ISRAELI ARMY ADMITS FAULT IN PALESTINIAN AMBULANCE MASSACRE!

[RobDownSouth]

Also, once they release the hostages, the war is over. Until then, every single casualty on either side is the fault of Hamas.

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said on Monday that securing the release of the Israeli captives held by Hamas was “not the most important goal” in its military campaign in Gaza.

“We have to say the truth, returning the hostages is not the most important thing, “ the far-right minister reportedly told Radio Galey Israel in an interview, according to The Times of Israel.

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This was NEVER about the "hostages". Ever. The "hostages" were a fig leaf, Israel had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to destroy Gaza.

On October 8, 2024, the nation of Israel sacrificed its soul for political expediency and declared a "Mass Hannibal"

The "Hannibal Directive" was IDF military doctrine that has been used by Israel on and off since 1986. When a Hannibal Directive is called, Israeli soldiers are required to shoot at escaping enemy vehicles regardless of whether they are suspected of containing captured Israeli soldier hostages or not.

This directive was extremely unpopular with the Israeli civilian populace, and formally disavowed by the Israeli government back in 2016.

When Hamas began taking hostages on Israeli soil, Israel did the unthinkable and declared a Mass Hannibal.....which meant any and all soldiers and/or Israeli civilians being held hostage by escaping enemy vehicles were to be annihilated.

Drone operators, attack helicopter pilots and tank commanders were ordered to kill anything that moved that was heading towards the Gazan border. It appears quite a few IDF soldiers suffer from PTSD being ordered to kill their own citizens.

The Israel government briefly acknowledged that a "Mass Hannibal" had been called but basically claimed the ends justified the means.....and also they would not investigate this as it would be "too painful" for the Israeli public.\\

This begs an important question: If Israel doesn't give a damn about their own citizen's lives....why should we?

"Returning the hostages" was never a primary goal of Israel. Going forward, anytime anyone here says "but...but...the hostages!" I will simply reply that under the auspices of Israel's own Hannibal Directive, their lives were deemed expendable under Israeli decree.

 

[cowboyup6977]

So, slightly less than 2,000 dead and hostages requires reducing Gaze to a moonscape and killing in excess of 40,000 people?

Don’t start something and then cry about it
You get what you deserve

 

[icanhelp1]

Don’t start something and then cry about it
You get what you deserve

I think it’s time to change the subject and start bombing Iran’s nuclear sites.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I think it’s time to change the subject and start bombing Iran’s nuclear sites.

Why? There was a perfectly good deal in place, the JPCA. The world monitors agreed Iran was abiding by the terms but Trump went and withdrew. Iran then went back to enriching uranium.

So now you want Trump to bomb a country, that Trump fucked over, and this makes sense in your mind.

 

[JohnEngelman]

When will Hamas apologize for terror attacks against Jews?

 

[rgraham666]

Don’t start something and then cry about it
You get what you deserve

At what point do the scales balance out?

 

[Politruk]

When will Hamas apologize for terror attacks against Jews?

What would be the point of that? There is no reason for Hamas to do anything at all that does not help to bring about an independent Palestine. How will apologies drive the Israelis out of the OTs?

 

[Lazaran]

At what point do the scales balance out?

Let’s use the U.S. scale for retribution / retaliation in similar circumstances…

Israel hasn’t even come close to what the U.S. has done in regards to retribution / retaliation in similar situations.

And Hamas has yet to surrender, release the remaining hostages, and/or relinquish power.

It seems like Israel’s work is not yet done. If Israel was facing a less fanatical genocidal / suicidal enemy, there is every reason to believe that the situation would have never happened in the first place, or at the very least, that the situation would have been resolved long ago.

Side question:

Is "regime change" in Gaza too much to expect after 10/7???

 

[Politruk]

Is "regime change" in Gaza too much to expect after 10/7???

What conceivable reason would the inhabitants have now to vote for any party that is not dedicated to destroying Israel? If it's not Hamas, the next regime will be somebody just like them.

 

[Lazaran]

What conceivable reason would the inhabitants have now to vote for any party that is not dedicated to destroying Israel? If it's not Hamas, the next regime will be somebody just like them.

Thank you for demonstrating why Israel should (has no other option but to) expel all "Palestinians" from Gaza. (and The West Bank???)

The Hamas 10/7 rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation set ALL of this in motion. The election of DonOld Trump (that was aided by the pro -"Palestinian" crowd) sealed Gaza’s (and The West Bank’s???) fate.

Oops.

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[JohnEngelman]

What would be the point of that? There is no reason for Hamas to do anything at all that does not help to bring about an independent Palestine. How will apologies drive the Israelis out of the OTs?

I want the Palestinians to be driven out so that Jews can settle and develop the land.

 

[Politruk]

I want the Palestinians to be driven out so that Jews can settle and develop the land.

There is no such place as "out." They have to go somewhere.

 

[JohnEngelman]

There is no such place as "out." They have to go somewhere.

There is plenty of room for the Palestinians in the Arab world.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

There is plenty of room for the Palestinians in the Arab world.

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Yemen could resettle the Gazans on the land they stole from the Jews when they ethnically cleansed them in the 1940’s.

 

[Lance_Castro]

After thousands of years of being persecuted, hated, genocided and being the butt of mockery in literature, the arts and entertainment….

…. Maybe Jews ought to consider changing the way they treat others?

Just a thought. Discuss, if you can.

 

[LLCox]

You have to break a few eggs to get the job done.

Apparently the IDF has to double down to get the Philistines to understand they are retards and to stop starting conflict.

 

[wallstreetguy]

So, slightly less than 2,000 dead and hostages requires reducing Gaze to a moonscape and killing in excess of 40,000 people?

Yeah. Around 3500 were killed at Pearl Harbor and that justified the deaths of millions of Japanese. You might want to read a history book some time.

 

[wallstreetguy]

After thousands of years of being persecuted, hated, genocided and being the butt of mockery in literature, the arts and entertainment….

…. Maybe Jews ought to consider changing the way they treat others?

Just a thought. Discuss, if you can.

I like how you segued from Israel to the Jews worldwide. Well done. At least you are honest, unlike the others here.

 

[wallstreetguy]

Care to expand on that cryptic comment???

He is saying that the Jews (we can skip "Israel") are Nazis (who killed tens of millions) because they retaliated against an attack that killed 1200 citizens and kidnapped 253. They have no justification to either avenge the dead or get back their kidnapped because they are Jews. He prefers dead Jews or live ones. Makes for a better movie.
Man, how did I, of all people, become the defender of The Tribe here? This board is filled with crazy lefty Jew haters.

 

[wallstreetguy]

There is plenty of room for the Palestinians in the Arab world.

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Whenever Palestinians are resettled in the Arab world, they become a cancer and are kicked out again. They are toxic. Read:
Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Kuwait, and to a lesser, non-violent extent in Gulf States.
The best they can offer is to be perpetual victims and the worst they can be is the source of a new war. This is why not even hellholes like Libya or Somalia want them.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

After thousands of years of being persecuted, hated, genocided and being the butt of mockery in literature, the arts and entertainment….

…. Maybe Jews ought to consider changing the way they treat others?

Just a thought. Discuss, if you can.

Antisemites will always find reasons to justify their persecution of the Jews.

That’s why the accusations of genocide against Israel are called “the modern blood libel”.

 

[JohnEngelman]

After thousands of years of being persecuted, hated, genocided and being the butt of mockery in literature, the arts and entertainment….

…. Maybe Jews ought to consider changing the way they treat others?

Just a thought. Discuss, if you can.

Jews are wonderful people. Others should consider changing the way they treat Jews.

 

[rgraham666]

Jews are wonderful people. Others should consider changing the way they treat Jews.

Jews are people. Just like any others. They cover the whole range of human behaviours from absolute saints to utter monsters.

I will always call out the latter and support the former.

 

[Politruk]

Jews are people. Just like any others. They cover the whole range of human behaviours from absolute saints to utter monsters.

I will always call out the latter and support the former.

Netanyahu is the latter.

 

[rgraham666]

Yeah. Around 3500 were killed at Pearl Harbor and that justified the deaths of millions of Japanese. You might want to read a history book some time.

(Goes over to library)

Where should I start? Should I start at the top left with Airborne Armour and continue unit I reach the bottom right with Enemy At The Gates? Stopping along the way to mention Decisive Battles Of The Western World, A History of Warfare, Panzer Battles, The War Of Atonement, War As I Knew It, and Japanese Destroyer Captain.

I'm well aware of history. My favourite area of study. Apparently not yours as there had already been millions of deaths before America joined the war.

What I've learned is that the purpose of warfare is to make your opponent do what you want. Not to kill every last one of them.