Joe Strummer Dead at 50

[rosco rathbone]

Clearly you must be quite young. You lack historical perspective. Put within the context of their time, the Clash were (are) brilliant. Yes, Fugazi are also an outstanding band, the other one I don't know much about as I find the music unlistenable but I understand they are politically astute so I wish them the best. However you have to look at this sort of thing chronologically. Of course the earlier stuff sounds thinner. It was earlier.

I'm 35, not sure how young that counts for in your book.

I do judge the Clash in context-in the context of rock, not the context of "punk rock" or political rock. Superlatively heavy groups such as Black Sabbath and the Ramones were making records earlier than the Clash, so were the Sex Pistols, to take an example from their own scene.(*) I defy you to name one single Clash track as electrifying as "Bodies"-which was also political in its own way, though not a very palatable message to the left.


* and many many many many more.

 

[peachykeen]

But, the whole thing with bands like the Clash at the time was to have stripped-down sound, as the early punk bands eschewed what they had come to see as bloated and over-stylized. Plus with the Clash they were heavily influenced by the reggae scene, and if you listen to the reggae music of the time it is also very sparse (you can hear this a lot in the first Police album as well). The Ramones comparison is fair enough, except the Ramones were coming from a much different scene (Voidoid/NYDolls etc) that was not nearly as reactionary as the English music scene at the time.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I understand that the Clash were part of a reaction against the bloated and stylized and I will backpedal and say that they were not entirely without merit. In particular, since you mention reggae, they influenced other bands to explore that style.However, although they were fine tunesmiths and looked cool, I cannot rate them as rock and rollers. Too rickety and English in a bad way (as opposed to say Zep, Sabbath, the Pistols, etc).

Also, in retrospect, the groups such as Zeppelin against whom they were revolting are clearly superior AS ROCK, once the tacky 70s window dressing is overlooked. Put Zeppelin and the Clash in a bare room with nothing but black jumpsuits to wear and guitars and drums to play, and the CLash would have been crushed llike bugs. BUGS isay.

 

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[Cuckolded_BlK_Male]

A crime against humanity.

A crime against 12 million victims.

A crime against America & Israel

I'll have your details by tonight


Nigger.

I'm sure that your Secret Squirrel routine frightens some of these suburban 'never looked beyond their subdivision types' but it's laughable to me. You're some fat pathetic piece of shit living in your mother's basement having delusions of grandeur about being a comando. You're a real life Dale Gribble.

By the way, fuck Israel ... or rather fuck the Likud party. They are a racist apartheid state, doing to the Palestinians exactly what the Nazi's did to them.

 

[rosco rathbone]

RATM are a sin against humanity

Their love of Islam and anything leftist is enough to justify their murder.

Granted, sir, but we are discussing rock qua rock and setting aside all political consideration. For instance, even if Robert Plant had been singing "I come to you to bring the news/Fuck the Pope and kill the Jews" in the opening stanza of "Immigrant Song", Zep would have been the finest groop in hard rock ON THEIR MUSICAL MERITS.

 

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[Cuckolded_BlK_Male]

cuckholder

Enjoy your visit paul you fucking filthy nigger


Michigan is nice this time of year

That would be a lot more impressive if you got the name right. But, you are right fucko, the weather is lovely ... personally I'd prefer more snow, and given my druthers in rather be in NYC for the Holidays ... but I suppose that it's nice enough.

 

[Weevil]

Michigan is nice this time of year

Hah! Finally a post that shows your complete and total idiocy.

Michigan nice this time of year. Hilarious.

On a side note, eh, I was never a fan of the reggae infused punk. But it's still sad.

RIP.

 

[Weevil]

Wait, hold on, am I allowed to have an opinion on Punk Music? I did buy the Velvet Underground box set but there are some Stooges B-sides I've missed.

 

[Cuckolded_BlK_Male]

On a side note, eh, I was never a fan of the reggae infused punk. But it's still sad.

RIP.

Let review, shall we?

• No taste in films
• No taste in music
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[Cuckolded_BlK_Male]

Hah! Finally a post that shows your complete and total idiocy.

Michigan nice this time of year. Hilarious.

On a side note, eh, I was never a fan of the reggae infused punk. But it's still sad.

RIP.

The weather is actually quite mild. It was in the mid 40's today ... I didn't even wear a coat!

Your obsession with me is really quite flattering though ... in a "patheti-sad" sort of way.

 

[Weevil]

The weather actually quite mild. It was in the mid 40's today ... I didn't even wear a coat!

Your obsession with me is really quite flattering though ... in a "patheti-sad" sort of way.

An obsession with you? You've posted on one of my threads, Me on one of yours. And the post had more to do with Joe Strummer, the crappy weather in Michigan and Hanns than you.

Except the second one. You'll notice however that I could care less about most of the things you talk about.

 

[Cuckolded_BlK_Male]

An obsession with you? You've posted on one of my threads, Me on one of yours. And the post had more to do with Joe Strummer, the crappy weather in Michigan and Hanns than you.

Except the second one. You'll notice however that I could care less about most of the things you talk about.

Yes of course, that's why you addressed your comments to me.

 

[Weevil]

Let review, shall we?

• No taste in films
• No taste in music
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  Wow, did I really used to be like this? I apologize to the rest of you. This guy is the pompous jackass I used to dream of being.

 

[Weevil]

Yes of course, that's why you addressed your comments to me.

Check it again champ. That first post is to Hanns. The second one, admittedly, was to you.