Is sexual liberation for women just a dream?

[Rubyfruit]

When I went to high school, 20 years ago, a girl could quickly be branded a slut if she gave herself to the wrong boy.

I was very conscious of that and thus careful to keep my "good girl" image. I only had one lover. He was my first and only throughout high school and I made him wait a respectable six months before giving him my virginity.

I was hoping that things were different now, but after talking with my friend's 16 year old, I've found they aren't. Girls are still branded sluts, while the boys are still studs.

Even here, a sexually open and adventurous woman is called a whore, slut and all other kinds of vile names (of course under the cloak of anonymity).

This saddens me beyond belief. I think it's oppressive for girls/women and highly prejudicial. But you know who perpetuates it most? Other women. Yep.

Sad.

(edited for typo)

 

[Guest]

 

[Nobody Special]

Yes !!!!!! sociaty SUCKS!!!!!!!

E

 

[Laurel]

Absolutely. And the saddest part of it all is that we women do it to ourselves - and each other. If all women - or even half of us - took the attitude of, "I think it's great that that woman in the tight dress flirting with every man in the room feels so comfortable with her sexuality. You go girl!" then maybe things would change. But the reality is that rather than praise the woman's sexual openness, we get catty and bitchy. We're our own worst enemies in that regard.

 

[Rubyfruit]

Foxy, you know what's interesting? Those guys who married the "good girls?" Are they not the ones you and I encounter here on the net? The ones who don't get any at home? The ones who complain about their frigid wives and want to know where they can meet a woman as open-minded as you?

I'm lucky. My husband is as open-minded as I am. He embraces my sexual nature and benefits from it quite a bit too I might add.

 

[T.H. Oughts]

Yep, boys can be boys and girls have to be girls in the "do I give out on the first date" thing still. More so maybe when they are teenagers????

 

[Natalie Nessus]

Yes but it takes great courage

Men are but of course natural sluts It is also their weakness, yes?

 

[Rubyfruit]

Absolutely. And the saddest part of it all is that we women do it to ourselves - and each other. If all women - or even half of us - took the attitude of, "I think it's great that that woman in the tight dress flirting with every man in the room feels so comfortable with her sexuality. You go girl!" then maybe things would change. But the reality is that rather than praise the woman's sexual openness, we get catty and bitchy. We're our own worst enemies in that regard.

I agree completely, Laurel! I've never really understood it though. Maybe because when I see a sexy woman in a tight dress flirting, I think to myself, "oh baby, would I have fun with you tonight." And moreover, I think, "oh, would my husband I and have fun with you tonight."

Women are not rivals. We are sisters.

 

[Starfish]

I am disgusted by this phenomena also. It is truly sad and hypocritical.

 

[sigh]

Absolutely. And the saddest part of it all is that we women do it to ourselves - and each other. If all women - or even half of us - took the attitude of, "I think it's great that that woman in the tight dress flirting with every man in the room feels so comfortable with her sexuality. You go girl!" then maybe things would change. But the reality is that rather than praise the woman's sexual openness, we get catty and bitchy. We're our own worst enemies in that regard.

i agree laurel, but you know, i respond in the same bitchy, catty way when i see a guy with his tanned, curly-haired chest exposed, shirt open to the fourth button, gold chains around his neck, hair slicked back just so with a big "hey, you wanna fuck me?" look in his eyes

but i must admit, i'm even more disgusted with the woman who's hanging on his arm as they go out the door

i need to reappraise the way i look at people

 

[Rubyfruit]

i agree laurel, but you know, i respond in the same bitchy, catty way when i see a guy with his tanned, curly-haired chest exposed, shirt open to the fourth button, gold chains around his neck, hair slicked back just so with a big "hey, you wanna fuck me?" look in his eyes

sigh, ack! Nobody is attracted to that sort.

That's not what I'm talking about here.

Is it all black and white?

 

[Rubyfruit]

i agree laurel, but you know, i respond in the same bitchy, catty way when i see a guy with his tanned, curly-haired chest exposed, shirt open to the fourth button, gold chains around his neck, hair slicked back just so with a big "hey, you wanna fuck me?" look in his eyes

sigh, ack! Nobody is attracted to that sort.

That's not what I'm talking about here.

Is it all black and white?

 

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[Natalie Nessus]

I could teach so much about men and their desires

They allow too much what people saythey hide their inner feelings on everything, is it no surprise they do on love making?


I feel sorrow for them.

 

[Cheyenne]

You know what? Go to your 25th reunion from high school. Even so many years later, after marriage, children, and even some grandchildren, people remember. They remember who the class sluts were and pay attention to see what they look like now. To see how they "ended up."

Yes, I admit to going to my reunion a few years ago mostly to see what happened to everyone. I was surprised in very few cases. The vast majority were just normal, everyday people. Like me. But there were the few standouts in the crowd!

 

[VanB]

It's a sad endictment on society that this is still the case.

I don't really think that there are "good girls" and "bad girls" and more or less than "good guys" and "bad guys".

Let's face it, if you want to sleep with someone on your first date that should be your choice and if it feels right why not do it? What makes me sick are guys who think that just because they got a woman into bed it gives them bragging rights. If it wasn't for that type behaviour I don't think this type of dual standard would exist.

FYI I think, and so do most of my friends, that we know far more male sluts than female sluts so I think the perception is slowly beginning to change.

An interesting one to ponder.

 

[juicylips]

Women are not rivals. We are sisters.

I just love you for saying that!!!!

So absolutely, fucking true, sis..

Cassidy

 

[plasticman33]

Yes, unfortunately there has always been a double standard. Good girls, bad girls, but the guy's were always studs.

Never could understand that!

 

[Black_Bird]

... Can't we *all* just be male and female sluts together? (j/k)

Seriously, though... Yes, the double standard bothers me to no end. Everytime we take a step forward into accepting sex to be just was it is, nature-made fun, someone has to step up and force this puritian crap on society - forcing us two steps back.

*Cough*Bush*Cough*

 

[espressolover]

Yes

One step forward, and two steps back.

I'm with you all on this one...things have to change.

Just because I am intensely attracted to someone and I sleep with them should in no way brand me a slut.
I've never been a slut, nor will I ever be.

It is a sad old world where this antiquated double standard still exists.

 

[Cherry]

Not necessarily true

Those guys who married the "good girls?" Are they not the ones you and I encounter here on the net? The ones who don't get any at home? The ones who complain about their frigid wives and want to know where they can meet a woman as open-minded as you?

Often the "good girl", who selectively reserved her sexuality for the man she would come to love, blossoms into a very sexual being once she has begun.

To jump to the conclusion that sexual restraint during single life equals prude during married life (or significant relationship) tends to dispute the effect of built up passion released in a loving one-on-one relationship.

Yesterday's "good girl" is today's "sex starved nymph" given a little motivation.

 

[bluespoke]

A great topic to discuss.

Two drawbacks.

One, the braggart males, previously referred to do not, in general, post on this board. If they do, they are likely to have been reformed (by their wives).

Two, the goody two shoes girls are not here in any number either.

Generally, although I know that it does not apply to all, the people on this board are those who believe in sexual liberation.

I m surprised to hear Ruby say that, even here, there are people being called sluts, whores etc. in private. I suppose that it just shows there are a lot of two faced people about.

Maybe, apart from some catty women, the real problem is with some of us guys for whom the word mature usually refers to cheese!

 

[SA Storm]

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[Tungwagger]

Foxy, you know what's interesting? Those guys who married the "good girls?" Are they not the ones you and I encounter here on the net? The ones who don't get any at home? The ones who complain about their frigid wives and want to know where they can meet a woman as open-minded as you?

I'm lucky. My husband is as open-minded as I am. He embraces my sexual nature and benefits from it quite a bit too I might add.

I guess I lucked out....I married a woman who isn't one of the "good girls", and she never had the reputation as a "bad girl"

So, I guess I got the best of both worlds, a sexual being that is beneficial to my sex life too......

And you know why Ruby....LOL

But I agree with most of the posts here...it's a bitch....

A woman who gives it up on the first date is percieved to be a slut, but to call her a stud would imply a "butchlike" personality..

Now if the women start avoiding the male sluts, and quit knocking other women for their sexual proclivities, then perhaps this trend could someday quit...

 

[Kojak]

Hmmm

Testing.