Is this the day internet music died?

[Agent99]

Record companies and recording artists scored a victory today, it would seem, with the announcement of this ruling which compels your ISP to identify you:


Will the music downloading die?

By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Internet providers must abide by music industry requests to track down computer users who illegally download music, a federal judge ruled Tuesday in a case that could dramatically increase online pirates' risk of being caught.

The ruling means that consumers using dozens of popular Internet file-sharing programs can more easily be identified and tracked down by entertainment companies trying to prevent the illegal trading of movies and music. For consumers, even those hiding behind Internet aliases, that could result in warning letters, civil lawsuits or criminal prosecution

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For those of you who use Kazaa, Morpehus, Gnutella and others, will this stop you from downloading music? Or do you think that it won't affect you?

 

[lavender]

This has far greater implications than just for music.

In fact, the death of online music is probably the least important of its ramifications.

Think about privacy rights. Think about thsoe who download certain things from the net - such as pornography. This can all be tracked now based upon a request given to your ISP. Prior to this, your ISP history was fairly safe due to protections offered by your ISP. Not anymore.

 

[Apathy]

The good ol' days ended with Napster. My downloading has been conservative since then. A few tracks here and there every now and then. That won't change.

Anyhow, luckily US Federal law doesn't apply to me.

 

[HeavyStick]

And people are worried about the govenrment knowing what you're doing online.

 

[HeavyStick]

The good ol' days ended with Napster. My downloading has been conservative since then. A few tracks here and there every now and then. That won't change.

Anyhow, luckily US Federal law doesn't apply to me.

International copyright laws do.

 

[acitore_vuli]

Recording artists dont win period. Unless you have reached superstar status, youmake very little if anything on cd sales.

You make money by touring, because the record company has not share in that.

 

[Apathy]

If I gave a crap about international copyright laws would I download songs in the first place?

 

[HeavyStick]

Recording artists dont win period. Unless you have reached superstar status, youmake very little if anything on cd sales.

You make money by touring, because the record company has not share in that.

And Merchandising

 

[acitore_vuli]

And Merchandising

Exactly.

 

[sterlingclay]

I posted something about this last week. Chances are, you already have a worm on your computer, relaying a list of media files on your pc back to RIAA. Of course by now they've denied it.

I don't care. If they start putting away little folks like me, then I'll worry.

 

[sterlingclay]

Here it is.

Link to Security focus

 

[Byron In Exile]

I posted something about this last week. Chances are, you already have a worm on your computer, relaying a list of media files on your pc back to RIAA. Of course by now they've denied it.

I don't care. If they start putting away little folks like me, then I'll worry.

Here it is.

Link to Security focus

Hi Sterling,

I wouldn't worry about it, this sounds like bullshit to me. Seems like someone found a stack-overflow problem in a media player and made up a fanciful story to go with it.

I liked this part:

Due to our NDA with the RIAA, we are unable to give out any other details concerning the technology that we developed for them, or the details on any of the bugs that are exploited in our hydra.

However, as a demonstration of how this system works, we're providing the academic security community with a single example exploit, for a mpg123 bug that was found independantly of our work for the RIAA, and is not covered under our agreement with the establishment.

Translation: "And to prove the veracity of our assertions, here's something completely unrelated." lol

 

[Draco]

I think these guy watched"Swordfish" too many times......

With one DOS command, my hdd is blank and the RIAA are left hanging. This is purely the stuff of "urban legend" designed only to stop the niave. It wont work on the computer or net savvy.
Smells like bullshit to me....

If a company needs to gloat about doing this...they HAVEN'T done it...because something of this magnitude would be done completely in secret.

 

[sterlingclay]

My point exactly. Like I said, until they actually start going after the little guys, I'm not at all worried.

That was also last weeks news, and this weeks news is sure to change too.

format c:

done.

 

[Draco]

Sterling, I was thinking more along the lines of

FDISK>Delete Primary Partition.

Lets see them recover datd fron a deleted FAT table.

A formatted HDD CAN be recovered, but its very expensive to do. I can't imagine the RIAA spending $1000+ to recover 30 Mp3's.
Multiply that by 3 million + users =HUGE DOLLARS

It'll never happen.....

 

[sterlingclay]

I know. They are fighting a losing war. Blank cassettes gave way to cdr's, which gave way to mp3.

Napster went down, peer to peer took over. I've said all along, music should be free and in fact, it practically is.

 

[Draco]

Hell, I could start an FTP server session right now, with over 1000 mp3's and hand out the address to anyone here at LIT.

I'd love to see a RIAA rep come busting down my door and "legally prove" where I got each and every file from.

As I said earlier, it'll never happen, theres more than one way to skin that particular cat.

Anyone wanna trade music files.....???

 

[sterlingclay]

Guy in my class set up an FTP on a 2mbit line. I get all my movies there. Two Towers DVD screener kicks ass.

 

[unclej]

you know, you can talk about big brother conspiracies and you can talk about how downloading on-line music isn't really hurting the artist 'cause they don't really make much off of cd sales anyway and you can justify it anyway you like. but the bottom line is that i have a cd. i'm about to record my second one. you're not likely to ever find it on line because i'm definitely small potatoes. but it's MINE! i wrote the songs, i spent the hours in the studio recording and re-recording. and i do make money off of it's sales. all the money. is it a lot? no. but it's MINE! if you copy it without my permission you are STEALING!

i don't get involved in the political discussions or, for that matter, too many controversial threads at all. it's not my nature. but this whole downloading music on line thing hits close to home. call it what you like but if it's mine and you take it that's wrong.

 

[Guest]

One more reason I won't buy Agent.

 

[Killswitch]

And not only that.....first of all your computer hard drives are already accessible by the government and anyone else with a fair amount of computer knowledge. Especially with the advent of always connected dsl and cable lines.

And.......I f this is true, and the RIAA or federal agencies are allowed the use of some worm to be routed into file sharing website users computers.....I believe that Hackers will wreak havoc on the entire net....shutting down net servers and costing hundreds of millions in lost revenues, and additional expenses for retailers, and industry.

They have shut down half the net before for the hell of it.......

If this be true....it is a pandoras box like no one has ever seen....

I hope the courts know what they are doing if this is true and not just smoke and mirrors.

 

[Draco]

Uncle J, I'd rather give you ten dollars for your album, than buy it from a retail store where you might get two dollars in royaltys.

The RIAA has shafted their own artists for longer than Elvis Presely held a guitar.

If the artists had control over their own music, and sold it at a reasonable price, we wouldn't have a need to "steal" it...as you put it.

 

[unclej]

you know what draco, that comes as close to convincing me as anything i've heard. i do sell my own cd. there's no middle man. i sell it here in the music store and at gigs and soon it'll be on my webb page. i produce it myself. i did the artwork and i print the labels and i burn each copy myself so i do get 100% of the money. and i sell it for $10 to $12 depending on who and where. (pretty girls can get 'em pretty cheap actually)

but i did say close to convincing me. justifying the downloading of someone else's work because the publishers and the manufacturers and the agents and who knows who else is getting most of the money is like saying that it's ok to go into a grocery store and walk out with a ham because the poor pig rancher isn't getting enough profit for the hog that he raised. try telling the judge that's hearing your shoplifting case that it's ok because the chinese laborer that made those hundred dollar tennis shoes you stold only made a few cents and you didn't think it was fair. he might agree with you in theory but it's still against the law.

anyway, enough preaching for one day. let's talk about sex with identical twins or something.

 

[Bluesboy2]

Stealing is stealing. If you wanna be a thief that's fine. But don't try to justify it in any other way than you are greedy. Otherwise you become a liar and a thief.

 

[Byron In Exile]

My point exactly. Like I said, until they actually start going after the little guys, I'm not at all worried.

That was also last weeks news, and this weeks news is sure to change too.

I thought your point was: "Chances are, you already have a worm on your computer, relaying a list of media files on your pc back to RIAA."

My point was simply that the link you provided was to something which wasn't credible.

They are going after the little guys. That's what this thread is about. Your privacy rights are evaporating in the face of this legal onslaught from giant corporations.