Is The Draft Coming Back?

[Le Jacquelope]

A draft, two reasons, if there's a war, and if you leave the door ajar.

And the volunteers closed the door on option #1.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Reason #2 why I won this fight from the start:

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=entertainment&id=3190045&ft=print


Most Americans Oppose Draft

WASHINGTON (AP) June 24, 2005 - Americans overwhelmingly oppose reinstatement of the military draft and most say they wouldn't encourage their children to enlist in the service either, an AP-Ipsos poll found.
That resistance underscores the dilemma facing the Bush administration as it struggles to recruit a volunteer military in war time.

The Army is falling behind its recruiting goals at a time the country is fighting extended wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Army has repeatedly missed its monthly recruiting goals this year, falling short by 42 percent in April.

And all four branches of military service are having trouble attracting recruits to their reserve forces.

Despite the recruiting problems, seven in 10 Americans say they oppose reinstatement of the draft, and almost half of those polled strongly oppose that step, the AP-Ipsos poll found. About a quarter of the people in this country say they favor reinstating the draft.

Men were more likely than women to favor reinstating the draft and those over age 50 were more likely to favor it than younger adults. Republicans were more likely than Democrats to support the idea. But a majority of each of those groups opposed the draft.

"Things have been working well with the all-volunteer army and that's how it should stay," said Kathy Fowler, a 44-year-old mother from Chillicothe, Ohio.

More than 1,700 members of the U.S. military have died since the start of the Iraq war and thousands more have been wounded. Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, told members of Congress on Thursday that the Iraqi insurgency is as active as six months ago and more foreign fighters are flowing in all the time.

The shortfalls in military recruiting have led to speculation that the government might be forced to reinstitute the draft. But Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has ruled it out, saying the all-volunteer force has proved the wisdom of discontinuing the draft in 1973. "There isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back," Rumsfeld told a House hearing Thursday.

New York Rep. Charles Rangel, a Democrat, has introduced bills to bring back the draft, saying military recruiters disproportionately pursue young people in poor neighborhoods. The legislation went nowhere.

Some feel the military's recruitment problems will force a return to the draft.

"If we had more manpower in the Middle East we could get this over with," said James Puma, a retiree from Buffalo, N.Y. "I'm a Republican, I'm with the president. But things in Iraq are not going good at all."

However, Jeremy Miller, a sales manager from Denver, said the Iraq war is "a situation the president has gotten us into and should be able to get us out of" without bringing back the draft.

More than half of those polled said they would discourage a son from enlisting in the military, while two-thirds said they would discourage a daughter from joining.

Democrats were more likely than Republicans to say they would discourage sons and daughters from enlisting.

If a military draft were reinstated, more than half in the poll, 54 percent, said they would oppose women being drafted.

Women were more likely than men to be opposed to drafting women. Adults born after the end of World War II but before 1965 were more likely to favor the drafting of women than people in other age groups.

The American public has strongly opposed reinstating the draft for the past couple of decades, according to various polls. And the decreasing support for the war in Iraq suggests that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

"People simply don't want their kids to be sent off to Iraq to be shot at in a situation in which the value of the war is becoming more and more questionable," said John Mueller, a political science professor at Ohio State University and author of "War, Presidents and Public Opinion."

"The draft has never been popular and there's little reason to believe it would be popular now," public opinion analyst Karlyn Bowman said.

The poll of 1,000 adults was conducted June 20-22 for the AP by Ipsos, an international polling firm, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Copyright Associated Press 2005. All Rights Reserved.

 

[Frimost]

Reason #2 why I won this fight from the start:

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=entertainment&id=3190045&ft=print


Most Americans Oppose Draft

WASHINGTON (AP) June 24, 2005 - Americans overwhelmingly oppose reinstatement of the military draft and most say they wouldn't encourage their children to enlist in the service either, an AP-Ipsos poll found.
That resistance underscores the dilemma facing the Bush administration as it struggles to recruit a volunteer military in war time.

The Army is falling behind its recruiting goals at a time the country is fighting extended wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Army has repeatedly missed its monthly recruiting goals this year, falling short by 42 percent in April.

And all four branches of military service are having trouble attracting recruits to their reserve forces.

Despite the recruiting problems, seven in 10 Americans say they oppose reinstatement of the draft, and almost half of those polled strongly oppose that step, the AP-Ipsos poll found. About a quarter of the people in this country say they favor reinstating the draft.

Men were more likely than women to favor reinstating the draft and those over age 50 were more likely to favor it than younger adults. Republicans were more likely than Democrats to support the idea. But a majority of each of those groups opposed the draft.

"Things have been working well with the all-volunteer army and that's how it should stay," said Kathy Fowler, a 44-year-old mother from Chillicothe, Ohio.

More than 1,700 members of the U.S. military have died since the start of the Iraq war and thousands more have been wounded. Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, told members of Congress on Thursday that the Iraqi insurgency is as active as six months ago and more foreign fighters are flowing in all the time.

The shortfalls in military recruiting have led to speculation that the government might be forced to reinstitute the draft. But Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has ruled it out, saying the all-volunteer force has proved the wisdom of discontinuing the draft in 1973. "There isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back," Rumsfeld told a House hearing Thursday.

New York Rep. Charles Rangel, a Democrat, has introduced bills to bring back the draft, saying military recruiters disproportionately pursue young people in poor neighborhoods. The legislation went nowhere.

Some feel the military's recruitment problems will force a return to the draft.

"If we had more manpower in the Middle East we could get this over with," said James Puma, a retiree from Buffalo, N.Y. "I'm a Republican, I'm with the president. But things in Iraq are not going good at all."

However, Jeremy Miller, a sales manager from Denver, said the Iraq war is "a situation the president has gotten us into and should be able to get us out of" without bringing back the draft.

More than half of those polled said they would discourage a son from enlisting in the military, while two-thirds said they would discourage a daughter from joining.

Democrats were more likely than Republicans to say they would discourage sons and daughters from enlisting.

If a military draft were reinstated, more than half in the poll, 54 percent, said they would oppose women being drafted.

Women were more likely than men to be opposed to drafting women. Adults born after the end of World War II but before 1965 were more likely to favor the drafting of women than people in other age groups.

The American public has strongly opposed reinstating the draft for the past couple of decades, according to various polls. And the decreasing support for the war in Iraq suggests that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

"People simply don't want their kids to be sent off to Iraq to be shot at in a situation in which the value of the war is becoming more and more questionable," said John Mueller, a political science professor at Ohio State University and author of "War, Presidents and Public Opinion."

"The draft has never been popular and there's little reason to believe it would be popular now," public opinion analyst Karlyn Bowman said.

The poll of 1,000 adults was conducted June 20-22 for the AP by Ipsos, an international polling firm, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Copyright Associated Press 2005. All Rights Reserved.

You are talking about Iraq and Afghanistan where a vital, strategic interest of the US is not threatned (not by anything that can't replace it) and where we don't need to draft people. Now if for example we were directly assaulted that would be a different matter. As an example, in an unlikely scenario where a Sino-Soviet Alliance invaded Alaska and Canada and was making its way down to the mainland then you would have people rushing to join or willingly be drafted.

 

[MakersandIce]

And all four branches of military service . . .

I thought there were only three branches of the military.

 

[Frimost]

I thought there were only three branches of the military.

He's probably counting The Coast Guard.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I thought there were only three branches of the military.

Eh, which is not one of the four branches of the military, super intolerance dude?

Army
Navy
Air Force
Marines
Coast Guard
Chairborne rangers

 

[Le Jacquelope]

You are talking about Iraq and Afghanistan where a vital, strategic interest of the US is not threatned (not by anything that can't replace it) and where we don't need to draft people. Now if for example we were directly assaulted that would be a different matter. As an example, in an unlikely scenario where a Sino-Soviet Alliance invaded Alaska and Canada and was making its way down to the mainland then you would have people rushing to join or willingly be drafted.

Rushing to join would be it.

 

[Frimost]

Eh, which is not one of the four branches of the military, super intolerance dude?

Army
Navy
Air Force
Marines
Coast Guard
Chairborne rangers

Marines are part of the Navy, as sailors are happy to remind marines.

 

[MakersandIce]

Eh, which is not one of the four branches of the military, super intolerance dude?

Army
Navy
Air Force
Marines
Coast Guard
Chairborne rangers

The ones in red.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States

The Military of the United States, officially known as the United States Armed Forces, is structured into five branches consisting of the:

* United States Army
* United States Marine Corps
* United States Navy
* United States Air Force
* United States Coast Guard

 

[MakersandIce]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States

The Military of the United States, officially known as the United States Armed Forces, is structured into five branches consisting of the:

* United States Army
* United States Marine Corps
* United States Navy
* United States Air Force
* United States Coast Guard

There is a Department of Navy, Air Force, and Army. The Corps is part of the Navy, and the CG is part of Homeland Security.

 

[Frimost]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States

The Military of the United States, officially known as the United States Armed Forces, is structured into five branches consisting of the:

* United States Army
* United States Marine Corps
* United States Navy
* United States Air Force
* United States Coast Guard

Just so you know that source of info is riddled with errors and should take it with a tablespoon of salt next time you quote from that hack of a source.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Just so you know that source of info is riddled with errors and should take it with a tablespoon of salt next time you quote from that hack of a source.

Really? Prove it. And show me your "reliable" contradictory source of info.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/military101.htm

There are five military branches: The Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-armed-forces

The Military of the United States, officially known as the United States Armed Forces, is structured into five branches consisting of the:

* United States Air Force
* United States Army
* United States Coast Guard
* United States Marine Corps
* United States Navy

 

[Frimost]

Really? Prove it. And show me your "reliable" contradictory source of info.

LOL, too many errors to list em all and I only got 10 minutes left on the computer before my time runs out (I am on a public computer). For example look up the T-72 tank in there and half the shit listed is laughably wrong, printed as propaganda by teenage Russian nationlist losers with a hard-on for com-block junk. Sorry i could not give you a better example but i stick with what i know that that's the first example that comes to mind.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

And here's another hack of a source:

http://militarybranches.us/

The Military Branches

The U S Military Branches of the United States are divided into five armed services known collectively as the United States Armed Forces consisting of the:

* United States Army
* United States Marine Corps
* United States Navy
* United States Air Force
* United States Coast Guard

 

[MakersandIce]

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/military101.htm

There are five military branches: The Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard.

That same article calls DHS, "The Department of Homeland Defense."

 

[Le Jacquelope]

LOL, too many errors to list em all and I only got 10 minutes left on the computer before my time runs out (I am on a public computer). For example look up the T-72 tank in there and half the shit listed is laughably wrong, printed as propaganda by teenage Russian nationlist losers with a hard-on for com-block junk. Sorry i could not give you a better example but i stick with what i know that that's the first example that comes to mind.

And I stick with the four diverse sources that I used to back up what I said, to everyone else's none.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

That same article calls DHS, "The Department of Homeland Defense."

Okay, then here's another unreliable source.

http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step01_splash,,00.html

Who they are: the Department of Defense and the five branches: Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marine Corps, and Navy.

 

[Frimost]

And I stick with the four diverse sources that I used to back up what I said, to everyone else's none.

Are you arguing that The marines are not part of the navy? lol Look, you are going to lose on this, I was part of NJROTC and most of my best friends are Marines so beleive me, WE KNOW.

There was a good news article on the inaccuracies of winepeda, perhaps you can find it if you google for it?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Are you arguing that The marines are not part of the navy? lol Look, you are going to lose on this, I was part of NJROTC and most of my best friends are Marines so beleive me, WE KNOW.

There was a good news article on the inaccuracies of winepeda, perhaps you can find it if you google for it?

Keep attacking Wikipedia all you want.

There are now four other sources that back me up in that there are five branches.

You have yet to show me even one source that backs you up.

 

[MakersandIce]

Okay, then here's another unreliable source.

http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step01_splash,,00.html

Who they are: the Department of Defense and the five branches: Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marine Corps, and Navy.

I never said the sources were unreliable. I'm not a biologist, so I get lost in the semantics between limbs and branches. Yes, I consider both the Corps and the Coasties military. I, however, do not consider them branches.

 

[Frimost]

Keep attacking Wikipedia all you want.

There are now four other sources that back me up in that there are five branches.

You have yet to show me even one source that backs you up.

Source for what, that Thmarines are part of the navy? LOL Each time you argue the point you lsoe credability in other peoples eyes! lol Call you're local recruiter if you need more proof!

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I never said the sources were unreliable. I'm not a biologist, so I get lost in the semantics between limbs and branches. Yes, I consider both the Corps and the Coasties military. I, however, do not consider them branches.

Ok hold up. Which are we to go with here? What you consider, or what every documented source presented, considers? It's literally your word against an Army's.


BTW dude, considering that I am in the electoral majority about the draft, it appears to me that you are the one who is unfit to be an American... after all, it is I who have the numbers.