Just why?

[nowisthetime]

Why does the right love the idealism of "America", but hate their fellow Americans, fellow human beings?

On the GB, I came across this reprehensible quote from a fellow Litser, who is of the "right" persuasion:


"Every march is just domestic Terror , womens,gun hating kids, mexicans against America, Teachers that don't teach but want a pay raise......all domestic terror!"


It's as if any time folks wish to stand up for their civil rights, the right sneers their noses. It's as if they don't WANT people to have a voice, except for their type (rightists), of course, when they want to trample on others' rights.

Could you imagine the atrocities that would still continue had human beings not stood up for their rights?

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

The FIRST problem AMERICANS have is seeing everything political. (Left vs. Right).

Anything else I say after my sentence above may only server to confuse.

 

[AnAmericanDarling]

Why does the right love the idealism of "America", but hate their fellow Americans, fellow human beings?

On the GB, I came across this reprehensible quote from a fellow Litser, who is of the "right" persuasion:


"Every march is just domestic Terror , womens,gun hating kids, mexicans against America, Teachers that don't teach but want a pay raise......all domestic terror!"


It's as if any time folks wish to stand up for their civil rights, the right sneers their noses. It's as if they don't WANT people to have a voice, except for their type (rightists), of course, when they want to trample on others' rights.

Could you imagine the atrocities that would still continue had human beings not stood up for their rights?

Well, The Right has a right to their opinion, too. Us Democrats have a right to our opinion, but they have a right to a reaction, even if it's racist, misogynistic and all the other crap they come with.

 

[Veroe]

Why does the right love the idealism of "America", but hate their fellow Americans, fellow human beings?

Personally I blame guys like Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Fox news and every other right leaning news personality (Though lumping Alex Jones as news even among these people is a streeeetch) that have spent years teaching conservatives to believe in ludicrous conspiracy theories.

I mean its, pizzagate, or the deep state, or the liberal news media run by the globalists (jews), the latest I've heard is the kids that survived the shooting in parkland were all crisis actors and is being puppet mastered by the leftist anti-gun conspiracy, and its all the leftists trying to turn America into a communist, socialist, maoist, secularist, and every other scary word that ends with "ist".

They hate their fellow American citizens that just so happen to disagree with their political perspective because they've been fed this conspiracy theory bullshit and it effects them in they way you describe in your OP.

Also I should note that the left is trying the same tactic with Russiagate now.

Its sad what all this has done to our national discourse.
SMH

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why does the right love the idealism of "America", but hate their fellow Americans, fellow human beings?

Because the idealism is better than oppressive socialism.

Socialists aren't much of human beings and certainly aren't "Americans" from the US perspective.

It's as if any time folks wish to stand up for their civil rights, the right sneers their noses. It's as if they don't WANT people to have a voice, except for their type (rightists), of course, when they want to trample on others' rights.

Could you imagine the atrocities that would still continue had human beings not stood up for their rights?

^^ actively advocates the destruction of civil rights in the name of "progress" LOL

Well, The Right has a right to their opinion, too. Us Democrats have a right to our opinion, but they have a right to a reaction, even if it's racist, misogynistic and all the other crap they come with.

So does the left.....but you don't have a problem with racism and sexism as long as it's aimed in the "progressive" direction do you??

 

[psiberzerker]

Why does the right love the idealism of "America", but hate their fellow Americans, fellow human beings?

"America" is ill defined. I think that might be the problem. (I don't really know.) It seems to mean so many different things to so many different people, and if you don't agree, you're Hitler.

Personally I blame guys like Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Fox news and every other right leaning news personality that have spent years teaching conservatives to believe in ludicrous conspiracy theories.

I can't really do that. I mean, they profit off it, but really, they don't make anyone believe these whacky conspiray theories, I'm only really familiar with Rush, but he seems to pick up the pattern, and have Robyn write up some formulaic one for each show. "Yup," goes down the list, and then takes it in to read them.

He didn't make them like that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

"America" is ill defined. I think that might be the problem.

I don't think that's the problem. It's pretty well defined.

The problem is nobody cares to learn or pay attention to their education.

So they grow up thinking Capitalism is evil, Liberty is the problem and we should be attempting to be as much like Europe as possible because they are just so cool!!

Turns out the same people who think "school is dumb, especially lame ass history" turn out to be the same idiots crying "it's not fair!!" when they can't get a decent job and want the government to go forcibly take someone else's shit or deny them rights, treat them unequally so that things can "be more equal" for the dumb fucker who was too cool for school.

 

[Veroe]

"America" is ill defined. I think that might be the problem. (I don't really know.) It seems to mean so many different things to so many different people, and if you don't agree, you're Hitler.

Good point berserker.

Often it's like religion now. There's a huge difference between baptism by dunking under water or just sprinkling some on someone's forehead.

So too with people's interpretation of what America means.

Because the idealism is better than oppressive socialism.

Socialists aren't much of human beings and certainly aren't "Americans" from the US perspective

Wow disagreement about economic systems is apparently a determining factor of someone's humanity.

That sort of sentiment certainly doesn't fit into my interpretation of "American Idealism".

 

[psiberzerker]

There's a huge difference between baptism by dunking under water or just sprinkling some on someone's forehead.

Well we tried fire, but the smell of singed hair put off the whole parish. Maybe we should do it outdoors next time?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wow disagreement about economic systems is apparently a determining factor of someone's humanity.

That and their being "American" or not.

Don't support freedom? Not very "American" .

That sort of sentiment certainly doesn't fit into my interpretation of "American Idealism".

You don't think freedom and liberty are core tenants of "American idealism"?

 

[psiberzerker]

The problem is nobody cares to learn or pay attention to their education.

So they grow up thinking Capitalism is evil, Liberty is the problem and we should be attempting to be as much like Europe as possible because they are just so cool!

Well, I grew up thinking Texas could secede, so I suppose try try again? What did Santayana say about History? I forget.

You don't consider freedom of thought to be "American Idealism?"

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well, I grew up thinking Texas could secede, so I suppose try try again? What did Santayana say about History? I forget.

Yep.

You don't consider freedom of thought to be "American Idealism?"

Of course, that's why I support 1A rights so ardently....unlike factions of the right wing, and pretty much everything left of "progressive" including "progressives".

 

[psiberzerker]

unlike factions of the right wing, and pretty much everything left of "progressive" including "progressives".

See, this isn't freedom of thought, it's dictating what they think to them. (In jest. I get that, but play along.)

I'm just saying, when there's Nazis right here, doesn't calling people "Nazi" lose a little of it's sting?

 

[BotanyBoy]

See, this isn't freedom of thought, it's dictating what they think to them. (In jest. I get that, but play along.)

I'm just saying, when there's Nazis right here, doesn't calling people "Nazi" lose a little of it's sting?

It's become the new "wolf" for everyone who thinks "it's not fair!!" to cry.

 

[psiberzerker]

It's become the new "wolf" for everyone who thinks "it's not fair!!" to cry.

Show me a wolf. Until you do, you're the one crying "It's not fair!" (Direct quote). Your claim, the burden of proof is on you.

 

[Veroe]

That and their being "American" or not.

Don't support freedom? Not very "American" .



You don't think freedom and liberty are core tenants of "American idealism"?

I don't see how you equate either its capitalism or someone's not American. It's either capitalism or not for freedom and liberty. That's the sort of mentality the OP was talking about. Can't you entertain that the person that disagrees with you may not be evil but simply unaware of the truth as you see it?

It's not an either or situation: Agree with me or you're un-American.

And yes I think freedom and liberty are core tenants of American Idealism. Do you?

I don't understand why you keep bringing that up. We agree upon that. Our difference is the merits of capitalism as to the merits of socialism.

 

[psiberzerker]

Or the merits of some socialism, and some capitalism. I don't see the advantage of all means of production being run by private companies, and the citizens working minimum wage for mandatory cars. That doesn't seem to be working out.

Is it possible for you two to discuss a middle ground?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't see how you equate either its capitalism or someone's not American.

Because capitalism is economic liberty.

Socialism is economic oppression.

Directly.

And yes I think freedom and liberty are core tenants of American Idealism. Do you?

Yes, that's why I'm a liberal, not a socialist or other flavor of lefty.

I don't understand why you keep bringing that up. We agree upon that. Our difference is the merits of capitalism as to the merits of socialism.

No...I think both have merits, I just understand that one is pro liberty and the other is pro oppression and I support liberty over oppression.

Or the merits of some socialism, and some capitalism. I don't see the advantage of all means of production being run by private companies, and the citizens working minimum wage for mandatory cars. That doesn't seem to be working out.

Is it possible for you two to discuss a middle ground?

But private property and companies =/= citizens working for minimum wage.

If anything it's brought about more prosperity and wealth than ANY OTHER economic system....turns out the vast majority of people are much better at taking care of their needs than the government is.

That's why when we were building broadway and Hollywood....the Soviets were eating their kids.

 

[psiberzerker]

Socialism is economic oppression.

Who owns the internet? Who owns the roads?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Who owns the internet? Who owns the roads?

The people who use and thus pay for them.

Sometimes the "owner" is private, sometimes it's public.

None of it is forced.

 

[psiberzerker]

The people who use and thus pay for them.

Right, also payed for by taxes. So, at least you're not saying Taxation is Theft. On the internet.

Might there be some middle ground between nobody owning anything, and corporations owning the wage slaves?

 

[Veroe]

Who owns the internet? Who owns the roads?

The people who use and thus pay for them.

Sometimes the "owner" is private, sometimes it's public.

None of it is forced.

You should try explaining that to Ajit Pai.

 

[psiberzerker]

You should try explaining that to Ajit Pai.

They're not here. So, can we talk to each other, instead of inventing progressives to call us Nazis, and Play the Victim?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Right, also payed for by taxes.

Taxes I don't have to pay....it's voluntary.

Except for the creation of the internet which was a defense thing and back to theft.

So, at least you're not saying Taxation is Theft. On the internet.

Voluntary taxation (like for roads) isn't theft, because it's voluntary.

I don't have to give California a few grand every year for that little sticker on my plates......I know Texas DOT doesn't come blow your doors off and fuck you up for not giving them their hundo or whatever they charge now-a-days.

Involuntary taxation by force, like with your income or Obamacare.... is theft.

Might there be some middle ground between nobody owning anything, and corporations owning the wage slaves?

Name a corporation that owns any slaves.

I'm sure the popo's would love to hear about it because super fuckin' illegal.

You should try explaining that to Ajit Pai.

Why? Is he trying to control the internet and tax everyone for it?

 

[Veroe]

Right, also payed for by taxes. So, at least you're not saying Taxation is Theft. On the internet.

Might there be some middle ground between nobody owning anything, and corporations owning the wage slaves?

A well regulated Capitalist system. I'm not talking regulations for the sake of regulations either. I'm saying the government doing its god-damned duty to the people because these companies won't do that in any free market system. Their motive isn't the good of their customers or their workers. These companies sole motive is to maximize their profits, which is good but only balanced by the government looking out for the consumers and citizens it is supposed to represent balanced by an equal obligation to the health of these industries and the economy as a whole.

The problem with that is the corporations have our politicians in their pockets, so the government won't do its duty to in its balancing act because they're paid not to anymore. So with that cat asleep the mice get to maximize their profits to millions and millions of dollars and everyone else gets fucked.