Jussie Smollett Trial Begins

[Sugar Baby Wanted]

Whereas I think the Democrats run rings around the Republicans where principle and integrity are involved. If they had the lack of morals and the unprincipled scheming that the Republicans had, they'd be able to wipe the floor with anyone following a man like Trump.

Don't even bother to tell me the two parties are on a parity in terms of being unprincipled and amoral. That dog don't bark.

Quoting this for posterity. Which party comes into power broke and leaves enriched?

How did the Clintons do with their "charity"?

Freaking lying crooks take the cake when it comes to dirty, lying, cheating politicians..

Every democrat city is crooked beyond belief. You are one stupid MF.

 

[jomar]

We could have resolved the Dreamers issue, but it was more important to not give trump a victory. What was the motto "resist and obstruct?" Both parties are the same exact shit.

Lol! Define resolve.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tru...X-IAfMNkgEEMjEuMpgBAKABAbABCg&sclient=gws-wiz

And do you remember, after trump was elected and repubs had both houses but couldn’t get shit done, Paul Ryan saying the repubs had been the party of obstruction for so long they forgot how to govern.

 

[LittleDixie]

"Smollett, who is Black and openly gay..."

How many times have you all seen or heard this? It's like this line is a signal to the Left of his intersectional status.

Do you think that they will use this line when he is found guilty?

Smollett, who is Black and openly gay was found guilty on all counts of lying to the police and filing a false police report. Smollett, who is Black and openly gay hired his friends to hoax a hate crime so he could lie to his fans and all of America so he'd look like a victim who fought back. Smollett, who is Black and openly gay wanted to be the center of attention and to wage war against a phantom enemy of his own creation in the hopes that other people would fight that war and hurt or kill people he decided were bad. Smollett, who is Black and openly gay tried to start another Civil War.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ry-run-one-day-alleged-hate-crime-attack.html

 

[Champakian]

He's openly black too!

 

[GothTalk]

"Smollett, who is Black and openly gay..."

How many times have you all seen or heard this? It's like this line is a signal to the Left of his intersectional status.

Do you think that they will use this line when he is found guilty?

That's exactly what it is.

And I think they'll frame the guilty verdict as white supremacy victimizing another poor poor gay man of color.

 

[bellisarius]

He's openly black too!

Yeah, he came 'out' a couple years ago.

 

[LittleDixie]

That's exactly what it is.

And I think they'll frame the guilty verdict as white supremacy victimizing another poor poor gay man of color.

Oh, you know they will. Totally.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Oh, you know they will. Totally.

That's the core tenet of CRT, no, that racism is present in all situations in America, and at all times? It's only a matter of stripping away the layers of false morality, ethics, logic, etc. to get to the exercising of raw, brute power against the oppressed, marginalied of society.

 

[LittleDixie]

That's the core tenet of CRT, no, that racism is present in all situations in America, and at all times? It's only a matter of stripping away the layers of false morality, ethics, logic, etc. to get to the exercising of raw, brute power against the oppressed, marginalied of society.

Do you think that this is all calculated? If you step back, this is really quite brilliant. Evil, but brilliant. Was it something they consulted specialists and psychologists on or is this just something that happened naturally? Or, a mix between the two?

 

[KeithD]

Quoting this for posterity. Which party comes into power broke and leaves enriched?

How did the Clintons do with their "charity"?

Freaking lying crooks take the cake when it comes to dirty, lying, cheating politicians..

Every democrat city is crooked beyond belief. You are one stupid MF.

The Clintons do quite well in their charity work. They get high marks for it. Where have you heard otherwise? Trump's charity was closed down because it was going into his family's pockets. Why are you ignoring this? Who do you think you're fooling.

Charity Navigator gives the Clinton foundation 87.51 out of 100 on financials and 100 out of 100 on accounting and transparency. It gives the Trump foundation nothing, because the courts shut the Trump foundation down.
https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/311580204

And what the hell does this have to do with the Smollett's case?

 

[Rightguide]

Waste of tax payer money. People lie to the police every day.

No, it isn't. The practice is against the law. The law should be enforced. If people can get away with lying to the police, what's next lying in court? How'd you like to go to jail on false testimony? It's a slippery slope, Johnny. As an aside we have hordes of organized criminals entering stores and leaving the shelves empty because somebody thought prosecuting shoplifting was a waste of taxpayer's money.

 

[Rightguide]

The Clintons do quite well in their charity work. They get high marks for it. Where have you heard otherwise? Trump's charity was closed down because it was going into his family's pockets. Why are you ignoring this? Who do you think you're fooling.

Charity Navigator gives the Clinton foundation 87.51 out of 100 on financials and 100 out of 100 on accounting and transparency. It gives the Trump foundation nothing, because the courts shut the Trump foundation down.
https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/311580204

And what the hell does this have to do with the Smollett's case?

The contributions to the Clinton Foundation, especially those made by foreign governments were intended in large part to be a pay to play scheme, or else why would they all drop off the moment she was defeated in 2016? It was an influence buying scheme. This is why she used a private email and spent a lot of effort avoiding the federal records act.

https://i.imgur.com/HCW9Iu3l.jpg

 

[phrodeau]

The contributions to the Clinton Foundation, especially those made by foreign governments were intended in large part to be a pay to play scheme, or else why would they all drop off the moment she was defeated in 2016? It was an influence buying scheme. This is why she used a private email and spent a lot of effort avoiding the federal records act.

https://i.imgur.com/HCW9Iu3l.jpg

What’s wrong with influence peddling? Trump did it all the time, yielding much higher amounts of cash.

https://www.citizen.org/news/trumps...ling-demolishing-safeguards-and-self-dealing/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...s-in-massive-influence-peddling-operation/amp

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/9419-1

 

[GothTalk]

What’s wrong with influence peddling?

According to Democrats it's white supremacy, privilege over and oppression of people of color.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

According to Democrats it's white supremacy, privilege over and oppression of people of color.

Which Democrats said that?

 

[GothTalk]

Which Democrats said that?

Most of them, including yourself.

It's all that woke crazy shit you retards have been spewing for years.

Just ask peck about Citizens united, he'll tell you.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Most of them, including yourself.

It's all that woke crazy shit you retards have been spewing for years.

Just ask peck about Citizens united, he'll tell you.

Should be easy to back up your claim unless you're lying. Again.

 

[NorthernVAM]

Whereas I think the Democrats run rings around the Republicans where principle and integrity are involved. If they had the lack of morals and the unprincipled scheming that the Republicans had, they'd be able to wipe the floor with anyone following a man like Trump.

Don't even bother to tell me the two parties are on a parity in terms of being unprincipled and amoral. That dog don't bark.

Seriously? Let's see .. do you think that the Steele dossier and the conviction of Igor Danchenko - and the fact that the dossier was mostly manufactured by Democratic partisan. Are these examples of ethical and moral behavior?

OK ... you can lie to yourself because the unethical people in power advance your particular political cause .. I don't have a problem with that, I think that is more accurate in terms of the "truth" than trying to believe that one side has the moral high ground. You just don't want to accept the fact that the people representing ideas that you like are just as morally bankrupt as the people representing ideas that you don't like.

Besides the Steele Dossier -- there are plenty of examples of lack of integrity on the Democratic side -- pick your issue / politician from the list below:

Lying under oath about a blowjob / Bill Clinton
MeToo / Al Franken
Election Rigging / Debbie Wasserman Shultz <- she had to resign as DNC chair was it because she was rigging the primaries against Bernie.
Plagiarism & Lying / Joe Biden -- He's as good as Reagan was as creating fictional stories
Euthanasia / Andrew Cuomo <-- That's just one -- add in lying, covering up, and targeting whisleblowers with the help of his brother.

I'd add in Chris Cuomo into the mix, but he really isn't a politician .. but I ask you how is Donald Trump's behavior towards women any different than the Cuomo brothers? Or if you want to look at breaking news, it looks like Don Lemon is on his way down as well.

And .. I tend to believe in due process .. and my guess is that Andrew Cuomo will be convicted of criminal behavior before Donald Trump is going to be convicted.

Anyway -- if you are going to say that one party has more ethical / moral folks than the other .. I think you are ignoring the objective data and you have a bias that you aren't admitting to, and in the end, it's an indication of a problem with your integrity ...

Does that make sense?

 

[NorthernVAM]

And what the hell does this have to do with the Smollett's case?

Well,

If you go back and read my post -- what I was originally saying was that it's a mistake to focus on Smollett's behavior, as his behavior is a symptom of a larger problem -- which I believe is an overall integrity problem in our society.

In addition, all the other issues that you guys bring up about both Democrats and Republicans behaviors -- they are all are symptoms. Even the fact that you guys would rather call each other names rather than thoughtfully explore what the root cause of these issues are. Our societal problems are complex issues, and existed before the current generation of leaders, and will exist into the next generation.

Part of our issue really centers around morality, integrity, and the trust we place in our governmental institutions. While no system of government is perfect, and no system will ever be, we seem to have a divide in the country on whether we can believe some of our fundamental institutions -- like our government -- like what is reported in the press -- etc.

Ask yourself this -- how do you discern whether someone is telling you the truth?

For politicians, how do you discern that they are telling the truth?

For reporters, how do you know that they are presenting both sides of an argument?

For the justice system, how do you know that the prosecutors / police are behaving in a fair and ethical manner?

For sensational cases like the Smollett case, how do you discern whether or not he really was a victim?

In particular, the problem with the Smollett case was that there was a rush to judgement in the press outlets that wanted to promote a narrative that White Supremacists are pervasive in our society. If you look at it objectively, and you look at the history of our country, it's hard for me to believe that narrative. Just over the past 100 years, look how much progress we've made in terms of equal treatment of all citizens under the law. We've eliminated segregation laws, we've implemented anti-discrimination legislation, and over the past 50 years, we've really made lots of progress towards a society that lives up to its ideals.

Having said that -- I tend to reject the Marxists ideas that there is an "oppressor" class, and a "victim" class. I will acknowledge that the distribution of resources in all societies throughout human civilization has been unequal. I also believe that if you buy into any government that says they believe in equal distribution of resources, I'll tell you to go look at both the 20th century Communists (Soviets and China), and the Fascists (Germany and Italy). All of them wound up with a dictatorship in one form or another, and so anyone trying to sell me those ideas, I tend to think are just ignorant or if they aren't ignorant, then they are trying to manipulate me into believing something that supports a hidden agenda they have -- which is usually some form of power consolidation.

In general, the US was founded by a set of folks who were grappling with the problem of distributing power in such a way that a government could function, but limit it so that you wouldn't get a set of "elite citizens" or "royalty" where power was handed down through blood lines. They also distributed as much power across the individual states, and in doing so .. they avoided dealing with the slavery issue, which eventually came back with a vengeance, and we are still dealing with the after effects of that moral failure.

In theory, all citizens are supposed to be treated equally under the law, and while we know that doesn't happen because wealthy people get better representation because they have more resources, the principle of the system is that everyone should be treated equally. We just haven't figured out how to do that yet, and given the history of human civilization I don't have hope we will ever live up to our ideals, but I know we should keep striving to meet those ideals.

If you really want to have a meaningful discussion with people you disagree with, be respectful and rather than just spout your beliefs, listen to the other side, and let them make their case for why they believe what they do.

 

[pecksniff]

Quoting this for posterity. Which party comes into power broke and leaves enriched?

All parties.

 

[GothTalk]

Should be easy to back up your claim unless you're lying. Again.

Not at all.

If you want to pretend there are no woke idiots on the left, be that fucking retarded.

We all know there are a massive surplus of said idiots. Just look in the mirror Luk.

All parties.

Wow... peck being objective and non-partisan.

Shocked you didn't come back with how pure and altruistic anyone and everyone who has a (D) next to their name is.

It's ok, KeithD will be doing so again any time now.

 

[pecksniff]

Just ask peck about Citizens united, he'll tell you.

That's nothing to do with POC in particular, it's about money in politics, i.e., it lets the plutocracy rule.

 

[KeithD]

The contributions to the Clinton Foundation, especially those made by foreign governments . . .

Fact. The Clinton Charity is going strong with high watchdog ratings. I quoted the stats already.

Fact: The Trump charity was closed down by the courts for the whole family using it for a personal kitty.

Those are the facts. Thanks for bringing the topic up, RightCrumbleyGuard.

 

[NorthernVAM]

Fact. The Clinton Charity is going strong with high watchdog ratings. I quoted the stats already.

Fact: The Trump charity was closed down by the courts for the whole family using it for a personal kitty.

Those are the facts. Thanks for bringing the topic up, RightCrumbleyGuard.

So -- may I ask why you trust the watchdogs? My guess is that you will trust the watchdogs who support your personal opinions and distrust the ones that don't It's a form of confirmation bias ... If you are really interested in understanding how flawed we are a humans .. check out the work of this professor.

https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_our_buggy_moral_code?language=en

 

[Champakian]

"Jussie Smollett said he had correspondence with CNN's Don Lemon during the early parts of the Chicago Police Department’s (CPD) investigation into the alleged hate crime attack for which Smollett is currently on trial defending himself against allegations he faked the entire ordeal....

"Lemon told his viewers at the time that the story was "personal" since he and Smollett had been acquaintances and were in constant communication since the alleged incident and that Smollett told Lemon what he said had happened to him, which he admitted raised lots of questions."

He should be Cuomo'd...





https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...don-lemon-chicago-police-attack-investigation