James Joyce

[sr71plt]

Believe me, Pilot, I'm tempted, but the last time we met over Ulysses it became far too personal and insulting.

Instead of denigrating the writer or his readers, why not accept that different readers are in tune with different writers and that the differences have no bearing on the worth of either reader or writer?

I think you should consider that it's both folly and ironic for you to try to steal my point--just to denigrate me.

I read for entertainment, as I indicated, not to be talked down to, as I posted. If that was fine with you, you wouldn't be talking down to me now. Buzz off.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Read half of a 2nd "story". Joyce was an ass-clown.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Read half of a 2nd "story". Joyce was an ass-clown.

I wouldn't say that but he does have a unique style in Ulysses that I just didn't enjoy. His short stories don't do it much for me either. I could say the same about Richard Brautigan's short stories. They just feel forced to me. Now Saki or Roald Dahl, they're just good story tellers without literary pretensions. IMHO.

 

[sr71plt]

Saki. Ah, now he could tell a good tale succinctly and clearly.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Saki. Ah, now he could tell a good tale succinctly and clearly.

I love Saki. Some of his stories are just riveting. The first time I laid hands on his short stories I couldn't stop reading them. In a class of his own.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Because you don't like an author or find her too "dense" for you, doesn't mean she's pretentious. Maybe you just have a touch of hubris, thinking what works for you is what is really good.

And Pilot, where did i steal your point? You seem pretty much to hold the opposite of my point of view.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

OK, I took the bait and looked at THE LUMBER ROOM by SAKI. His best story?

Its crap.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Because you don't like an author or find her too "dense" for you, doesn't mean she's pretentious. Maybe you just have a touch of hubris, thinking what works for you is what is really good.

And Pilot, where did i steal your point? You seem pretty much to hold the opposite of my point of view.

As a rule whatever survives outside a classroom is good stuff. Joyce and perfessers gotta have a classroom.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEg2dBm1R8

In its whole history Britain and its Commonwealth produced one world class composer.

 

[ishtat]

I love Saki. Some of his stories are just riveting. The first time I laid hands on his short stories I couldn't stop reading them. In a class of his own.

Saki's Sredni Vashtar is as good as a short story can be. PG Wodehouse is another favourite of mine; has anyone ever written dialogue better? And for complete contrast Chekov's The Lady with the Dog.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lFSzyZd-y0

Another rule PILOT forgot to mention is: The best artists create experience people wanna participate in. Above Jan Zwart composed most of the great hymns people love.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lFSzyZd-y0

Another rule PILOT forgot to mention is: The best artists create experience people wanna participate in. Above Jan Zwart composed most of the great hymns people love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBb8llRKLo

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0K4ax2gPcE

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WikZyrJkNaw

More Zwart

 

[ChloeTzang]

OK, I took the bait and looked at THE LUMBER ROOM by SAKI. His best story?

Its crap.

Like Ishtat said, try "Sredni Vashtar"

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Like Ishtat said, try "Sredni Vashtar"

So far your endorsemwnts don't impress me.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I search high and low for good stories, and wate plenty of money. In recent weeks I've been after what I call GHETTO VIGILANTE NOIR, that is killers who prey on black skinned ass-clowns. Last night I found two specimens by writers you never heard of. The fare isn't marvelous but better than what you write. Thetre cheap and I'll likely buy them.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I search high and low for good stories, and wate plenty of money. In recent weeks I've been after what I call GHETTO VIGILANTE NOIR, that is killers who prey on black skinned ass-clowns. Last night I found two specimens by writers you never heard of. The fare isn't marvelous but better than what you write. Thetre cheap and I'll likely buy them.

So many genres, so many readers, each with their own tastes. In the end it boils down to individual preferences as I think we've seen here. It's a great way to get exposed to writers one has never come across before or thought of reading. I'm reading "Fathers and Sons" by Turgenev right now - he's much more enjoyable to read thanJoyce for me.

 

[SimonDoom]

Like Ishtat said, try "Sredni Vashtar"

I had never read that before. That was fun.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

So many genres, so many readers, each with their own tastes. In the end it boils down to individual preferences as I think we've seen here. It's a great way to get exposed to writers one has never come across before or thought of reading. I'm reading "Fathers and Sons" by Turgenev right now - he's much more enjoyable to read thanJoyce for me.

Sure, everyone has an opinion, yet our choices rarely come telephone book size.

As a rule 33% is the magic number for things to happen. With a solid 33% on your side you can make anything happen.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Mind Reading, Pc, Or Stereotypes?

Stereotypes is the clay I use to shape characters.

When I took the 600 question MMPI test (Minnesata Multiphasic Personality Inventory) my Lie Scale was off the chart. I answered eavy question honestly but most people lie theor asses off, and the test assumes honest responswa are lies. All my characters are liars.

I assume people conform to the norms, and when a girl wins a pissing contest with guys, someone is fulla shit.

 

[SamScribble]

Stereotypes is the clay I use to shape characters.

When I took the 600 question MMPI test (Minnesata Multiphasic Personality Inventory) my Lie Scale was off the chart. I answered eavy question honestly but most people lie theor asses off, and the test assumes honest responswa are lies. All my characters are liars.

I assume people conform to the norms, and when a girl wins a pissing contest with guys, someone is fulla shit.

I remember the MMPI from the early '60s.

'Given the same pay, would your rather be a colonel or a bishop?'

I guess that was to try and discover your preference in fancy dress.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I assume people conform to the norms, and when a girl wins a pissing contest with guys, someone is fulla shit.

For a long time I thought, surely people think like me. Then I discovered (from a number of psych profiles taken for various reasons), that I'm in the 1% profile on quite a number of key characteristics. Light bulb moment - no, most people don't think like me at all. I got on a lot better with humanity once I realised where the bell curve actually was....

 

[PTBARNUM]

I remember the MMPI from the early '60s.

'Given the same pay, would your rather be a colonel or a bishop?'

I guess that was to try and discover your preference in fancy dress.

Most tests follow the same construction path. Well defined cohorts answer questions the same. There are no right answers. The goal is to identify the questions all agree ob all the time.

 

[PTBARNUM]

For a long time I thought, surely people think like me. Then I discovered (from a number of psych profiles taken for various reasons), that I'm in the 1% profile on quite a number of key characteristics. Light bulb moment - no, most people don't think like me at all. I got on a lot better with humanity once I realised where the bell curve actually was....

All are different in every way. The other day I read high IQ is now a sign of mental illness. I made the same observation long ago. As a rule high scores point to pathology. And diversity is the name of the game.

What psychologists don't get is, a real world exists, and our traits conform to the reality or bot. Psychologists prefer to vote for false realities they ordain real and official. Lawyers do the same.