Lesbian category

[AwkwardlySet]

Some of us have different opinions than you do. And yes. You did come across as aggressive, and for the life of me I can't figure out why.

Are you serious here? Once again, I've presented my opinion aggressively, that is true. But I didn't insult, mock, ridicule or launch any kind of personal attack on anyone. I truly do believe that indulging the readership is a wrong approach on principle. You are very much free to disagree with me and to present your own opinion and counter-arguments, but there is absolutely no reason for any of you to pose as if I have attacked you personally by stating that opinion about writing approaches. I am very happy to present more arguments and discuss, aggressively or non-aggressively, but either way politely for sure.
Unlike you, I have never called anyone here names, I haven't ridiculed anyone, nor said anything remotely ad hominem. It is one huge irony that you of all people are the one reacting to this.

 

[Voboy]

Are you serious here? Once again, I've presented my opinion aggressively, that is true. But I didn't insult, mock, ridicule or launch any kind of personal attack on anyone. I truly do believe that indulging the readership is a wrong approach on principle. You are very much free to disagree with me and to present your own opinion and counter-arguments, but there is absolutely no reason for any of you to pose as if I have attacked you personally by stating that opinion about writing approaches. I am very happy to present more arguments and discuss, aggressively or non-aggressively, but either way politely for sure.
Unlike you, I have never called anyone here names, I haven't ridiculed anyone, nor said anything remotely ad hominem. It is one huge irony that you of all people are the one reacting to this.

Yes. I'm serious.

People do things for different reasons. I don't think that's a particularly hot take. You're choosing to condemn people for trying to cater to the readers, and I'm not sure what gives you the right to condemn them. That's all.

As for your last bit? When did I call you names? And what's so precious about me, "of all people," reacting to this?

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Yes. I'm serious.

People do things for different reasons. I don't think that's a particularly hot take. You're choosing to condemn people for trying to cater to the readers, and I'm not sure what gives you the right to condemn them. That's all.

As for your last bit? When did I call you names? And what's so precious about me, "of all people," reacting to this?

You are using way too strong expressions here. I didn't "condemn" anything, I said I believed that writing to indulge and cater to the desires of the readership is fine and reasonable for all commercial authors, but otherwise wrong - in my opinion. I most certainly didn't call anyone a fake or cheap writer or anything like that. My opinions may sometimes come off as strong, but they are never aimed at anyone personally.

As for your last bit? When did I call you names? And what's so precious about me, "of all people," reacting to this?

I am almost certain you did, more than once. If you are really having trouble remembering, I will search through topics when I find enough time for such a laborious task, considering I post a lot.

 

[Voboy]

You are using way too strong expressions here. I didn't "condemn" anything, I said I believed that writing to indulge and cater to the desires of the readership is fine and reasonable for all commercial authors, but otherwise wrong - in my opinion. I most certainly didn't call anyone a fake or cheap writer or anything like that. My opinions may sometimes come off as strong, but they are never aimed at anyone personally.


I am almost certain you did, more than once. If you are really having trouble remembering, I will search through topics when I find enough time for such a laborious task, considering I post a lot.

okay, then. I'll be VERY CAREFUL to not offend you, and say that I couldn't possibly disagree more.

I think it might be "wrong" for you. I can't imagine why you think it should therefore be wrong for every non-commercial writer.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

okay, then. I'll be VERY CAREFUL to not offend you, and say that I couldn't possibly disagree more.

I think it might be "wrong" for you. I can't imagine why you think it should therefore be wrong for every non-commercial writer.

While we all do have our own systems of rights and wrongs, there are things that could be considered right or wrong on principle. Otherwise, there would be no morality other than our personal morality. You are very much free to think that I am wrong in my opinion that the mentioned approach is wrong on principle. I would actually welcome a meaningful discussion about it. Maybe you would even convince me that I am wrong. But I won't accept that I have no right to think that the approach is wrong on principle because you believe it to be something that each individual should decide for himself. You are free to think that, of course, but so am I.

 

[Voboy]

While we all do have our own systems of rights and wrongs, there are things that could be considered right or wrong on principle. Otherwise, there would be no morality other than our personal morality. You are very much free to think that I am wrong in my opinion that the mentioned approach is wrong on principle. I would actually welcome a meaningful discussion about it. Maybe you would even convince me that I am wrong. But I won't accept that I have no right to think that the approach is wrong on principle because you believe it to be something that each individual should decide for himself. You are free to think that, of course, but so am I.

Okay.

Anyway, OP, I'd put it in the Lesbian category, personally.

 

[SimonDoom]

What a fucking irony. My answer to you was more than polite, yet here you are being very aggressive in your response where you are telling me how I am the one being aggressive. Moving on.

You accuse me of trickery. That's not polite. Don't pretend that it's polite.

 

[SimonDoom]

I knew a guy who built stone walls. That was his job. He sometimes spent weeks on one wall. Every stone had to fit just right, the color, the shape, the size, the grain; he put much more into it than was really required.

He loved it. And as proud as he was of the finished construction, he took the greatest satisfaction from the time, thought and labor he put into each perfect placement.

I don't think my analogy needs further explanation.

Just when the thread is about to capsize you give it a little Yoda-like wisdom to right the ship. Well done.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

You accuse me of trickery. That's not polite. Don't pretend that it's polite.

It is not malicious, of course, and it could be said that it is quite a clever approach, but there is a sliver of tricking involved.

This is from the post you reacted to. Saying my opinion that there is a sliver of tricking toward the reader in the approach you took has provoked this:

As you suggested in another post, you DO come across as very aggressive. Like you know the one right thing and everybody else is wrong.

I suspect you haven't read many of my stories, so you have no information with which to render any meaningful opinion on that subject. This is the problem with your opinions, generally. They're not based on any real data, just hunches that you think are universal truisms.

You are way, way too judgmental. Ease off. Be less certain of your judgments. Listen to other people and other perspectives. Open yourself to other ways of seeing things.

So I said that the approach you took with that one story involved a bit of tricking and that justifies calling me, not my particular posts, opinions, and so on, but ME personally: Aggressive, opinionated, judgmental and on top of that you start openly patronizing me, by offering me advice that I should open my eyes, and basically be less of a dumbass.

I'll leave it to others to judge who did what here. I do hope no one ever looked at you in a way you didn't like, because judging by the gigantic disproportion in the type and in the intensity of the response you showed toward me, that person is lucky to be alive.

 

[Voboy]

...and that justifies calling me, not my particular posts, opinions, and so on, but ME personally: Aggressive, opinionated, judgmental and on top of that you start openly patronizing me, by offering me advice that I should open my eyes, and basically be less of a dumbass.

Be fair. You opened the door:

I might be coming across as a bit more aggressive than I originally intended.

You've also acknowledged that you're opinionated. Some of us are merely agreeing with your own self-assessment.

 

[SimonDoom]

So I said that the approach you took with that one story involved a bit of tricking and that justifies calling me, not my particular posts, opinions, and so on, but ME personally: Aggressive, opinionated, judgmental and on top of that you start openly patronizing me, by offering me advice that I should open my eyes, and basically be less of a dumbass.

No, be accurate. I have not attacked you as a person. When you accuse me of "trickery" you attack my ethics. You attack me as a person. I haven't done that with you. I am responding to your argument, and to your style and habit of argumentation. You repeatedly make unfounded assumptions. In another thread when you were criticizing the site, you assumed, without foundation, that most people agreed with you. The reality is that most site members don't care about the things you care about, and among those who care many, like me, strenuously disagree with you.

I don't think you're a dumbass. I think you have a habit of making factually unfounded statements and that you should be more cautious about doing so, especially when the effect of those statements is to insult your fellow authors.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Be fair. You opened the door:



You've also acknowledged that you're opinionated. Some of us are merely agreeing with your own self-assessment.

Admitting to being aggressive in one post is admitting to being opinionated? I am very curious if Simon will correct your blatant misrepresentation of facts and logic, as I find it hard to believe you don't know what opinionated means. Also, my so-called aggression was toward another member of the AH, it had nothing to do with you or Simon. It was actually you who opened the door by quoting my posts.

 

[gunhilltrain]

If everyone would just ignore him, he would slide back under his bridge and leave us alone. I don't even read his posts.

Hi Rob, I'm sorry but I don't remember your previous user name. Didn't we have discussions about Idaho once? Seriously, I sometimes lose track of what is going on here.

By the way, beyond that question, I'm not going to jump into this thread.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

No, be accurate. I have not attacked you as a person. When you accuse me of "trickery" you attack my ethics. You attack me as a person. I haven't done that with you. I am responding to your argument, and to your style and habit of argumentation. You repeatedly make unfounded assumptions. In another thread when you were criticizing the site, you assumed, without foundation, that most people agreed with you. The reality is that most site members don't care about the things you care about, and among those who care many, like me, strenuously disagree with you.

I don't think you're a dumbass. I think you have a habit of making factually unfounded statements and that you should be more cautious about doing so, especially when the effect of those statements is to insult your fellow authors.

I've got nothing further to add to your continued judgement of me as a person, or to the fact that you are deliberately blowing the meaning of my post way out of proportions. Let everyone here judge for themselves.

 

[Rob_Royale]

Thanks guys.

 

[Rob_Royale]

Hi Rob, I'm sorry but I don't remember your previous user name. Didn't we have discussions about Idaho once? Seriously, I sometimes lose track of what is going on here.

By the way, beyond that question, I'm not going to jump into this thread.

Yes. I changed it from robroy1968. Hello from my Idaho canyon.

 

[Voboy]

Admitting to being aggressive in one post is admitting to being opinionated? I am very curious if Simon will correct your blatant misrepresentation of facts and logic, as I find it hard to believe you don't know what opinionated means. Also, my so-called aggression was toward another member of the AH, it had nothing to do with you or Simon. It was actually you who opened the door by quoting my posts.

Okay.

I'm plainly not getting anything else done here. Have a pleasant afternoon.

Sorry, OP.

 

[ElectricBlue]

This is a perfect example of the sort of dictatorial, purportedly universal pseudo-wisdom that people sometimes say in this forum (you more than most) that has no legitimacy whatsoever. Utterly delusional.

But Simon, the guy's a genius, just ask him. Oh wait, he's changed his badge, it's so hard to keep up.

He's his own three ring circus. BoBo the Clown always runs to the same script, and sure, the popcorn's getting a little stale, but (waves jazz hands) that's entertainment. But he ain't JBJ, from yesteryear, that's for sure.

That'll give him the shits, because he won't know who I'm on about, but there'll be a vaguely clever response, because he can't help himself. He's as Pavlovian as the rest of us. Start counting the seconds.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Thanks guys.

Rob, if you are going to show a fire, it might as well be the biggest one you can find. Falls Township, PA, last year.

https://assets1.cbsnewsstatic.com/i...tes/15116066/2022/06/junk-yard-fire.jpg?w=300

 

[Bramblethorn]

I want to write my story - the one in my head, which will be a story by a man and is written for men. And I'm wondering if a lesbian story written thusly would be appropriate in the lesbian category, where real lesbians might not appreciate the porn-esque male brain version of a lesbian story. I do realize now, that might be a smaller group than I supposed.

From what you've described, you will quite possibly get some "obviously written by a man" type of comments and downvoting. If your skin is thick enough to deal with that, you'll probably find other readers who enjoy it.

 

[MelissaBaby]

From what you've described, you will quite possibly get some "obviously written by a man" type of comments and downvoting. If your skin is thick enough to deal with that, you'll probably find other readers who enjoy it.

If you want "obviously written by a man", keep reading the thread.

 

[lustychimera]

...and, much like @AwkwardlySet, you don't know shit about what anyone else here finds enjoyable or motivating. Or, more to the point, "tedious and exhausting."

I'm not sure there's a more pretentious ass anywhere on this site than you, to be frank.

Hello, Frank!

 

[Bramblethorn]

Hello, Frank!

https://media.tenor.com/muwuzGjmpfoAAAAC/im-serious-dont-call-me-shirley.gif

 

[Cagivagurl]

This thread is what is wrong with this forum.
A person, asked a simple question. Then it was hijacked by the same opinionated people who appear in very thread...
So busy arguing amongst yourselves, you ignore the original question...

Cagivagurl

 

[ElectricBlue]

This thread is what is wrong with this forum.
A person, asked a simple question. Then it was hijacked by the same opinionated people who appear in very thread...
So busy arguing amongst yourselves, you ignore the original question...

Cagivagurl

The OP got his answer in there somewhere, and decided what he'd do. The rest is fairly typical rail spinning. It's turned into a popcorn thread, but trying to police it? What can you do?