someone talks about making somethign safe for children, check into it thoroughly and fight it if possible

The only thing that will make children safer is better parents
 
It's hard to blame parents when you see the constant bombardment of scare stories that they are subject to. Bad news sells advertisement. Bad news helps advance the socialist agenda of the left. Bad news makes us much more willing to surrender our rights in order to feel safer. Perception is everything.
 
the less parents listen to child experts and such, the better parents they are

i have never seen worse parents than those with psychological expertise
 
Censorship is........

a silent symphony.......

Blaring forth......

From the ignorant, the misinformed and the frightened.

As long as certain social groups, large enough to have any sort of vocality at all - form/rally around any subject they find objectionalbe or are frightened of........

There will continue, censorship - to be.

The only hope is to inform, to enlighten and to educate, thus preventing misinformation and fear.

And......

This "teaching" merely starts - with parenting.
 
Brass Eye

THose in the UK should check out the fury generated by the media over a TV Special of "Brass Eye."

For those who missed it, it was a 'spoof' documentary on Paedophilia. It satirised the overblown media reaction to paedophilic issues (sp?) in such a way that almost EVERY trash newpaper and news website failed to spot the irony and attacked them for promoting and making fun of paedophilia.

(Anyone actually viewing the programme will have spotted that it ook an anti-paedophilia view, but when;s that stopped tabloids?)

In this day and age, if they target Lit, then there would be a lot of trouble. Imagine them picking over SRPG for some juicy entries...

Bill Hicks was right all along. Sit back America, your Government is in control. Here's American Gladiators. Drink Beer and get fat and lazy...
 
american gladiators is still on?....cool, chicks wrestling!


Most of the time people criticize and they never even saw it.

Got to protect the children, you know
 
i dont know anything about your industry or the regulations they are proposing Markov Cain ... so i will only make a very broad comment on it excuse me if im wrong :)


i think its good to do have regulation in that theres some cases where people who have been suspected or convicted even of sex offenses end up being able to get jobs where there very close to children ... any job where people are placed in positions of trust looking over children they should have a perfect history


i also think that censorship is needed sometimes ... but often the fear and panic caused by scaremongering can be worse then any real danger


having said that why are you scaremongering Markov about the closing of this site ... i see no reasonable arguement put forward as to why you think this site would be closed
 
the problem with shutting this site down is the violation of the first amendment it would entail...it's good to know that such a rock solid law is in place and that it overrides others. Most of the time, even conservative Supreme Courts have upheld the right to view pornography...you can prosecute someone that steps over the line and creates libel, but only after the fact. Near v. Minnesota protects journalists and writers from that so I imagine it protects pornography in the same way..shutting down a site would constitute prior restraint, but I imagine it could be possible to force sites to strike certain stories if they are over a certain line
 
UK sexy

Because Laurel always has a knee-jerk reaction when it comes to conservatives. She believes they are out to get her and her site when really the man she belives should be president tried to censor the music industry and the man she believes should be vice president wants to go after Hollywood.

To this end, I keep trying to point out to her that her best friends and the true defenders of the first amendment are us red-neck, gun-toting, second amendment adherents. We want our free speech much more than her friends on the left.

Hence, like a scared kitten, we keep trying, using every available method to talk and coax her down out of her tree...
 
im sure Laurel deserves alot more credit then what your willing to give her describing her as a scared kitty is alittle unfair i think :) ... im sure she has to put up with all sorts of crap and difficulties while running this site ... and shes done an excellant job so far


i think both bush and gore have talked of "controling" the internet and making it a safer place ... i think a site like this would be safe though ... neither gore or bush would try to get rid of all pornography off the internet ... they would face such a backlash it would be unreal ... i dont know who would try to clamp down on it more the democrats or conservatives but i think you can never tell what a party/president will do until they get into power :)
 
Ok, right wingers!

Gore was a fucking idiot, ok? He would have wanted to shut down literotica, I don't doubt it. You stole the election from him. The Dems won't be nominating him again. He's not the problem. A lot of us are quietly glad to wave goodbye. Satisfied?

The problems are Bush & Ashcroft. They are in power. They are gunning for everything I like about our fab culture. Let's deal with it, huh? Let's defend that precious First Amendement, espcially insofar as we fucking use it every day..
 
I hate it when people do this- trivialise a serious thread that is, but I just love the irony of the opening statement that martial artists are the people least able to defend themselves!
So from your side of the pond, it feels as if it is the liberal tendency who are the greatest threat to freedom, whereas from here, after the experience of the Thatcher era, it is the reactionaries who are the worst danger.
Isn't it the truth that the danger to freedom comes from careerism in politicians? For the up and coming politician it is vital to be seen to "do something about it" whatever "it" is. The result is a tighter and tighter mesh of laws about us all.
If I was a communist I'd call for a revolution, if I was a redneck, I'd say "string 'em all up". Hmm!
"Something's gotta change" (The Stranglers)
 
[I’m sure Laurel deserves a lot more credit then what your willing to give her describing her as a scared kitty is a little unfair I think ... I’m sure she has to put up with all sorts of crap and difficulties while running this site ... and she’s done an excellent job so far.]

Yes and whenever she gets down about politics, I am there to pick her up, (and Lavy,et. al.), and tell them, get up, fight, get back in it. If you believe in it, fight for it. She just likes kitties, so I choose that, metaphor (correct word?). I am both her number one supported and pain in the side, or at least try to be.

Rambling Man reinforces a point that I have made to her several times about conservative judges in America and the first amendment and for that I thank him.

I give Laurel a lot of credit. So far. But I will work to win over her and other’s thinking. That is one of the reasons I always want to pick her and others up. A discouraged opponent will rest up and the fight again. I always want an opponent right back up on their feet so that I can crush them (figuratively in this case, otherwise in the ring). You never want to give a good opponent the idea that they want to take another crack at you.

Darowyn, you lost me on your point. If you are saying it is ironic that as a group, fighters cannot defend themselves, that is a point well taken, but no group can stand up to the power and might of the US government, or even, for that matter, a state government once they begin to bring all of their resources to bear.

One thing that escapes me is why one who always defends his work and searches for plagiarism as so far been silent on the matter. I wonder if I have hit too hard?
 
Who are you talking about? I haven't seen you hit anything "hard" yet. So far this seems like much ado about nothing.
 
Re: Ok, right wingers!

shadowsource said:
Gore was a fucking idiot, ok? He would have wanted to shut down literotica, I don't doubt it. You stole the election from him. The Dems won't be nominating him again. He's not the problem. A lot of us are quietly glad to wave goodbye. Satisfied?

The problems are Bush & Ashcroft. They are in power. They are gunning for everything I like about our fab culture. Let's deal with it, huh? Let's defend that precious First Amendement, espcially insofar as we fucking use it every day..


You're right, Gore IS an idiot! He claimed to have invented the internet, .......... anyone out there remember that little slip from his illiterate hole of a mouth?

But alas, I have to totally disagree with this stolen election crap! That theory doesn't hold water! The only counties in Florida that the Gore camp contested were all run by, guess who? Why, Democrats of course! If you wan't to call it a stolen election, that's your opinion based upon what you believe.......... Ever see a movie called "Wag the Dog"?........ same scenario here, only you believed what the spin doctors wanted you to believe. Such a pity really. The only way for this whole deal to have never been compromised in the first place would have been for the Gore camp to contest the election in the entire state of Florida and have a STATEWIDE re-count, but then again, hey, that would have been too much like the right thing to do.

As for Bush, he wasn't my first choice for Prez either, but at least the man can do the job........... and with the team he has in place to support him, I think everyone around the globe will be surprised at how good his first term in the Oval Office will be.

But hey, at least they aren't calling it the "Oval Orifice" anymore!

:D
 
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Re: Ok, right wingers!

Originally posted by shadowsource
...You stole the election from him...
I'm glad to see you won't let facts influence your chosen opinion. Reinforces my faith in the Liberal Left.
 
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