Jumping into the fire ... Should the entire Non-Con category be eliminated?

[kreemi_pi]

I don’t enjoy most non-con, but occasionally something interesting can be found there. I stumbled into it for a Halloween story I wrote, so I read a few to get a quick handle on the tropes. While not great, I find it preferable to Mind Control. At least in R/NC people are allowed to resist.

Yeah, totally agree, there can be some good, suspenseful, erotic stories in c/nc. I've seen some i really liked, some were mediocre, anf some were terrible. Like every category.

What I HAVEN'T is anything that was really disgusting or disturbing. I think those are probably rejected.

As long as there's some process for keeping out the really creepy stuff, my view is the category is fine. This is sexual fantasy and thst's a powerful one.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I don’t enjoy most non-con, but occasionally something interesting can be found there. I stumbled into it for a Halloween story I wrote, so I read a few to get a quick handle on the tropes. While not great, I find it preferable to Mind Control. At least in R/NC people are allowed to resist.

I agree, I don't wade into that category here on Lit. That said I read a story on another site that started with the premise of blackmailing someone into exhibitionism. It was really well done as the character struggled with their feelings about what was happening.

 

[kreemi_pi]

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Owww.

By butt hurts now.

 

[cw5523729]

I agree, I don't wade into that category here on Lit. That said I read a story on another site that started with the premise of blackmailing someone into exhibitionism. It was really well done as the character struggled with their feelings about what was happening.

Was it one of those rapey non-traditional males that did the blackmailing?

Never mind, don't answer. I'm sure it was. And if you say it wasn't, I'm still sure it was.

 

[kreemi_pi]

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Was it one of those rapey non-traditional males that did the blackmailing?

Never mind, don't answer. I'm sure it was. And if you say it wasn't, I'm still sure it was.

So busted....

 

[KittyOfSteele]

I read them all... none of this explains why it is wrong to call out a particular group. We had a specific example, with a specific group responsible.
There is zero logical reason not to name and shame.

Ok, the full story regarding Tumblr is the following: Tumblr claims they removed NSFW in the name of diversity and inclusion. The reality is that Apple forced Tumblr into doing that by removing Tumblr from their app store under the circumstances that Tumblr hosted CSAM. What I did was call out the bullshit that Tumblr said, because what happened behind the scenes is what compelled them to ban all NSFW content immediately.

And do you know who was the people who migrated from Tumblr to Xitter after the NSFW got banned? The same diverse and inclusive group they were supposed to keep in their platform.

I am not defending that group whatsoever, even more when I've had way too many fights with them; some of them very recent. I am, however, calling out that what Tumblr did, which was awful, was not as simple as Tumblr making an environment more appealing to everyone. It was caused by Apple telling them to clean up their shit, and Tumblr did way too good of a job that they eventually lost a large portion of their user base.

It was never about diversity or inclusivity. It was about executives going way too far on solving problems. Last I heard (which it might be hearsay because I can't find any source from this), around the time NSFW and horror videogames started to be censored this year by the same diverse and inclusive crowd (aka Collective Shout; the first examples of the feminists I mentioned first on the list), Tumblr blamed Apple on their decision of being forced to remove all NSFW content.

I don't know why you're hyperfocused on me saying it is wrong to call out a particular group when I even mentioned it FIRST on the list of censors of this year. I keep saying it is never about left or right because EVERYONE is in on it for whatever reasons they have because the attack on NSFW material this year was coordinated across the political isle, and the majority of them are secular. But of course, there's always someone blaming either the liberals or the conservatives because they already made up their mind on who the enemy is. THAT'S the manipulation I'm calling out. THAT'S what I'm pointing at when someone misses the point of censorship. THAT'S why it looks like I'm not pointing fingers at one group: BECAUSE it's a fucking web of intrigue that's going on, and EVERYBODY has a reason for be in it.

Collective Shout bullied VISA, MasterCard, and PayPal, whom in turn fucked over Steam and itch.io's way to make money. Payment processors are still bullying Steam to compliance to their rules, thus Steam is still removing content to this day. VISA and MasterCard also had issues with Japan, and have refused to do transactions on the purchase of manga. Then Texas banned anime. The UK unleashes the Online Safety Act, Australia is following suit, and I believe the Australian government has congratulated Collective Shout. Brazil's leftist government is planning on releasing their own version of the Online Safety Act, and I believe Mexico's leftist government is also doing that. The European Union seeks to also do the same. There's already several places in the world in which you can't enter pornographic websites without giving an ID, and if I recall correctly, it happened in both blue and red States in the USA. A new industry regarding age verification popped up out of nowhere, and of course the banks are throwing money on that industry, especially now that it will collect biometric data and legal documents about to enter legally in the data market.

Collective Shout, like Sweet Baby Inc. before them, is interested controlling the content in the name of diversity and inclusivity, but while Sweet Baby Inc. bullies studios into making stories which aren't racists, homophobic, or transphobic to their eyes, Collective Shouts wants to protect the children under the guise of radical feminism. Both are following the same playbook, and the same core reason of diversity and inclusivity.

The corporations mentioned are interested in making more money.

Governments are interested in control.

So yeah, forgive me for "defending" one group by not pointing at them because I'm very busy pointing at the WHOLE collective that's doing this coordinated attack. I think I'm done with this thread, and I'm done with this website for today.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Ok, the full story regarding Tumblr is the following: Tumblr claims they removed NSFW in the name of diversity and inclusion. The reality is that Apple forced Tumblr into doing that by removing Tumblr from their app store under the circumstances that Tumblr hosted CSAM. What I did was call out the bullshit that Tumblr said, because what happened behind the scenes is what compelled them to ban all NSFW content immediately.

And do you know who was the people who migrated from Tumblr to Xitter after the NSFW got banned? The same diverse and inclusive group they were supposed to keep in their platform.

I am not defending that group whatsoever, even more when I've had way too many fights with them; some of them very recent. I am, however, calling out that what Tumblr did, which was awful, was not as simple as Tumblr making an environment more appealing to everyone. It was caused by Apple telling them to clean up their shit, and Tumblr did way too good of a job that they eventually lost a large portion of their user base.

It was never about diversity or inclusivity. It was about executives going way too far on solving problems. Last I heard (which it might be hearsay because I can't find any source from this), around the time NSFW and horror videogames started to be censored this year by the same diverse and inclusive crowd (aka Collective Shout; the first examples of the feminists I mentioned first on the list), Tumblr blamed Apple on their decision of being forced to remove all NSFW content.

I don't know why you're hyperfocused on me saying it is wrong to call out a particular group when I even mentioned it FIRST on the list of censors of this year. I keep saying it is never about left or right because EVERYONE is in on it for whatever reasons they have because the attack on NSFW material this year was coordinated across the political isle, and the majority of them are secular. But of course, there's always someone blaming either the liberals or the conservatives because they already made up their mind on who the enemy is. THAT'S the manipulation I'm calling out. THAT'S what I'm pointing at when someone misses the point of censorship. THAT'S why it looks like I'm not pointing fingers at one group: BECAUSE it's a fucking web of intrigue that's going on, and EVERYBODY has a reason for be in it.

Collective Shout bullied VISA, MasterCard, and PayPal, whom in turn fucked over Steam and itch.io's way to make money. Payment processors are still bullying Steam to compliance to their rules, thus Steam is still removing content to this day. VISA and MasterCard also had issues with Japan, and have refused to do transactions on the purchase of manga. Then Texas banned anime. The UK unleashes the Online Safety Act, Australia is following suit, and I believe the Australian government has congratulated Collective Shout. Brazil's leftist government is planning on releasing their own version of the Online Safety Act, and I believe Mexico's leftist government is also doing that. The European Union seeks to also do the same. There's already several places in the world in which you can't enter pornographic websites without giving an ID, and if I recall correctly, it happened in both blue and red States in the USA. A new industry regarding age verification popped up out of nowhere, and of course the banks are throwing money on that industry, especially now that it will collect biometric data and legal documents about to enter legally in the data market.

Collective Shout, like Sweet Baby Inc. before them, is interested controlling the content in the name of diversity and inclusivity, but while Sweet Baby Inc. bullies studios into making stories which aren't racists, homophobic, or transphobic to their eyes, Collective Shouts wants to protect the children under the guise of radical feminism. Both are following the same playbook, and the same core reason of diversity and inclusivity.

The corporations mentioned are interested in making more money.

Governments are interested in control.

So yeah, forgive me for "defending" one group by not pointing at them because I'm very busy pointing at the WHOLE collective that's doing this coordinated attack. I think I'm done with this thread, and I'm done with this website for today.

But you got outraged that he mentioned them.
Collective Shout and Sweet Baby Inc are both left leaning groups. They pressured companies into doing what they wanted. IE getting "woke".
These companies suffered financial harm as a result. IE "go broke".

What @Bazachtrain said was an accurate, if simplified characterization of what happened.
For some reason that offended you.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I am not aware if I'm still being politically persecuted or not because of my involvement in something I couldn't say no to last year, so no, for my own safety, I can't tell.

Like many of us would believe you or any group of citizens are accosted on the street, have your electronics searched for content and it not being publicized. If you are free enough to post here, the word would be out.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I agree, I don't wade into that category here on Lit. That said I read a story on another site that started with the premise of blackmailing someone into exhibitionism. It was really well done as the character struggled with their feelings about what was happening.

That in itself is the essence of Non-consent/reluctance. The humiliation/angst of being forced to comply to an uncomfortable (emotionally as much as physically) demand. I personally do not like to read stories where the victim is destroyed physically or metaphorically. There are many like that. Wild, over the top scenarios where the person has no future, no hope.
I write other types of stories, many of which are in the non-consent category. Reading somebody cheerfully letting his wife lock him into chastity, beat his ass, cheat on him with one and all while he sits and revels with the attention is not erotic. There is no sense of self in those stories.

 

[Rambling_Chantrix]

*stumbles in, bleary-eyed*
Collective Shout is "left-leaning" now?

Damn, the Overton window moves fast

Anyway, if you push any kind of fiction to the margins and/or criminalize it, only marginalized people and/or criminals will write it. The more you try to stamp it out, the more toxic it will become. Should people write fiction that glorifies harmful behavior? No. Should we design our societies around gag orders on any topic that could possibly be weaponized? Also no.

One of the almost singularly beautiful aspects of written fiction is that it can be produced and consumed with far fewer real-world consequences than most media. People write stories about dark things to feed their shadows, to process trauma, to reconnect with injured parts of themselves, to extend grace to other hurt people, to sublimate urges that might otherwise be embodied. It's a site of transformative healing. Whether or not Literotica should position itself as a harbor for that process is maybe a separate question from whether or not an ambiguous "we" should allow noncon fiction in "our" society, but art bans are a slippery slope, and a favorite tool of fascists. Careful what you wish for

 

[CalBishForNow]

But you got outraged that he mentioned them.
Collective Shout and Sweet Baby Inc are both left leaning groups. They pressured companies into doing what they wanted. IE getting "woke".
These companies suffered financial harm as a result. IE "go broke".

Collective Shout's founder and director describes herself as a conservative Christian. In addition to opposing porn, she's also opposed to abortion and birth control. Calling them left-wing looks like the biggest bit of bullshit in this thread, and that's saying a lot.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Collective Shout's founder and director describes herself as a conservative Christian. In addition to opposing porn, she's also opposed to abortion and birth control. Calling them left-wing looks like the biggest big of bullshit in this thread, and that's saying a lot.

I've been assured by all the best people that they are feminists, and as we all know feminism is left leaning.

 

[cw5523729]

I've been assured by all the best people that they are feminists, and as we all know feminism is left leaning.

So those traditional men are left leaning as well, I assume?

 

[Cagivagurl]

I'm sorry to put this so bluntly,
But,
Does this mean that if a rapist treats a victim with kindness, the victim might later fall for them, making everything not so icky?

No, because there was no rape, no sexual connection of any kind....
As I said, read the story... Before commenting...

Cagivagurl

 

[cw5523729]

No, because there was no rape, no sexual connection of any kind....

Uh huh, yep. So you said. A totally platonic kidnapping story on the erotic literature site. Got it.

 

[Cagivagurl]

You have no control over who gets aroused or titilated by what you write. This is what you refuse to understand.

Yes, I think you do have an element of control...
Treat the abuse as exactly that... Abuse, unacceptable and unappreciated...
Non sexual....

Cagivagurl

 

[Off_base]

No, because there was no rape, no sexual connection of any kind....
As I said, read the story... Before commenting...

Cagivagurl

But there was physical abuse.
I read it, 5 stars from me. Loved it.

 

[cw5523729]

But there was physical abuse.
I read it, 5 stars from me. Loved it.

Oh, so you get off on rape-porn then, eh? Pervert.

 

[Off_base]

Yes, I think you do have an element of control...
Treat the abuse as exactly that... Abuse, unacceptable and unappreciated...
Non sexual....

Cagivagurl

This is honestly a wasted conversation.
You started out with "ban non con", because it glorifies rape and inspires bad actors.

Sounded legit.

Now it's been discovered that you think NC is full of glorified rape stories, but admitted that you don't read anything in the category.

Finally, we discover that you feel physical abuse is acceptable, as long as the abuser doesn't get turned on by it, because, meh...abuse happens.

Penetration or sexual assault, and the abusers state of arousal, are your lines in the sand.

Speaking of sand, put down the shovel. Your hole is deep enough.

 

[Off_base]

Oh, so you get off on rape-porn then, eh? Pervert.

Guilty

 

[Baztrachian]

Guilty

Honesty for the win.

 

[cw5523729]

Honesty for the win.

My mom did say it was the best policy

 

[Off_base]

Oh, so you get off on rape-porn then, eh? Pervert.

I was referring to  your reference to her story only, sorry if that's disappointing

 

[cw5523729]

I was referring to  your reference to her story only, sorry if that's disappointing

Oh, so you aren't a pervert? Uh huh. Sure. Wink wink. Me neither.