Kill Bambi without getting off your fat ass.

[china-doll]

Does this just seem wrong somehow or is it just me?

Personally I don't hunt, hell I don't even kill spiders in my house, I let them outside. But I really dont have any problem with people that do, as long as they actually use the meat and are't just in it for the kill, so to speak.

But this idea just seems a little sick to me. Seems just like killing for the fun of it.

Any thoughts?

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Web Site Could Allow Couch Potato Hunters

A new Internet service based in Texas could allow hunters to shoot and kill exotic animals from their home computer.

Hunt From Home On The Net

Licensed hunters who become members of the site can control a camera linked to a .22-caliber rifle to shoot at targets in real time.

The controversial Web site, www.live-shot.com, now offers 10 shots at paper and silhouette targets.

The site's creator said he could soon let hunters shoot deer, antelope and wild pigs on his private ranch using stronger weapons.

"There are many people who would like to hunt who may not have the opportunity to come to Texas for one reason or another," site creator John Lockwood said.

Texas state officials are not quite sure what to make of Underwood's Web site, but said they may tweak existing laws to make sure Internet hunting does not get out of hand.

 

[Guest]

Nope, I don't like that one bit. Sick fucks.

 

[Guest]

The controversial Web site, www.live-shot.com, now offers 10 shots at paper and silhouette targets.

Right now it's just targets. I doubt seriously they will ever allow shoting live animals.

As is it is really no different than the hunting video games that are out there already.

 

[Belegon]

have a hard enough time understanding wanting to be out hunting when you could just go to the local butcher... never will understand the video game simulations of it.


Although I admit to feeling less scared of an idiot with a twelve pack in front of a computer then one with the actual gun out on my lawn at 5 a.m....

 

[Guest]

 

[china-doll]

Right now it's just targets. I doubt seriously they will ever allow shoting live animals.

As is it is really no different than the hunting video games that are out there already.

The target thing is fine by me. I can't see why any one would pay to shoot when they could just buy a game that would probablly be more fun.

But the live target thing is something else...

 

[Guest]

Although I admit to feeling less scared of an idiot with a twelve pack in front of a computer then one with the actual gun out on my lawn at 5 a.m....

So what you are saying is that today's hunters are nothing more than beer swilling idiots taking pot shots at people dogs?

 

[Guest]

Don't even go there.

 

[china-doll]

I sence a flame attack comming.

 

[Guest]

No, not at all.

I just don't wanna read about people taking pot shots at dogs. Perhaps it's best I just don't look in this thread any more.

Lou

 

[Liar]

Although I admit to feeling less scared of an idiot with a twelve pack in front of a computer then one with the actual gun out on my lawn at 5 a.m....

If it's a twelve pack of Jolt Cola, I'd be scared as fuck. Those hacker kids are dangerous.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

As an avid hunter (probably a little fat assed too ) I think this is a horrible idea. It will simply help the cause of the anti hunting groups. I hope the good folks in Texas will tweak their laws to prohibit this from becoming reality.

Hunting is about so much more than just killing something.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

I believe John Lockwood should be given an opportunity to prove the marketability of his proposed site.

Before given clearance, however, the site should have to pass a rigorous testing period.

With live ammunition in the guns, set Lockwood and his backers out on the shooting range while online gamers test their beta system.

 

[Belegon]

So what you are saying is that today's hunters are nothing more than beer swilling idiots taking pot shots at people dogs?

Not entirely...but the ones liable to use the service being discussed are probably more like your interpretation of my thoughts than they are to be some of the more responsible individuals out there.

There are good and bad subsets within any group. Just that idiots on a golf course or softball field are less likely to damage others as well as themselves...or at least less likely to damage them permanently.

Oh, and I have had a cousin shot (non-fatally thank god) by a friend when they went hunting together. As far as I know, they were both sober at the time.

Besides, that "Blue Collar Comedy Tour" dvd has me thinking along admittedly obvious lines when it comes to jokes lately...

 

[Liar]

Hunting is about so much more than just killing something.

Disclaimer: This is not a flaming post. Ok?

So, now that I have an actual avid hunter here, I just got to ask, because I don't get it: What exactly is it about?

I mean, I'm not judging the activity. I don't give very many damns about the animals. I kill animals myself when I fish. I fish because there is nothing on this planet as tasty as grilled fresh caught mackerel. But if I didn't have to go through the trouble of hauling them out of the sea myself, I'd rather not.

So if it isn't the experience of trackng down and shooting lead into a deer, why go out there and hunt for recreation like so many do? From my experience, I get better meat at the butcher's anyway.

#L

 

[R. Richard]

Bambi is fine. However, Bambi is a character in a movie.

Out in California, someone had an insane idea. They transported deer to an offshore island. There were just the few small native animals on the island and deer. Soon, there were just deer. The deer were starving and diseased because there were too many deer and not enough food on the island. They had to sneak hunters out to the island and shoot most of the deer. They attempted to shoot the deer who seemed least likely to survive as healthy animals. They then drugged the survivors and transported them to the mainland where the deer were released back into the wild. Some of the deer died after being released, presumably because of the stress of the move.

What I am getting at here is that man has removed most of the predators that kept the deer population in check. Without human hunters, the deer will breed themselves into starvation. Like it or not, the hunter is the deer's friend.

You want to get your meat from a butcher shop? Fine, but somebody still had to kill the meat animal.

That said, the idea of some ass hole shoting deer (or anything living) from his computer screen is just plain wrong IMHO!

 

[Guest]

What I am getting at here is that man has removed most of the predators that kept the deer population in check. Without human hunters, the deer will breed themselves into starvation. Like it or not, the hunter is the deer's friend.

Not to mention the propery owners best friend, car owners best friend, and even your childrens and pets best friend in some areas.

In areas where hunting is limited and deer populations have soared there are frequent cases of deer attempting to jump through storefront windows and sliding glass doors. When you have an angry, scared 400lb animal with horns in your living room, it's not Bambi and it won't be cute.

Deer are also primarily nocturnal feeders. Herds feed frequently on farmers crop in the dead of night. Large herds can destroy corn and wheat crops over a period of weeks. Farmers have enough trouble trying to stay afloat without Bambi eating their profits.

In Ohio alone there are several hundred deer hit by motor vehicles every year. You thing a chunk of lead through the chest is a gruesome way for a deer to die? Ever seen a deer that was hit by a truck on the interstate? For that matter, have you ever seen the damage a deer can do to a car? Auto damage caused by hitting deer ranges in the million dollar range every year in this state alone.

In states like California where predator hunting has been severely limited or banned altogether, there is an ironic new twist. As people move into the mountains and country side they catch a glimps of Bambi strolling through the woods. Longing to be closer to nature they they put out salt licks and feeders to draw the deer closer. And along with them the predators. Mr. Cougar doesn't mind letting the deer go when he has a target like a chained yapping dog in your back yard. It happens. A lot.

For a lot of reasons hunting is a necessity. For the hunter there is a lot more than just pumping lead into Bambi. It IS a sport. One that requires a great deal of knowledge skill and nerves sometimes.

And for the maojority of hunters it's not just for a trophy on the wall. Years ago when I hunted avidly, a couple deer in the freezer could feed me for a year. Add a wild boar and a turkey and I was set for the holidays too.

And since we're on that subject, something the health fanatics will apreciate, Wild meats are VERY lean. No chemicals and drugs to promote growth. All natural and healthy.

And Mighty tasty too.

 

[Belegon]

just so we are all clear, sensing that some people are a little on the defensive here...(see what happens when I forget to use the damn smilies *sigh*)

Dudes, (yes I'm from Cali.) if you want to go freeze your ass off in the middle of the night and call it sport, go for it. it is not my style. I thought the genesis of the "drunk idiot" part would be obvious when I brought Jeff Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy (Blue Collar Comedy reference) into the discussion.

If hunting is your thing, that's cool. I am a carnivore and I like venison. I have seen what a deer can do to a car. I've also seen a guy blow a multi-million dollar career by falling out of a tree and shattering his leg while hunting. (re: Carlton Loewer, Padres & Phillies) Not saying it does not require skill. But I would rather not do it. It may be a sport but it is not my sport

Just so everybody is clear and there are no flames to put out later.

 

[Guest]

No problem, Bel.

Just wanted to make a few points on why civilized men (and women) still hunt.

There is also the simple fact that hunting os still cheaper than a years supply of meat from the store.

 

[SeaCat]

No flames from me.

I don't believe in hunting as a sport, although that's just me. I have hunted in the past, that was how we ate. As J. Foxworthy would put it I lived so far back in the sticks the newspaper was yellow when it got to us. (Turn off the paved road? Hah, you had to find the damned paved roads first.) Also unlike many hunters we didn't use stands very often. Most of the time it was stalking.

The idea of a hunting website like this just doesn't do it for me, although I can see how some weasel necked chairstuffer would find it a thrill of sorts.

Now my cats on the other hands do hunt for sport. They never eat what they catch, instead they bring it by for inspection, usually depositing it on the pillows of our bed for us to find. Their favorite prey is something we have here called a Palmetto Bug. (For those of you who have never had the enjoyment of meeting up with one of these, think of the Arnold Schwarzeneggar of Cochroaches. We're talking major Steroid use here folks.) Our cats don't need catnip to fly, just let them spot one of these critters even thinking of coming inside and you have super kitty.

Cat

 

[R. Richard]

SeaCat:
You don't have to tell me about palmetto bugs. I used to live in South Carolina (The Palmetto State), we had a lot of them.

Now if somebody could just start a war between the palmetto bugs and the fire ants!

 

[SeaCat]

SeaCat:
You don't have to tell me about palmetto bugs. I used to live in South Carolina (The Palmetto State), we had a lot of them.

Now if somebody could just start a war between the palmetto bugs and the fire ants!

ROTFLMAO Now that's one I would pay to see. Could we televise it?

Cat

 

[Lisa Denton]

The bit about maybe in the future allowing live hunting is just a publicity stunt. I live in Texas, lots of peoples hunt, 99.9% of them do it responsibly. There are plenty of laws already in place which would never allow something like that and no peoples in Texas would allow something like that. But the guy did get some publicity huh?

Target-shooting is not hunting, there is no similarity between the two. I target shoot at a local gun range. Simply because I have a concealed-carry permit and believe anyone who has a gun for home or personal defense should know how to safely use it, when to use it, and be able to hit what they are aiming at if the occasion ever came up.

There are "laws" of hunting which are not written down anywhere but are treated as "law" by responsible hunters. Passed from father to son/daughter.

Any beer-swillin idiots interested in what was proposed, should not be classified as target shooters or hunters, simply idiots.

Just my opinion.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

Disclaimer: This is not a flaming post. Ok?

So, now that I have an actual avid hunter here, I just got to ask, because I don't get it: What exactly is it about?

I mean, I'm not judging the activity. I don't give very many damns about the animals. I kill animals myself when I fish. I fish because there is nothing on this planet as tasty as grilled fresh caught mackerel. But if I didn't have to go through the trouble of hauling them out of the sea myself, I'd rather not.

So if it isn't the experience of trackng down and shooting lead into a deer, why go out there and hunt for recreation like so many do? From my experience, I get better meat at the butcher's anyway.

#L

No flame taken. I'll try to explain it the best I can, but it truly is one of those "If you have to ask the question, then you just don't understand type scenarios.

Hunting for me is becoming a part of nature for a little while. I get all the camo on, and I disappear. Once I've been still for awhile, all of the animals come out. It's wonderful to watch. I mostly bowhunt for deer. Bowhunting is very personal. The deer must be within 30 yards, not see you when you raise the bow, and then you must still remain calm enough to take a good shot. It's the ultimate rush.

The split second before the shot is the climax. It's when everything has come together. Once the arrow is released, the climax has passed. It's a lot of work from there!

To me, it's as close to nature as one can get. Predator versus prey is the oldest game on the planet.

This will probably sound weird. When I kill a deer I always spend a few minutes talking to it and petting it. Like the Indians, I say a prayer for it even though I'm not sure there is a god.

I hope this helps you understand. I know that hunting is not for everyone, and I respect those that choose not to. To me it's about so much more than just killing. Killing is the smallest part of it. It's a celebration of life and nature. I think Ted Nugent calls it "being touched by the spirit of the wild." If the spirit touches you, you know it. If it doesn't, then you probably can't understand it.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Disclaimer: This is not a flaming post. Ok?

So, now that I have an actual avid hunter here, I just got to ask, because I don't get it: What exactly is it about?

I mean, I'm not judging the activity. I don't give very many damns about the animals. I kill animals myself when I fish. I fish because there is nothing on this planet as tasty as grilled fresh caught mackerel. But if I didn't have to go through the trouble of hauling them out of the sea myself, I'd rather not.

So if it isn't the experience of trackng down and shooting lead into a deer, why go out there and hunt for recreation like so many do? From my experience, I get better meat at the butcher's anyway.

#L

I used to hunt liar. in my family, it was all about being outdoors with my dad & granddad. For the boys, it was a right of passage. In my family, we cleaned and ate everything we killed. If we were out with my grandfather, we would dress out the best of the meat and he would drop it off with a bag of flour or cornmeal at the home of an elderly woman who really appreciated the meat in supplamenting what she got from Social security and her late husbands military pension.

If you have never done it, you can't understand the comiradierie and closeness it builds. I suspect you have to be a man to fully enjoy it, I was always brought along over the protests of my brothers. I stopped hunting around the time my grandfather passed away and my dad got to the point where it was too taxing to hunt for him, although he still hunts doves occasionally, since there isn't so much walking. My brothers are all avid hunters and are anxiously awaiting the day their boys are old enough to go out with them. Needless to say, my dad looks forward to that too and will find the strength to go when the boys are old enough, just like his dad did with us.

-Colly