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shereads said:This is what you were missing?
BlackShanglan said:My favorite American football team lost the biggest possible game to a team that badly overmatched them. I was as proud of the close game as I could have been of a win - they played brilliantly and made a tight match out of a game that no one in the entire country thought they had a chance at. Good lads.
gauchecritic said:In 1634 the humourist and satirist Dalton Graves began an essay (using much earlier reasearch from a German named Hans Orff (antecedent of Carl) which led him to an early grave. He literally died laughing.
In 1898 a very young Austrian using the name Handle's Messiah managed to get three paragraphs into a monograph before he too succumbed to death by mirth.
At the tender age of 17 in Berwick-upon-Tweed Bill Billington added the punchline to a text by a team of experts at Carnegie Mellon university in the city of Mellon P.U and thereby was accredited as the first living person to unify global humour without actually smiling.
gauchecritic said:At the tender age of 17 in Berwick-upon-Tweed Bill Billington added the punchline to a text by a team of experts at Carnegie Mellon university in the city of Mellon P.U and thereby was accredited as the first living person to unify global humour without actually smiling.
Quiet_Cool said:Y'know, this thread is alot more fun from the outside...
shereads said:I could use some help finding a picture of Sonia Keppel.
shereads said:Oh my God! I had forgotten that joke. It created a scandal at the time, because it insulted a member of British aristocracy by comparing her to an animal. I remember reading that Billington committed suicide at the age of 21, having been blamed for offending the woman despite his having contributed only the punchline.
Unless I'm wrong, the woman was a daughter of Edward VII, Sonia "The Snout" Keppel - Camilla's grandmother! You don't happen to remember the animal, do you? If it was a dog, then it's possible that Letterman or someone on his staff are guilty of insulting Camilla with a plagiarized joke about her ancestor. You might be right about him. This is embarrassing.
A google search for the joke turned up nothing but dead ends. But I did find something about a Billington family of Berwick-Upon-Tweed. They raised dachshunds.
Boxlicker101 said:How long ago did this happen? If it was before the fifties, it wouldn't have been about a frisbie (or frisbee) because they weren't made commercially before then. Sonia Keppel was born in 1900 and by the time frisbees were around, she would have been about the age Camilla is today. If the joke happened to be about playing Fetch! or something like that, it would have been similar but enough diferent not to be plagiarism.
shereads said:I wish I knew the details of the joke. It's possible that home-made flying discs were in use at the time, but they would have been made of wood or metal. Only the cruelest dog owner or comedian would expect a dachshund or Sonia Keppel to catch such a thing in its mouth. Having seen Sonia, I don't doubt that she was subjected to cruel taunts. Still, she was the daughter of a king and it's inconceivable that anyone would have done that to her face on purpose.
Would a breakthrough joke have been possible without the added element of a toy or other object? Pre-WWI, our comedy needs might have been a lot simpler. It's possible that a declarative statement with one or more insults would have been funny as the very devil. "The King's bastard daughter looks like a bull terrier." It's not funny to me, but I've heard worse on Leno's show.
Boxlicker101 said:The original frisbies were around in the thirties. They were the metal pie tins being sold (with pies in them) by the Frisbie Pie Company in Conn. People used to play catch with them. Some big toy company patented them in the fifties and changed the name to "frisbee". On the other hand, "Fetch" has been played for centuries, thowing a ball or stick so the dog will run after it, pick it up and bring it back to the thrower. If the joke was about that, no plagiarism happened.
Boxlicker101 said:The original frisbies were around in the thirties. They were the metal pie tins being sold (with pies in them) by the Frisbie Pie Company in Conn. People used to play catch with them. Some big toy company patented them in the fifties and changed the name to "frisbee". On the other hand, "Fetch" has been played for centuries, thowing a ball or stick so the dog will run after it, pick it up and bring it back to the thrower. If the joke was about that, no plagiarism happened.
Perhaps it wasn't deemed so cruel if they threw the Frisbee while there still was some leftover pie in the tin.British Ultimate Federation homepage said:
The History of the Frisbee Disc
In 1871, shortly after the civil war, William Russell Frisbie moved to Bridgeport, Connecticut, from Bransford in order to manage a new bakery, a branch of the Olds Baking Company. After a short time W.R. Frisbie bought the bakery, situated on 363 Kossuth Street, and renamed in the Frisbie Pie Company. The company grew and at its peak in 1958 was producing 80,000 pies per day.
The Frisbie Pie company opened up close to the college which later became Yale (1887) and there are strong links with Yale as to the origination of the Frisbee.
There is some argument as to the source of the first frisbee; some say it lies with the pie tins and others with the cookie tin lids. The cookie argument is backed up by Charles O. Gregory who recalls "I clearly remember the cookies; and I also recall that the cover of the tin box was used by the older kids just the same way that frisbees are now used... When I went to college -Yale(1920)- I saw students using these same tin box lids as people now use Frisbees"
The more popular theory is that of the pie tin. Yale students frequently bought the Frisbie Pies and after eating them would toss the empty pie tin or prototype Frisbee around the Yale campus. Metal pie dishes are not the softest of missiles to be hit with and this led to throwers signalling the catcher of the approaching "Frisbee". To complicate matters there were three different sizes of pie tin with 10, 8 and 4 inch diameters, all bearing the Frisbie stamp. There were also pie tins without the stamp.
The evolution of the frisbee into a plastic disc is all down to one man, Fred Morrison, who came from an investive background. After the end of the second world war he started to develop flying discs. UFO's and flying saucers were beginning to hold people's attention and he decided to try and turn the idea into a craze.
Morrison had the idea of producing a plastic flying disc and working in conjunction with Warren Francioni (who is given little credit for his involvement) they produced the first crude attempt at a plastic disc. Morrison took his first disc to the Southern Californian Plastics Company on Los Angeles in 1948, and after scraping together enough money to make a mold for the injection molding process, and the first plastic plying discs were produced. The first disc is normally known as the Arcuate Vane model although Morrison also called it the Rotary Fingernail Clipper with the harder version being called the Pipco Crash named after Morrisons Pipco company. In 1951 Morrison went on to produce his second model called the Pluto Platter which he sold at county fairs with some success.
In 1955 Knerr and Melin, who had founded the Wham-O company in 1948, met up with Morrison and made him a proposition. This maked the true beginning of flying disc production and on Jan 13, 1957 the first Wham-O Pluto Platters flew off the production line. However, the discs did not catch on as Wham-O had hoped and with the success of Wham-O's hoola hoops disc production virtually stopped.
In 1958 the frisbie pie factory shut down and Fred Morrison was awarded the "flying disc" patent.
On May 26, 1959, in a bid by Wham-O to create a catchy name for its disc products, the word Frisbee became a registered trademark. Knerr picked up the term whilst on a trip round the campuses of the Ivy League. Harvard students told him how they had been throwing pie tins around for years and calling it Frisbie-ing. The terms Frisbie and Frisbie-ing appealed to Knerr and he borrowed them for use at Wham-O. Being unaware of the significance or the historical aspects of these words he miss-spelt them as Frisbee!
After the Pluto Platter, the Sailing Satellite, the Sputnik and the Flying Saucer, Wham-O produced the world's first Frisbee.
And the rest (as they say) is history....
Ian Scotland / iws1@le.ac.uk
Doom Note: This history is taken from... what is now... the British Ultimate Federation homepage. No idea who this Ian Scotland fellow is.
Virtual_Burlesque said:The cats would sit up on their haunches until he knocked them over with a blast of milk, they'd then retreat to were they could carefully wipe all the milk off their face fur with their paws, while cleaning and licking the milk from the fur on their paws.
Once clean, they would be sitting up beside him, waiting for another shot.
shereads said:By the letter of the law, I'm sure you're right. But let's be honest, here.
No thinking person (I learned that one from Amicus) could believe that the Camilla/dog joke is original, and not an uncredited reference to the historically significant joke about Camilla's appearance-challenged female ancestor and an animal. Dog or no dog. Frissbee or stick or illicit sexual liason.
Edited to add: If it's true that the first frisbees were pie pans with the pies still in them, catching one in the mouth could explain the poor cow's face.
Boxlicker101 said:By the way, how did we get so far off the original subject?
Boxlicker101 said:. . . I recall reading about vaudeville and other comedy routines where a pie hitting somebody in the face was a great joke. . . .
shereads said:Edited to add: If it's true that the first frisbees were pie pans with the pies still in them, catching one in the mouth could explain the poor cow's face.
sweetsubsarahh said:Oh my.
You're going straight to hell for that one, baby.![]()
shereads said:Lou called the poor bitch a cow. It's her royal family, so I thought I had permission.
I like Camilla. She has bones, and Joi de Vivre, and she wouldn't break in bed.shereads said:I should have explained: Letterman's comedy is about the absurdity of celebrity, particularly his own. His bad jokes are meant to be bad. That's the joke.
But it would be still be funny to see her catch a frisbee in her mouth.