It's Time To Abolish Teacher's Unions

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It's long past due:


It’s Time to Abolish the Teachers Unions
A disaster for students and good teachers alike.


Thu Dec 23, 2021 Larry Sand

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.”

The above caveat about government unions – usually known by the kinder and gentler “public employee unions” – was not issued by the Koch Brothers or Donald Trump. The statement was made by none other than progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Additionally, George Meany, president of the AFL-CIO for 24 years, once stated, “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” Both men understood that the very nature of government makes it wrong for its leaders to enter into negotiations with any union. When government unions negotiate, they often sit across the table from people they helped put in office with generous campaign contributions. And when these unions go on strike, they walk out on the taxpayer.

In the private sector, if a business is forced to pay its workers more money, those costs are passed on to the consumer. If the cost of a product is raised too high, the purchaser can choose to go elsewhere. Most unions get this and realize they can’t bargain for excessive salaries and perks. But some unions push things too far and ultimately price their members out of a job. An example of the latter is the United Auto Workers, whose exorbitant demands drove car buyers to Japanese models and automakers to produce cars elsewhere, thus sending Detroit down the road to ruin.

But the government unions are always a nightmare for consumers, as they can’t shop elsewhere for services provided by the state, because the government has a monopoly on them. When union negotiators and elected officials agree on exorbitant pay packages and protections for cops, prison guards, firemen and teachers, what can the public do? Call a different fire department if their house is burning down?

There is an exception here with schools, but unless there is a parental choice system in place, where public tax money follows the child, only the well-to-do really have a choice. In exercising that option, they must pay twice, however – in state and local taxes which go to their local public school and tuition payments for the private one.

More here:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/12/its-time-abolish-teachers-unions-larry-sand/
 
It's long past due:


It’s Time to Abolish the Teachers Unions
A disaster for students and good teachers alike.


Thu Dec 23, 2021 Larry Sand

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.”

The above caveat about government unions – usually known by the kinder and gentler “public employee unions” – was not issued by the Koch Brothers or Donald Trump. The statement was made by none other than progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Additionally, George Meany, president of the AFL-CIO for 24 years, once stated, “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” Both men understood that the very nature of government makes it wrong for its leaders to enter into negotiations with any union. When government unions negotiate, they often sit across the table from people they helped put in office with generous campaign contributions. And when these unions go on strike, they walk out on the taxpayer.

In the private sector, if a business is forced to pay its workers more money, those costs are passed on to the consumer. If the cost of a product is raised too high, the purchaser can choose to go elsewhere. Most unions get this and realize they can’t bargain for excessive salaries and perks. But some unions push things too far and ultimately price their members out of a job. An example of the latter is the United Auto Workers, whose exorbitant demands drove car buyers to Japanese models and automakers to produce cars elsewhere, thus sending Detroit down the road to ruin.

But the government unions are always a nightmare for consumers, as they can’t shop elsewhere for services provided by the state, because the government has a monopoly on them. When union negotiators and elected officials agree on exorbitant pay packages and protections for cops, prison guards, firemen and teachers, what can the public do? Call a different fire department if their house is burning down?

There is an exception here with schools, but unless there is a parental choice system in place, where public tax money follows the child, only the well-to-do really have a choice. In exercising that option, they must pay twice, however – in state and local taxes which go to their local public school and tuition payments for the private one.

More here:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/12/its-time-abolish-teachers-unions-larry-sand/

Parents have always had 100% choice in where they send their kid. The editorial defeats itself.
 
State issue.

States that want better education would shit can them.
 
The problem is the teacher's union donates huge amounts to political candidates. Once elected those officials are then lobbied by union reps to support added benefits and wage hikes for teachers in direct competition against the interests of the taxpayers who have to cough up the money to support both. The government wasn't established to represent the interests of itself.
 
Why does Vettebigot hate the constitution? Is he some kind of pinko?
 
Teacher's union spend millions on Democrat candidates. Big tech spent hundreds of millions on democrat candidates. I wonder why?

Because big tech has more, and, as with all corporate interests, donates to both sides so that whoever wins will owe them.
 
I think we should privatize the entire educational system.

Return the tax money paid by citizens and let them fund the school system that is right for their kids. Also, the people who don't have children should not be forced to pay for other people's.

Teachers are too lavishly paid and they get paid whether they do well, or poorly at their jobs. This should end.

Either your students learn well, or you're fired.
 
I think we should privatize the entire educational system.

That is never a good solution. There was a time when the British educational system was almost entirely private, and the results were not inspiring -- mass illiteracy and an ill-educated elite.
 
I think we should privatize the entire educational system.

Return the tax money paid by citizens and let them fund the school system that is right for their kids. Also, the people who don't have children should not be forced to pay for other people's.

Teachers are too lavishly paid and they get paid whether they do well, or poorly at their jobs. This should end.

Either your students learn well, or you're fired.

Screw all those teachers living in their mansions.

"Teachers make about 20% less than other professionals with similar education and experience."
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/why-teachers-salaries-are-so-low-in-the-us.html
 
I think we should privatize the entire educational system.

Return the tax money paid by citizens and let them fund the school system that is right for their kids. Also, the people who don't have children should not be forced to pay for other people's.

Teachers are too lavishly paid and they get paid whether they do well, or poorly at their jobs. This should end.

Either your students learn well, or you're fired.

shut the fuck up dp4shelley!
 
I think we should privatize the entire educational system.

Return the tax money paid by citizens and let them fund the school system that is right for their kids. Also, the people who don't have children should not be forced to pay for other people's.

Teachers are too lavishly paid and they get paid whether they do well, or poorly at their jobs. This should end.

Either your students learn well, or you're fired.

As someone who knows a teacher I can say with some certainty that they are paid anything but lavishly.

And privatizing schools is a bad idea.

It means the schools in rich neighborhoods would get extraordinarily well funded and the schools in poor neighborhoods would get extraordinarily poorly funded.

Also if they're fully privatized there's no way of standardizing what the kids are being taught in those schools. How much will you guys on the right go ape shit over CRT then?
 
Screw all those teachers living in their mansions.

"Teachers make about 20% less than other professionals with similar education and experience."
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/why-teachers-salaries-are-so-low-in-the-us.html

The average Teacher salary in the United States is $61,186 as of November 29, 2021, but the salary range typically falls between $53,489 and $70,681.

Teachers work 185 days per year. Of that, they can take 13.5 days off for paid leave. That means, that if they take all of that time off, they only work 171.5 days per calendar year. This means that Teachers have 193.5 days off - they have more time off of work than they have time working.

So $61,186 divided by 171.5 comes out to $356.76 per day, or (assuming an 8 hour day) $44.50/hour.

Teachers get $44.50 per hour and have most of every year off. And all of this and they get pensions that pay them forever and they get health care...

FUCK THIS SOB STORY ABOUT THE POOR TEACHERS. If being a teacher sucks so bad, come punch a clock with the rest of us and work Monday through Friday every single week.

https://www.salary.com/research/salary/listing/teacher-salary
http://profitofeducation.org/?p=3686
 
As someone who knows a teacher I can say with some certainty that they are paid anything but lavishly.
They get paid a whole lot more than I do and they work a whole lot less than I do.

And privatizing schools is a bad idea.

It means the schools in rich neighborhoods would get extraordinarily well funded and the schools in poor neighborhoods would get extraordinarily poorly funded.
Not my problem. If the parents in poor neighborhoods want to fund their schools more, maybe they should pay more taxes. Oh, but they don't want to pay more in taxes - they want someone else to pay more in taxes to pay for what they want. How about no.

Also if they're fully privatized there's no way of standardizing what the kids are being taught in those schools. How much will you guys on the right go ape shit over CRT then?
Why does it have to be standardized? These are little human beings we are talking about, not machine parts.
 
In the USA and Canada, the highest rated schools are all private schools.

Public schools can be good, but private schools outshine them decidedly.

Only because they are better funded, by prosperous parents -- not because they are insulated from public-school politics. Education is the kind of problem you can solve by throwing money at it.
 
Only because they are better funded, by prosperous parents -- not because they are insulated from public-school politics. Education is the kind of problem you can solve by throwing money at it.

The evidence points to the contrary. We've pumped trillions in education for decades and gotten precisely zero for it.
 
The evidence points to the contrary. We've pumped trillions in education for decades and gotten precisely zero for it.

We've gotten a largely literate population. If you want more, you have to match private schools' funding levels -- that's what works.
 
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