Leahaven

[policywank]

Good for you. Making sure that he knows you will do whatever you want, whenever you want with whomever you want really solidifies your rule. And, at least for me, having that authority is critical to managing this lifestyle. You still need to treat him right and maintain the right balance of things, but do so on your terms.

Often with this type of lifestyle I hear men say they are ok with it as long as certain conditions are met (he gets to watch, he gets to reclaim, your tell him about everything right away, etc.). I have never entertained any of that as being conditional because I feel as though all of this things are either designed to assuage his insecurities or make me a prop in his narrative. That doesn't mean I never do those things, only that I do them at my discretion and his role is to accept my absolute sexual prerogative and freedom.

 

[P0peye]

OMIGOD LEAH!!!! Reading your last post practically caused my mini member to ejaculate inside my pants! I can understand completely why you love sucking Travis's big cock because I love sucking big cocks also!!
Robbie is SO lucky to be your cuckold!!
I admire strong women like you and Policywank who know how to ply your Pussy Power to manipulate and control your men. You deserve to be idolized!
You have every right to be proud of yourself. You go girl!!!

 

[Toro1886]

Remember when Travis spilled the beans and told Robbie about my "middle of the night habit"? That night or maybe the next, I walked into my bedroom from the bathroom, wearing my nightshirt and running a brush through my hair, which was still damp from taking a shower, and Robbie was sitting up in bed waiting for me.

"Is it true what Travis said?" he asked.

I knew the question was coming, eventually. I thought for a minute and said, "I don't think it's been ten, yet."

From the look of surprise on Robbie's face, he was obviously expecting me to say, "No." Surprise turned to puzzlement, and he asked, "How? You just go to his room in the middle of the night? Do you wake him up first?"

That last question made me giggle.

I told him that I have gone to his room, but most often he comes to our room. Robbie was like, "WHAAAT?"

This situation was the first time in our 17 years that I had been, in any way, decietful to Robbie, and I could see that he was feeling unsure and conflicted. I knew he liked me to suck Travis' cock, and "like" is putting it mildly, but his wife doing it behind his back was new and shaky ground for him. Robbie is not a brave, charge-into-the-world kind of guy. I have to persuade him to get on my broomstick, and before we take off into the unknown, I have to warn him, "Hold on tight, baby. Here we go!" In this situation, he never got a warning. I knew I needed to explain, but as you all know, talking to Robbie about sex is very difficult. On top of that, I had been wanting to truly "test the waters" of our new lifestyle. This was an opportunity I couldn't pass up.

I stopped brushing my hair and asked Robbie where Travis was.

"He went to play his Switch."

That meant that Travis had gone to his bedroom for the night.

I tossed my brush on the bed and told Robbie to keep quiet and come with me. I took his hand and led him to my office, tiptoeing past Travis' room, me in my nightshirt and Robbie in thin, gray sweats and a plain, white T-shirt. As we passed Travis' bedroom door, I could hear him playing Sonic with the sound low. I thought about how considerate it was of him to keep his gameplay quiet for us, and I could imagine him laid back against the pillow with one foot flat on the bed and the other ankle resting on his bent knee, his Switch held in the air above his head. I had seen it multiple times.

I pulled Robbie into my office, very quietly closed my office door behind us, and gently pressed the lock. "Click!" It sounded so loud! In a quiet voice, I told Robbie to get under my desk, while I slipped out of my underwear. I took a seat in my office chair and rolled up to my desk...up to Robbie's face. I opened my supple legs.

"Be a good boy, baby," I whispered, "and put that faithful mouth of yours where it belongs."

Robbie didn't even hesitate. He slid up close, put my right thigh on his shoulder, and began to gently kiss my deserving pussy. He had just found out that I had been sucking off another guy behind his back, but when I told him to serve his boss, he eagerly submitted without even the slightest pause. I smiled the most gloating smile.

"Mmm..." I moaned, looking down at my good boy, "make it good, baby, and make it last a long time."

Robbie gently sucked and licked my priviledged, little button, and while he dutifully serviced my freshly showered pussy, I explained how I came to be sucking off Travis behind his back. I told him about how it all started when one night, in a text while Travis was out with friends, he suggested that I should leave my bedroom door open.

"I knew what he wanted," I told Robbie. "I wanted it, too. There's just something about sucking a big cock. And that's not something I can get from you, now is it, baby?" A belittling giggle escaped from my mouth, but my good boy kept right on sucking and licking and kissing the wet little pussy between my thighs. I was so proud of him.

I began to softly stroke his hair with my fingers, as I continued my whispered explanation.

"We thought you would wake up, but the longer you slept, the more sinful it felt. And I've gotten to where I really enjoy being sinful. I was cheating on you, baby, with a great big cock in my married mouth, right under your nose, and I was really liking it. I guess Travis was liking it, too, because he let go a muffled grunt as he ejected the first shot of warm cum into your wife's mouth. He tried to stay quiet as his cock spasmed, again and again and again, and that dirty wife of yours gladly took every drop he had to give. She should have been ashamed of herself, but instead, she loved hearing her husband snoring behind her."

I could see Robbie was loving every word I said. I said more. I don't remember it all, but I carried on for some time. I was really enjoying myself, but by now I was so wet and horny, I had to have relief. I told Robbie in an impatient voice to "give me my orgasm now, baby."

He sucked my clit into his mouth and my well-trained boy sucked it just right. I had to cover my mouth with my hand to keep Travis from hearing my orgasm-induced moans, that seemed to go on and on and on.

After I caught my breath, I told Robbie to lie down on the floor next to my desk and jerk off. I knew he wouldn't last long. I sat curled up right next to his head while he was jerking his stiff little wimpy penis. I don't know why, just to be mean, I guess, but I pulled the hem of his T-shirt up and stretched it over his head so he couldn't see. Seeing him like that made me giggle. I leaned down and whispered.

"You don't mind if I suck big cocks and cheat on you behind your back, now do you, baby?"

"Oh, God!" Robbie gasped in desperation. He shook his white T-shirt covered head to answer "No," and then began to ejaculate all over his belly. I picked up my underwear off my desk, gingerly unlocked the door, and walked quietly back to our bedroom. I left Robbie lying on the floor by himself.

Ever since that night, he's been the most attentive, obedient boy you've ever seen.

oooff...you sultry, naughty, horny wife!! Devilishly hot!! Love the way you explained to Robbie and put him in his place at the same time!

 

[LeaHaven]

The "new" Leah is pretty exciting. If only she knew...

lol...if only she knew

 

[9to5]

lol...if only she knew

oh you do know

 

[Toro1886]

lol...if only she knew

we know...well we know a little! LOL

 

[LeaHaven]

Engaging in any kind of extra-marital activities (or the precursor thereof such as an innocuous lunch) always has a certain amount of risk of being found out (I don't say 'caught' because it isn't really anyone else's business, but realistically there can be consequences to being found out). There is also the risk of the relationship (be it a simple hook-up or something more) having complications. Moving in small increments allows you the latitude to step back if and when you feel the need with minimal consequences.

Ultimately I think that maintaining control and owning your actions are the best ways to handle potential adverse outcomes. And doing that is also a matter of small increments that allow you to learn how best to do that with any given man and eventually a cross-section of men. One of the sayings that I am fond of is that "we teach people how to treat us." If a man seeks to push me into something and I indulge too much in explaining why I won't do it he will infer that I feel the need to explain myself, which on some level validates whatever he is trying to get me to do. In that case I have "taught" him that I accept the validity of whatever pressure he is applying and am willing to be put in a position where I feel compelled to justify my own resistance. If I give him a hard no with minimal explanation (i.e. nothing beyond simply telling him where I stand and maybe why) I establish that he has no right to impose expectations on me, my decision is final and non-negotiable and he has no option but to accept it. Likewise if someone sees me having lunch with a man and asks me about it I take the view that they have no right to know. I will give them a matter of fact response and make no effort to explain or justify it and not entertain a follow-up questions or comments. If they start speculating and asking me to confirm or deny I will refuse to do either and walk away. Or in rare instances where denial amounts to confession I may lie - I hate lying but if it is the only way to avoid someone intruding upon my privacy I feel its I justified.

Of course sometimes that is all easier said than done. And it won't stop people from talking among themselves. But the thing about rumours, innuendo and scandal is that the oxygen that feeds them is denial, debate and rebuttal. When we push back, explain, justify etc. we give people more to talk about and that keeps the matter alive. If we just own it and shrug it off people run out of stuff to talk about and quickly lose interest. Politics is a great example of this. The biggest scandals are given life by the politician who gives excuses, denials and explanations. The gives the press and opponents something to hang on to and an ongoing stream of content to publish and debate. Whereas in many cases if they just say 'yup I did it' (with or without apology) it often dies out because you can't keep repeating the same story over and over again.

It is probably easier for me being an older woman with more seniority. But at this stage if someone sees me having a lunch or dinner that appears suspect they don't even bother asking or saying anything. They will get zilch from me, a shrug from anyone who knows me and end up looking like dirt digging busy bodies.

If I saw someone I knew having a lunch date that I suspected was inappropriate, I would never say anything to them. I think this is how most people are, so if someone saw me with Derek and suspected it was an affair, I think they would tell everyone but me. That is my real concern.

There is an exception, and it is the bigger problem.

If Erin saw me with someone, she and I are so close she would come right up and introduce herself....maybe. The "maybe" is because if I was meeting an old friend for lunch, it would be unusual for me not to tell her that before it happens, just because we talk about everything. So if she saw me at lunch with another guy, and I had not mentioned it, that would immediately look suspicious. Especially with Erin. She sees things that go right past me.

I could tell Erin that I am meeting an old friend for lunch, but then she is going to ask me all about the "old friend." I'm not going to make up a story. I'm just not. Besides, like I said above, me trying to pull the wool over Erin's eyes would be about the dumbest thing I have ever tried. She would see through me in an instant.

Which, by the way, is a whole other thing I haven't had time to talk about out here. I am 99% sure she has figured out that there is something going on between me and Travis. But Erin would not see me in a bad way about it. She would be more like, "you go, girl!" There have been times I have come close to spilling the beans. The only reason I haven't is because I don't know how Robbie would feel about her knowing. Erin is his fantasy girl.

Gosh, I went from talking about how to arrange a lunch date with another guy to telling Erin about our "secret life." How's that for rambling? lol

 

[P0peye]

Leah, once we decide to live our lives remaining faithful to our inner selves, we must accept that often, others might not understand and may judge us unfairly for our behavior. Unless we are willing to construct and maintain a false public image, (a laborious and time consuming constant endeavor) we must accept that our reputations may suffer. While I don't broadcast my aberrant behavior from the rooftops, neither do I twist myself into a pretzel for the sake of everyone's good opinion. I personally don't feel that it's worth the effort. But then again, everyone's situation is unique. As my namesake would say "I yam what I yam"!!

 

[policywank]

If I saw someone I knew having a lunch date that I suspected was inappropriate, I would never say anything to them. I think this is how most people are, so if someone saw me with Derek and suspected it was an affair, I think they would tell everyone but me. That is my real concern.

There is an exception, and it is the bigger problem.

If Erin saw me with someone, she and I are so close she would come right up and introduce herself....maybe. The "maybe" is because if I was meeting an old friend for lunch, it would be unusual for me not to tell her that before it happens, just because we talk about everything. So if she saw me at lunch with another guy, and I had not mentioned it, that would immediately look suspicious. Especially with Erin. She sees things that go right past me.

I could tell Erin that I am meeting an old friend for lunch, but then she is going to ask me all about the "old friend." I'm not going to make up a story. I'm just not. Besides, like I said above, me trying to pull the wool over Erin's eyes would be about the dumbest thing I have ever tried. She would see through me in an instant.

Which, by the way, is a whole other thing I haven't had time to talk about out here. I am 99% sure she has figured out that there is something going on between me and Travis. But Erin would not see me in a bad way about it. She would be more like, "you go, girl!" There have been times I have come close to spilling the beans. The only reason I haven't is because I don't know how Robbie would feel about her knowing. Erin is his fantasy girl.

Gosh, I went from talking about how to arrange a lunch date with another guy to telling Erin about our "secret life." How's that for rambling? lol

I think that you are right to not get caught up in spinning a story. Once you start making stuff up or telling lies it becomes impossible to keep up with it and as you say it is usually transparent to some people. Plus the mere fact that you are doing that feeds the rumour mill. You are far better off to own it, stay quiet and give people little to talk about. That way even if people do "talk" it dies down quickly without there ever having been any confirmation.

A business like lunch even if somewhat out of the ordinary is typically not so obvious that people can draw definitive conclusions. Typically I would have a very brief and dismissive response to anyone who asks to know more and politely refuse to engage further. That can be more difficult with someone you know well if they seek to dig deeper. But ultimately we have to find ways to shut that down if we want to maintain privacy.

Reality is that this more adventurous lifestyle is quite likely to lead to some people wondering what we are up to. Even if you and Robbie and Travis keep it all indoors and under wraps eventually someone will wonder about the young man living in your spare room in the same way that some people might wonder about an otherwise innocuous lunch date. We do our best to be discrete, but also resolve ourselves to own our decisions and not let others shame us into compliance with their view of how we should conduct our relationships. And I think that once you have decided to have an affair and both parties are aware of what is going on it actually becomes easier to plan for discretion.

 

[LeaHaven]

You deserve to be idolized!

I couldn't agree more! lol

 

[LeaHaven]

Leah, once we decide to live our lives remaining faithful to our inner selves, we must accept that often, others might not understand and may judge us unfairly for our behavior. Unless we are willing to construct and maintain a false public image, (a laborious and time consuming constant endeavor) we must accept that our reputations may suffer. While I don't broadcast my aberrant behavior from the rooftops, neither do I twist myself into a pretzel for the sake of everyone's good opinion. I personally don't feel that it's worth the effort. But then again, everyone's situation is unique. As my namesake would say "I yam what I yam"!!

This is all very true, Popeye, and that is the problem. If people don't construct a false public image, their reputations will suffer. As gallant as it might sound that we should all "be ourselves," the real world will punish those who do not conform. I guess I will have to discuss with Robbie if the punishment is something we are willing to risk. The one thing he and I have in our favor is that we live about three hours from family. They would never know.

 

[LeaHaven]

Once you start making stuff up or telling lies it becomes impossible to keep up with

I never use people's real names in this thread. Sometimes when I am writing a post about someone I have discussed before, I wonder, "What name did I give this person?" I have actually thought about asking you people in the post, because I am too lazy to go look it up! LOL!!

 

[LeaHaven]

I wish you could see Robbie's project car. It is so beautiful! I saw a truck he did just before we got married, but it was painted white, so it was very well done, but not like something I was like, "Wow!" But this car is totally, "WOW!" I had no idea he could paint a car to look that good.

His plan is to sell the car, and he told me what he wanted to ask for it. I think his price is preposterous, so I was like, "If you get that kind of money for that car, I will..."

"You will what?" he asked.

I didn't know what I was willing to offer

 

[Toro1886]

I wish you could see Robbie's project car. It is so beautiful! I saw a truck he did just before we got married, but it was painted white, so it was very well done, but not like something I was like, "Wow!" But this car is totally, "WOW!" I had no idea he could paint a car to look that good.

His plan is to sell the car, and he told me what he wanted to ask for it. I think his price is preposterous, so I was like, "If you get that kind of money for that car, I will..."

"You will what?" he asked.

I didn't know what I was willing to offer

I'd leave that offer as it is ....open to your discretion! ;-)
Sounds like he is doing a fine job.

 

[LeaHaven]

Parts pulled from a recent DM:

"I would be willing to bet that if you teased Robbie about telling Erin in the heat of the moment, he would cum really hard.

I have been curious about how big Travis’ cock actually is. I think I shared with you that I’m around 6.5”, which at the time seemed large to you. I’ve also been curious whether or not you regularly or occasionally orgasm from PIV sex with Travis. Also if you’ve had Robbie go down on you after having sex with Travis."

Me and the boys were in the car one night when I called Erin about the location of a restaurant. When I got off the phone, Robbie said, "God, I'd like to fuck that girl," and a brief conversation took place between Robbie and Travis about Erin. At the restaurant, off to the side and under my breath, I told Robbie, "Robbie, if you ever got the chance to fuck Erin, you'd cum in like two seconds." Robbie actually chuckled. I would have said more, but Travis was coming up behind us.

I will have to try the tease suggested in the DM.

I had to go get a ruler to know for sure what 6.5" looked like. Compared to Robbie or not, that seems really large, but I don't know how to tell you how large Travis' cock is. Maybe I should tell him I want to measure it. That might be fun. I'll have to think about that.

I sometimes orgasm from PIV sex with Travis when we have sex on the couch and I straddle him. I have to get the angle just right, but sometimes it works. That never works with Robbie, because...I'm not sure how to explain it, but it's kind of like Travis' cock sort of pushes things forward, but Robbie's doesn't. Does that make sense? Also, in that position, it is hard to keep Robbie inside me, and that just becomes more frustration than it's worth.

I have never had Robbie go down on me after having sex with Travis. I'm not even sure what to think about that.

 

[Toro1886]

Parts pulled from a recent DM:

"I would be willing to bet that if you teased Robbie about telling Erin in the heat of the moment, he would cum really hard.

I have been curious about how big Travis’ cock actually is. I think I shared with you that I’m around 6.5”, which at the time seemed large to you. I’ve also been curious whether or not you regularly or occasionally orgasm from PIV sex with Travis. Also if you’ve had Robbie go down on you after having sex with Travis."

Me and the boys were in the car one night when I called Erin about the location of a restaurant. When I got off the phone, Robbie said, "God, I'd like to fuck that girl," and a brief conversation took place between Robbie and Travis about Erin. At the restaurant, off to the side and under my breath, I told Robbie, "Robbie, if you ever got the chance to fuck Erin, you'd cum in like two seconds." Robbie actually chuckled. I would have said more, but Travis was coming up behind us.

I will have to try the tease suggested in the DM.

I had to go get a ruler to know for sure what 6.5" looked like. Compared to Robbie or not, that seems really large, but I don't know how to tell you how large Travis' cock is. Maybe I should tell him I want to measure it. That might be fun. I'll have to think about that.

I sometimes orgasm from PIV sex with Travis when we have sex on the couch and I straddle him. I have to get the angle just right, but sometimes it works. That never works with Robbie, because...I'm not sure how to explain it, but it's kind of like Travis' cock sort of pushes things forward, but Robbie's doesn't. Does that make sense? Also, in that position, it is hard to keep Robbie inside me, and that just becomes more frustration than it's worth.

I have never had Robbie go down on me after having sex with Travis. I'm not even sure what to think about that.

take it slow...seems so much happening so quick...enjoy the moments before ramping up again! Not sure what Robbie would think either....as if he'd have a choice...Could start with Robbie going down on you after he has sex!

 

[LeaHaven]

LOL!! I just posted the following answer to a DM in someone else's DM thread! I'm so scattered sometimes

From another DM;

"Hi there. Hope all is going well. It sounds like you are falling in love with Travis. Be careful."

There is absolutely no chance that will happen. Travis is a wonderful person, but he doesn't have the traits I would want in a true love interest. He is better sexually than Robbie, but it ends there, and good sex will never make me fall in love with a guy.

 

[Artfan2]

... If Erin saw me with someone, she and I are so close she would come right up and introduce herself....maybe. The "maybe" is because if I was meeting an old friend for lunch, it would be unusual for me not to tell her that before it happens, just because we talk about everything. So if she saw me at lunch with another guy, and I had not mentioned it, that would immediately look suspicious. Especially with Erin. She sees things that go right past me.

... I am 99% sure she has figured out that there is something going on between me and Travis. But Erin would not see me in a bad way about it. She would be more like, "you go, girl!" There have been times I have come close to spilling the beans. The only reason I haven't is because I don't know how Robbie would feel about her knowing. Erin is his fantasy girl.

... Me and the boys were in the car one night when I called Erin about the location of a restaurant. When I got off the phone, Robbie said, "God, I'd like to fuck that girl," and a brief conversation took place between Robbie and Travis about Erin. At the restaurant, off to the side and under my breath, I told Robbie, "Robbie, if you ever got the chance to fuck Erin, you'd cum in like two seconds." Robbie actually chuckled. I would have said more, but Travis was coming up behind us.

If Erin strongly suspects that something is going on between you and Travis, it might be better if she hears your explanation of what's going on rather than letting her imagination go wild. And I wonder if she's aware of how attracted Robbie is to her. If she knew about that and knew that you were okay with it, it might be a bit of a thrill for to find out. It also might give her some ideas. She sounds like she may enjoy coming up with devious plans as much as you do.

 

[P0peye]

I've never been a very good liar. I have difficulty keeping my stories straight. I suspect that women are better liars than men are out of necessity, being expected to adhere to a much more rigid standard of behavior than men and are judged much more harshly. Having said this, I'm not overly concerned with the opinions other people may have of me. Those who know and value me accept me for who I am, the rest don't really matter. Just saying.

 

[LeaHaven]

If Erin strongly suspects that something is going on between you and Travis, it might be better if she hears your explanation of what's going on rather than letting her imagination go wild. And I wonder if she's aware of how attracted Robbie is to her. If she knew about that and knew that you were okay with it, it might be a bit of a thrill for to find out. It also might give her some ideas. She sounds like she may enjoy coming up with devious plans as much as you do.

Erin already knows that Robbie thinks she is the 2nd hottest thing on the planet.

At this point, I could not admit to someone what is going on inside my marriage. Not even Erin.

 

[LeaHaven]

I've never been a very good liar. I have difficulty keeping my stories straight. I suspect that women are better liars than men are out of necessity, being expected to adhere to a much more rigid standard of behavior than men and are judged much more harshly. Having said this, I'm not overly concerned with the opinions other people may have of me. Those who know and value me accept me for who I am, the rest don't really matter. Just saying.

I wish I could be as courageous, Popeye. Maybe, someday

 

[9to5]

Erin already knows that Robbie thinks she is the 2nd hottest thing on the planet.

At this point, I could not admit to someone what is going on inside my marriage. Not even Erin.

you dont wnat someone judging you on what your doing and you would really have to make sure she is ok with kinks. you could feel her out about it and just not say its you. maybe like I wonder what if?

 

[twister947]

Loose lips sink ships.
Just sayin'...

 

[LeaHaven]

you dont wnat someone judging you on what your doing and you would really have to make sure she is ok with kinks. you could feel her out about it and just not say its you. maybe like I wonder what if?

Loose lips sink ships.
Just sayin'...

I have vacillated on this so many times. Sometimes I want so badly to tell her, but then I think like Twister says. I don't think the same quote. I think, "better safe than sorry," but the two sayings are essentially the same thing. And it's not so much about how Erin would feel about it. My concern is how Robbie would feel about it. Honestly, as crazy as it sounds, I think he would actually like it. But I don't know that for a fact.

As for Erin, she is 100% ok with kinks. I already know that. In fact, she may be their #1 promoter!

 

[9to5]

good point it would be something you would have to talk to Robbie first to see how he feels about others knowing