Lesbian incest!

[Wyldfire]

I know, that actually was the appendex I was thinking of.

He he he oh you mean the appendici that were written once the lawmakers started seein sister in laws they wanted ta bed?

 

[Dr. Tentakelliebe]

So sorry but you're talking to a bunch of "Yanks" I do believe. I'm not going to even start on some of the topics you bring up because this isn't the thread to debate them. I don't really care where you are from or anything, I just think it's morally wrong for sex to be anywhere in the family besides the parents. And by the way, I'm poly. where does that fit into the discussion? I have a legal husband and an emotional wife.

I would like to clairify, I am not advocating incest.

Lol, I did not mean to get off on a prochoice debate, I was trying (poorly I would conclude) to show how our background is affecting how we approach this. I am myself a philologist, etymologist, pre-modernist, philosopher, historian, and old old olde school christian. I am just bring up the issue, I simplely saw the name of the thread and wished to explore the concept.

as for your polygamy, I fail to see how that is an issue. As I say I am a very old school christian and in the strictest sense, polygamy is acceptable, monogamy was pagan in origin. And if one takes issue with your same sex wife, well let's face facts that laws against homosexuality are in the appedix, but how many others violate many of the ten commandments.
From a genetic point of view since you are married to a male as well (i assume you are female) then you will still beable to pass on your genes to the next generation so no problem their.

What I find most intersting is why you brought it up.

 

[Dr. Tentakelliebe]

He he he oh you mean the appendici that were written once the lawmakers started seein sister in laws they wanted ta bed?

yep those

 

[Wyldfire]

I would like to clairify, I am not advocating incest.

Lol, I did not mean to get off on a prochoice debate, I was trying (poorly I would conclude) to show how our background is affecting how we approach this. I am myself a philologist, etymologist, pre-modernist, philosopher, historian, and old old olde school christian. I am just bring up the issue, I simplely saw the name of the thread and wished to explore the concept.

as for your polygamy, I fail to see how that is an issue. As I say I am a very old school christian and in the strictest sense, polygamy is acceptable, monogamy was pagan in origin. And if one takes issue with your same sex wife, well let's face facts that laws against homosexuality are in the appedix, but how many others violate many of the ten commandments.
From a genetic point of view since you are married to a male as well (i assume you are female) then you will still beable to pass on your genes to the next generation so no problem their.

What I find most intersting is why you brought it up.

To be honest? I brought it up to expand the debate a little. And to let people know that I am bi so the homosexuality issue was a nonissue to me.

I'm a woman BTW.

 

[Etoile]

are you high?

I am more getting the impression that English is not the first language here. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[robbie_boy1]

I am talking from a moral one, Yanks have a tradition of sticking their "holier than thou" noses in everyone elses buisness. Not to mention I think there are some definite inconsistancies in the American Philosophy "let's protect marriage by making it unconstitutional for people who are in love to marry," "protect the unborn child but kill the infidel," "kill the fetus, and save the serial-killer," and my favorite "democracy and freedom of speech for everyone, unless they disagree with us" I am not talking about whether it is a codified issue, I just think Americans are far too conservitive to be used as a moral base line.

but I could be wrong.

I need to laugh, the only time people of your ilt seem to say anything against our country is when we have a belief system. You never refuse our hard earned cash. Now I am not sure about your place of origin but are you from the neatherlands? I am a Yank, but do not group me into the group think that you are trying to group all yanks into. In truth, most of us yanks could care less if you are screwing your sister, brother, or dueling with banjos...all I care about is you are not a sibbling of mine...if so your plot would be paid for...and I say that in the most loving and concerned way......best of luck to you and yours.......I don't agree with your thinking....if you wish fuck your sister and brother go for it....I hope they slap the shit out of you and if they do would you post pics? LOL...How do you like me now?

 

[Wyldfire]

yep those

I thought so............

 

[Dr. Tentakelliebe]

I am more getting the impression that English is not the first language here. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

well English as much as south eastern dialect is English, which suprisingly has more in common with Shakespearean English than Modern British English or any other American Dialect. I am also greatly influenced my years studing Latin, a beautiful and robust language.

 

[robbie_boy1]

well English as much as south eastern dialect is English, which suprisingly has more in common with Shakespearean English than Modern British English or any other American Dialect. I am also greatly influenced my years studing Latin, a beautiful and robust language.

LATIN........is not robust, it is a dead language......et tu Brute..........lmao...*falls on my own knife*

 

[Etoile]

well English as much as south eastern dialect is English, which suprisingly has more in common with Shakespearean English than Modern British English or any other American Dialect. I am also greatly influenced my years studing Latin, a beautiful and robust language.

Perhaps you could clarify for me - where are you from? "South eastern" doesn't really mean much without that basic introductory info.

 

[Etoile]

LATIN........is not robust, it is a dead language......et tu Brute..........lmao...*falls on my own knife*

Ah, Latin itself may be dead, but don't forget that it's the origin for many, many English words.

 

[Dr. Tentakelliebe]

I need to laugh, the only time people of your ilt seem to say anything against our country is when we have a belief system. You never refuse our hard earned cash. Now I am not sure about your place of origin but are you from the neatherlands? I am a Yank, but do not group me into the group think that you are trying to group all yanks into. In truth, most of us yanks could care less if you are screwing your sister, brother, or dueling with banjos...all I care about is you are not a sibbling of mine...if so your plot would be paid for...and I say that in the most loving and concerned way......best of luck to you and yours.......I don't agree with your thinking....if you wish fuck your sister and brother go for it....I hope they slap the shit out of you and if they do would you post pics? LOL...How do you like me now?

regardless of your age you are still a child, I use the word yank as chris rock used nigger, there are americans and then there are yanks. If you are not open to understanding the nature homosexual incest, please enlighten me as to why you are here.

 

[Dr. Tentakelliebe]

Perhaps you could clarify for me - where are you from? "South eastern" doesn't really mean much without that basic introductory info.

ah you have me there Thank you, I am from the Deep South of the US, I have lived here my whole life thus far.


PS My condolences on the loss of your cat

 

[robbie_boy1]

regardless of your age you are still a child, I use the word yank as chris rock used nigger, there are americans and then there are yanks. If you are not open to understanding the nature homosexual incest, please enlighten me as to why you are here.

Oh, I am in the glbt forum...and I am far from a child, are you saying you are a nigger and like chris rock? Are you saying that americans like incest and yanks don't or visa versa? If you are to stupid to realize that this forum is for anyone who has the ability to post then I feel sorry for you...you have the mind of a minnow....but I may be blowing that up a tad...have a good day or not

 

[robbie_boy1]

Oh, I am in the glbt forum...and I am far from a child, are you saying you are a nigger and like chris rock? Are you saying that americans like incest and yanks don't or visa versa? If you are to stupid to realize that this forum is for anyone who has the ability to post then I feel sorry for you...you have the mind of a minnow....but I may be blowing that up a tad...have a good day or not

Found your deep thoughts on your site, care to adlib?

 

[Dr. Tentakelliebe]

To be honest? I brought it up to expand the debate a little. And to let people know that I am bi so the homosexuality issue was a nonissue to me.

I'm a woman BTW.

If find it interesting that you see bisexuality as something separate from homosexuality, am I to assume that you see it as separate from heterosexuality?

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Wow, I just read through this thread, and concluded this: There are some smart, insightful people here, who are thoughtful in both senses of the word.

Further: I think Mike260 probably has it exactly right. (I have posted the key passages below.) He acknowledges that there may be rare exceptions to his observation that parent-child incest is always psychologically damaging, even between consenting adults. I suspect those exceptions are rare indeed, and that 99 percent of those who think they are one of them are deluding themselves.

Further, I conclude that Lust2Learn may truly be that rarest of the rare, someone who thinks no harm was done, and is correct. (Pasted below.) She was 30 years old at the time she had sex with her mother, so as “grown up” as a person is likely to get. Presumably her mom was at least 50, maybe as much as 65.

There does come a point where the nurturing aspect of a parent-child relationship can take a decidedly back-seat position to a friendship relation. In most cases there is probably a mixture of the two. (Leaving out children who hate their parents, for good reasons or ill.)

So if the adult-child and parent are mostly friends, with just traces of the original nurturing relationship remaining, it’s possible to conceive of a situation in which sex between them is not psychologically harmful. Again, this must be exceedingly rare.

Given this, the lesson surely must be, “Don’t try this at home, kids.”

Useful conceptual tool:
“Eudaimonia,” roughly translated as "flourishing." Here are some definitions:

‘The Greek word "eudaimonia" for "life" or "the good life," taking the Greek term to mean "well being." Thus, one may also say that telos or natural purpose of humans is eudaimonia.' William Thomas (Like me, Thomas believes that your purpose in life is your own happiness, or eudaimonia.)

‘Flourishing, however, means something like the successful pursuit of a vast array of physical, mental, and spiritual goods in the context of a life-long plan of values.’ Bryan Register

‘ . . . to live in accordance with the best in human nature . . .” Kenneth Livingston

Summary of conclusions:
Can parent-child incest potentially contribute to eudaimonia? Not really. In very rare cases it may be neutral. See next conclusion.

Does parent-child incest always diminish eudaimonia? With exceptions so rare as to be almost insignificant, yes. Given the likelihood of self delusion in this regard, it is best to assume that the answer is yes, it is always harmful. Lust2Learn has convinced me that she may be one of those exceptions. I’m sure she has thought long and hard about this, and will continue to do so.

Is Roxanne a sicko for having just posted a 30,000 word mother-daughter lesbian incest “epic” on Literotica, at Taboo! Lesbian Teen's Mom-Lust, and is she again using this thread for shameless self-promotion? Not at all, and absolutely! I am not sick for writing, and 18,000 people (to date) are not sick for reading it, because having fantasies about tasting forbidden fruit is apparently almost as universal as the incest taboo itself.

The issue isn't whether or not they think they're harmed. Whatever they think, they're harmed.

Children of all ages need their parents to guide them and set stable examples for them. In order to offer this, the parents need to keep some distance between their own needs and the needs of their children.

The moment you go to bed with someone, that distance vanishes. The moment you arch your back, spread your legs, and say "I need you to fuck me," you profoundly relinquish your standing as a safe harbor in a potential storm. You're no longer a parent. You are a moaning woman begging your child to make you cum.

And I'll also conjecture that, if it is your daughter (or son) you're asking to hold you, caress you and fuck you in the darkened night, your sexual yearning is coming from a very sad and lonely place. No child should be asked to quench that yearning. That desperate neediness.

And even more than that, no child should ever be asked to join a parent in that lonely, tortuous place that mixes deep sadness and sexual ecstacy.

Etoile, I know you're going to say I'm being presumptuous here. But I don't think so. I think this is, in fact, a charitable picture that likely leaves out the emotional coerciveness that pervades many of these relationships.

more from a later post:
2) Etoile-- I'm saying that by anyone's standards both people are being harmed in a parent-child incestual relationship. I'm saying this is a psychologically damaging event in which people wind up emotionally and psychologically weaker-- anxious, depressed, emotionally isolated. That kind of thing. You could certainly argue that these sorts of conditions don't ensue from incestual relationships. But, clearly, these conditions are forms of damage.

3) Etoile and Lust2Learn-- I don't think it is relevant whether it is the parent or the child who does the soliciting. Whatever the age of the child, it is the parent's responsibility to do the right thing. My kids want to do all sorts of things that are bad for them. But if I allow them to do those things, I am at fault. Obviously, that is true in my case (I'm in my 40's and my kids are young). I'm arguing, however, that similar dynamics of authority ought operate even if the parent is 50 and the child is 30 years old.

4) Lust2Learn-- I am making a broad generalization here. I think incest between parents and children is a harmful thing in all forms. I think it undermines what the parent should bring to the relationship. That doesn't mean that such a relationship can't be emotionally nurturing and sexually rewarding. However, I do believe that, on balance, sexual relationships between parents and children are overwhelmingly bad.

From a later post: As for sibling sex, my guess is that it takes place far more commonly that anybody wants to admit. Putting teenagers together in a house just begs for it. As long as the relationship doesn't grow into something that precludes emotional growth or other, more appropriate romantic relationships I doubt there is much damage done when siblings "experiment" with each other occasionally.

In terms of cousins? Lets be honest. Who out there hasn't wanted to fuck a cute cousin?

(I did want to. More than once. Roxanne)

. . . my situation was a 30+ year old woman and her mother. She did indeed want me to hold her, caress her and fuck her in the darkened night. I was more than pleased to quench that yearning and she was and is pleased to have had it quenched. . . . the emotional relationship between the two women may be different in every situation and the emotional need may indeed be felt by both.

To Mike260:
You've acknowledged . . . that you are generalizing and that there might be exceptions to it.

 

[Etoile]

Is Roxanne a sicko for having just posted a 30,000 word mother-daughter lesbian incest “epic” on Literotica

Oh lord, if having fantasies and/or writing about them made us true sickos, we'd all be in deep trouble!

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Oh lord, if having fantasies and/or writing about them made us true sickos, we'd all be in deep trouble!

Exchange between Roxanne and a reader who wrote to say nice things about Taboo! Lesbian Teen's Mom-Lust:
Reader named HH: "I hope you will not think of me as a 'sickie', but I'm halfway through and looking forward to reading the scene where Joyce and her daughter Kara make love . . . "
Roxanne: "HH, that is very disturbing. In fact, the only thing more disturbing would be a writer who uses almost 9,000 words to describe such a scene in lovingly explicit detail. Oh, wait a minute – I did that! Oops! Well, maybe we can check into the clinic together. Hopefully J (HH's S.O.) can come visit."

 

[gagginforit]

The Holy Bible frowns on incest. Find another hobby.

Wasn't there a bit where this old guy had sex with all his daughters one after the other?

 

[gagginforit]

This isn't lesbian as I'm a guy... but when my grandmother died my second cousin gave me a couple of very lingering, full body hugs to confort me. That sent some thoughts whizzing through my head but we live in different countries and I hadn't seen her since we were little so I guess it's a bit different.

 

[BitterIchor]

This isn't lesbian as I'm a guy... but when my grandmother died my second cousin gave me a couple of very lingering, full body hugs to confort me. That sent some thoughts whizzing through my head but we live in different countries and I hadn't seen her since we were little so I guess it's a bit different.

Yes, it is different and fairly irrelevant to the subject of this thread.

 

[Etoile]

Yes, it is different and fairly irrelevant to the subject of this thread.

Different? Sure. Irrelevant? I don't think so. And even if it is, ifwe got rid of all the off-topic and irrelevant posts on Lit, this place would be a lot smaller and a lot less interesting.

 

[RawHumor]

Different? Sure. Irrelevant? I don't think so. And even if it is, ifwe got rid of all the off-topic and irrelevant posts on Lit, this place would be a lot smaller and a lot less interesting.

LOL Ain't that the truth. Of course, I mainly hang out at the GB where thread hijacks & tangents are the rule rather than the exception, so I'll just shut up for a minute.

 

[BitterIchor]

Different? Sure. Irrelevant? I don't think so. And even if it is, ifwe got rid of all the off-topic and irrelevant posts on Lit, this place would be a lot smaller and a lot less interesting.

How can it have anything to do with lesbian incest if he's a guy? I'm sure there are throngs of regular incest-related topics in some of these forums that he can share his experiences in.

Oh, by the way, I had pasta for lunch today. And I saw this funny looking dog outside the italian place I ate in. It only had three legs, one ear and no tail. It hobbled around like it was on acid. It was funny.

I hope this tidbit of information piffed up the forum.