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perdita said:Charlus, he was a Victorian scientist (which I presume you know). Rather avant-garde for his times. What exactly are you asking?
Perdita Sacher-Masoch![]()
Well outside creationists and intelligent design advocates I don't know anyone who espouses K-E as truth. He did well for his time and the study of sexuality has progressed. Who reads Masoch anyway except out of a historical curiosity.CharleyH said:Yes P, I do know he 'was', and thank you for asking.Why do we believe his askewed theories about sexuality - he misread Masoch, after all?
And where do we go from here in fetish AND bdsm?
Well, he was among the first to ask serious questions and do real research. He knew as much as he could understand. Are you putting him down?CharleyH said:Seriously, did this guy know anything about fetish or sadism and especially masochism at all? Did he know anything about sexuality?
perdita said:What exactly are you asking?
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Gd grf. There should be a way to let people know a thread is limited to club members only.CharleyH said:Just a Q - P for the horse as promised if he did not post a Q about his reference or a question to KE. I will wait for questions
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Masoch, that poor sap! What a funny and tragic tale. What a movie that could be!perdita said:Well outside creationists and intelligent design advocates I don't know anyone who espouses K-E as truth. He did well for his time and the study of sexuality has progressed. Who reads Masoch anyway except out of a historical curiosity.
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perdita said:Who reads Masoch anyway except out of a historical curiosity.
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I read De Sade looking for erotica and was utterly dissapointed. I read Masoch- by that time- out of historical curiosity... I didn't find much erotic in him either....CharleyH said:Everyone reads Sade out of historical curiosity and misreads Masoch as defined by KE.
Stella_Omega said:I read De Sade looking for erotica and was utterly dissapointed. I read Masoch- by that time- out of historical curiosity... I didn't find much erotic in him either....
What a crock, Charlus. I know NO ONE who read Sade out of historical curiosity. Thirty-some years ago he was de rigeur on campuses; any erotickle effects were gravyCharleyH said:Everyone reads Sade out of historical curiosity and misreads Masoch as defined by KE. (Distracted right now apologies)
Jim Dandy to the rescue!perdita said:What a crock, Charlus. I know NO ONE who read Sade out of historical curiosity. Thirty-some years ago he was de rigeur on campuses; any erotickle effects were gravy.
What decade are you trapped in? I'll see if Stella wants to join me in rescuing you.
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Hey, Jim. If only she'd had better taste in shoes, eh?Stella_Omega said:Masoch's wife was amazingly uninteresting- if that's what you mean...
red come-fuck-me's would have looked good on her!perdita said:Hey, Jim. If only she'd had better taste in shoes, eh?
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That would have made an excellent footnote on an academic paper. Send it to the MLA.Stella_Omega said:red come-fuck-me's would have looked good on her!
she went along with someone else's joke, right? although one account I've read claims that she wrote those letters to him herself.
And then she married him. And then she said... nuh-uh, no way am I going to play with you.
thumbs down! I say!
If ever a man tried honestly to communicate his desires, Masoch did. AND HE WAS IGNORED! She ignored his open communicatin before and after their marriage.
Fuck the bitch, she made him bitterly unhappy. And herself for that matter. And it wasn't HIS fault- for once, it wasn't the man's fault.
Yes, I took extra care to get the jargon rightperdita said:That would have made an excellent footnote on an academic paper. Send it to the MLA.
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perdita said:What a crock, Charlus. I know NO ONE who read Sade out of historical curiosity. Thirty-some years ago he was de rigeur on campuses; any erotickle effects were gravy.
What decade are you trapped in? I'll see if Stella wants to join me in rescuing you.
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Well, Masoch was the first author to deliniate his masochistic desires in print. And his submissive desires, too.CharleyH said:I read Sade in a theoretical (AKA historical - crap author he was- how could one read differently?) context :| Did anyone understand Masoch, or why KE (Kraft-Ebing) decided he was what we know as masochism today? (holding tongue)![]()
It happens. After all, a broken clock is right twice a day.Stella_Omega said:Fuck the bitch, she made him bitterly unhappy. And herself for that matter. And it wasn't HIS fault- for once, it wasn't the man's fault.
We've been wondering the same thing. It's kind of a fun quest, in a, pardon the term "masochistic" sort of way.What exactly is the question, Charley?
Rumply, can I walk all over you?Rumple Foreskin said:Best I can tell, the score is 0-0-0 and heading for overtime.