Jumping into the fire ... Should the entire Non-Con category be eliminated?

[MillieDynamite]

 

[MiaBabe23]

Just seen above that the discussion has got far more disturbing than dms from creeps or discussion about non-consent in erotica
Guess there’ll always be a handful - the same people of course - who will find a way to turn a discussion to banned things…
And no need to spew your thoughts about me saying this if you’re one of the ones doing so, because you’re on ignore, for obvious reasons

 

[cw5523729]

You're addressing the people you blocked because you saw their message and want them to know you saw their message but you won't see their reply to your message because you blocked them because of their message so they shouldn't bother to respond to your message anyway unless they aren't sure if their message is one of the ones you're addressing in which case they'd be blocked so the only way to find out if they are blocked because of their message is to therefore address your message and see if you reply which you won't if it was but will if it wasn't?

 

[MillieDynamite]

I haven't a clue what she's on about! What posting in here promoted banned subjects? Did I miss 'em, make 'em, or make fun of 'em?

You're addressing the people you blocked because you saw their message and want them to know you saw their message but you won't see their reply to your message because you blocked them because of their message so they shouldn't bother to respond to your message anyway unless they aren't sure if their message is one of the ones you're addressing in which case they'd be block so the only way to find out is to therefore address your message and see if you reply which you won't if it was but will if it wasn't?

 

[cw5523729]

I haven't a clue what she's on about! What posting in here promoted banned subjects?

You know, that offensive one of these 429 posts in this 18 page thread.

Did I miss 'em, make 'em, or make fun of 'em?

Possibly, likely, and very likely

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I haven't a clue what she's on about! What posting in here promoted banned subjects? Did I miss 'em, make 'em, or make fun of 'em?

I'm so confused right now.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I'll drink to that!

I'm so confused right now.

 

[ColtonWrites]

To drag the conversation back to the point, lol, I had more thoughts on the concept of using non-con to explore my own thoughts.

I'm trans-masculine and I have an eating disorder. I have a LOT of body image issues, and right now Im struggling with the fact that the world likes to validate my feelings of being unattractive (no one in my entire life has called me "hot", ever -my wife is asexual, its complicated. I've never had someone offer to buy me a drink at a bar. Etc.).

Most of the characters I write are queer and trans men, and I write from 1st person POV of the role of the sub/pursued character. Its really, really empowering to write about someone finding a trans male character *so hot* they *must have him*.

I recently started walking with a cane and I have a lot of complex feelings about that. Its freeing in some ways - I can move faster, stand longer, with less pain - but also, I'm 38 and its degenerative. I will always need it, now. So? I wrote a BDSM story with reluctance themes about a guy with a cane. Again, someone like me, but who is *so desired* that the attractive Dominant wants him even over his objections.

I dont *need* to share these stories to get some of the cathartic value. I dont share everything I write - the stuff that gets really dark stays on my personal computer. But...not to sound vain but some of my stuff is objectively good writing! Im prideful enough to want other people to read it and think that too. And also to know that other people are reading my story about a hot, desirable trans guy, and agreeing with me that trans men can be hot and desirable.

 

[Bramblethorn]

It's perfectly legal to write about underage sex. It's perfectly legal to have adult actors portray underage characters that have sex. It doesn't matter if it's fiction or documentary, it's all perfectly legal.

It's not so straightforward. Writing about under-age sex is not automatically illegal (and there are plenty of examples of it in mainstream published fiction) but depending on the circumstances it can amount to "obscenity", which is exempt from First Amendment protections. There have been several cases in the last decade where people have gone to jail under US law for hosting text fiction about sexual abuse involving minors.

For instance, USA v. Frank McCoy (2015): https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca11/13-14350/13-14350-2015-03-12.html

Thomas Alan Arthur aka MrDouble (2021): https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdtx/pr/terlingua-man-sentenced-prison-running-child-obscenity-website

Ron Kuhlmeyer (2023): https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/man-sentenced-running-child-obscenity-website

Each of those guys also ended up with convictions for graphic material, but at least for McCoy and Arthur there were convictions specifically for the text material; I think this is also the case for Kuhlmeyer based on the linked DoJ article, but I'm not absolutely certain.

The material they hosted is far more extreme than what's on Literotica, and one would hope that Literotica is on the other side of the "obscenity" line, but who knows where today's SCOTUS would come down on it?