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It's Time To Abolish Teacher's Unions

pecksniff said:
We've gotten a largely literate population. If you want more, you have to match private schools' funding levels -- that's what works.
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Since the 1960s,we've increased K12 education funding by a factor of nearly 4 (in real terms) and test scores are flat or declining. Saying performance is hinged on funding is laughable.
 
Bud_Spencer said:
The evidence points to the contrary. We've pumped trillions in education for decades and gotten precisely zero for it.
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The nation spent $752.3 billion on its 48 million children in public schools in fiscal year 2019, a 4.7% increase from the previous year and the most per pupil in more than a decade.

$752.3 billion spent on 48 million students comes out to $15,672 per student per year.

https://www.census.gov/library/stor...ublic-schools-in-2019-highest-since-2008.html
 
LittleDixie said:
The nation spent $752.3 billion on its 48 million children in public schools in fiscal year 2019, a 4.7% increase from the previous year and the most per pupil in more than a decade.

$752.3 billion spent on 48 million students comes out to $15,672 per student per year.

https://www.census.gov/library/stor...ublic-schools-in-2019-highest-since-2008.html
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And most high schools in Baltimore can't produce a single graduate who can do math proficiently. Not. One.
 
LittleDixie said:
They get paid a whole lot more than I do and they work a whole lot less than I do.


Not my problem. If the parents in poor neighborhoods want to fund their schools more, maybe they should pay more taxes. Oh, but they don't want to pay more in taxes - they want someone else to pay more in taxes to pay for what they want. How about no.

Why does it have to be standardized? These are little human beings we are talking about, not machine parts.
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What line of work are you in & how much do you get paid??

I know it's silly of me to ask this because you're not really an underage girl like you pretend to be.
 
LittleDixie said:
Teachers get $44.50 per hour and have most of every year off. And all of this and they get pensions that pay them forever and they get health care...
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No, they don't you stupid fuckwad. Do you really think teachers don't work on designated breaks? Do you not think they should get paid well for educating our youth? I mean, I know school di you no good but others need a chance. Pension? They have to be 50 with 30 years of teaching. You'll never accomplish either.
 
Bud_Spencer said:
And most high schools in Baltimore can't produce a single graduate who can do math proficiently. Not. One.
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Wait, is it most or none??

You would think someone denigrating the public schools would know how to write proficiently.
 
LukSkyFokker said:
No, they don't you stupid fuckwad. Do you really think teachers don't work on designated breaks? Do you not think they should get paid well for educating our youth? I mean, I know school di you no good but others need a chance. Pension? They have to be 50 with 30 years of teaching. You'll never accomplish either.
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He didn't read the link he posted. His numbers are all probable, and he tried to pull off an apples to oranges comparison.

"The on-the-clock work days per year numbers are probably pretty accurate, But, again, we don’t know much about off-the-clock hours."

http://profitofeducation.org/?p=3686
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
Have anything to back that up?

The only reason I ask is that you seem to struggle with writing, math and science.
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I've already been cleared by Fuzzy, another EE. Whether you believe me or not is possibly the least important thing in my life.
 
Bud_Spencer said:
Now you know why I'm not lifting a finger to impress a mealy-mouthed mediocrity on a porn board.
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Bud, this is all they have. They don't have the ability to debate points with you, so they're just trying to throw shit around and annoy you.
 
Rightguide said:
It's long past due:


It’s Time to Abolish the Teachers Unions
A disaster for students and good teachers alike.

Thu Dec 23, 2021 Larry Sand

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.”

The above caveat about government unions – usually known by the kinder and gentler “public employee unions” – was not issued by the Koch Brothers or Donald Trump. The statement was made by none other than progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Additionally, George Meany, president of the AFL-CIO for 24 years, once stated, “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” Both men understood that the very nature of government makes it wrong for its leaders to enter into negotiations with any union. When government unions negotiate, they often sit across the table from people they helped put in office with generous campaign contributions. And when these unions go on strike, they walk out on the taxpayer.

In the private sector, if a business is forced to pay its workers more money, those costs are passed on to the consumer. If the cost of a product is raised too high, the purchaser can choose to go elsewhere. Most unions get this and realize they can’t bargain for excessive salaries and perks. But some unions push things too far and ultimately price their members out of a job. An example of the latter is the United Auto Workers, whose exorbitant demands drove car buyers to Japanese models and automakers to produce cars elsewhere, thus sending Detroit down the road to ruin.

But the government unions are always a nightmare for consumers, as they can’t shop elsewhere for services provided by the state, because the government has a monopoly on them. When union negotiators and elected officials agree on exorbitant pay packages and protections for cops, prison guards, firemen and teachers, what can the public do? Call a different fire department if their house is burning down?

There is an exception here with schools, but unless there is a parental choice system in place, where public tax money follows the child, only the well-to-do really have a choice. In exercising that option, they must pay twice, however – in state and local taxes which go to their local public school and tuition payments for the private one.

More here:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/12/its-time-abolish-teachers-unions-larry-sand/
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Chuckles...Good luck with that!

Maybe we should abolish dummies who didn't listen to their teachers and as a result say absurd crap constantly.
 
LittleDixie said:
Bud, this is all they have. They don't have the ability to debate points with you, so they're just trying to throw shit around and annoy you.
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Yeah, I know, and I'm the fool for falling for it. Every Sarge debate goes exactly this way.
 
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