Is Jane Fonda a traitor?

[KillerMuffin]

This an interesting question. I think she committed treason and that's she's as traitorous as they come. Power of One disagrees that she committed treason. Did she commit treason or not? It all depends on how you define "aid and comfort to the enemy." She didn't fight.

Jane Fonda was never charged or convicted of treason, so this is all based entirely on an person's individual judgement.

If you have an opinion, please remember to have some kind of factual support for it, not just a loud "You're stupid!" kind of attitude.

As and addendum, the email that had been passed about earlier about how she took slips of paper from POWs she visited and turned them over without even a how-do-you-do to the POW camp commandant is not true. The POWs who were cited as sources for this have denied this happened. The only acceptable historical fact for this is things that are provable. Rumor and innuendo are simply not good enough to slander someone with.

 

[Guest]

No.


Get a grip.

 

[KillerMuffin]

I had a grip for a while, but I didn't need it because, let's face it, I'm a backpack kind of girl. So I donated it to the DAV store.

 

[WriterDom]

Yes, she's a step below Bill Clinton.

 

[SINthysist]

I agree with what you said on the other thread, but then there has always been a different set of rules for the rich and famous.

I say, Break a Deal, Face the Wheel...

 

[Scabbers]

Why?

Just cause she married Ted Turner?

Or because she divorced him?

 

[Guest]

This is a stupid thread. The argument is old. The idea is old. Jane is old. The war is over. There's a KFC in Ho Chi Min City. Get a grip.

Why didn't you start a much better thread about Kissinger as a war criminal? Someone who actually was responsible for kids, adults, and troops dying in countries beyond, but including Vietnam.

Killer, you're so ignorant it's frightening.

 

[SINthysist]

I grew up during those times, so my memory is fuzzy but isn't she the one who urged the boys to shoot thier officers?

 

[registered "^^"]

You would have to ask the POW's that saw her or had contact with her. It did work as a vry good public relations stunt for her, and never hurt her career.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Open up any search engine and type in "Jane Fonda Vietnam" and you'll get a wealth of information and misinformation. This is a really hot issue with some people and they're always willing to believe the worst about her that comes out. However, that doesn't make it true. Neither does that make it untrue, so be careful about what you believe.

 

[registered "^^"]

It was just the "thing' to do in those times. Be against the war and those that fought in it, even if you had the stones not go to to Canada to hide.

 

[Guest]

Open up any search engine and type in "Jane Fonda Vietnam" and you'll get a wealth of information and misinformation. This is a really hot issue with some people and they're always willing to believe the worst about her that comes out. However, that doesn't make it true. Neither does that make it untrue, so be careful about what you believe.

"With some people"


Open up a search engine and place the words: Tri-Lateral Commission, Illuminati, John Birch......and you'll get the Todds of the world spilling out.

Some people.......


Go with Kissinger, he's the hate du jour. Oh I forgot, he's a conservative. You'd never do that.

 

[PowerOfOne]

KM, if we try people for lack of taste there will be no room for any realistic cases. Jane Fonda had her pic made on a VC tank. She offended many but she was not a traitor. She made a bad call but that does not make her a traitor. She was against the Viet Nam war and as it turned out, rightfully so.

Many people were against the Viet Nam war. Some left and went to Canada. Some actually left the Viet Nam war and went to New Zealand (a case where a soldier was declared MIA and turned up 30 years later. He did get a general discharge btw and some vet benefits). Are they traitors or just deserters and what is the difference between not fighting for your country and sitting on an enemy tank to get your pic made?

It was a different time during the Viet Nam war. This was our first televised war. America was losing its innocence. There were more people against the war than there were fighting it. I do not agree with what Jane Fonda did but I would not call her a traitor. After all, the tank could not fire with her movie star ass sitting on it so maybe she saved some Americans that day.

 

[registered "^^"]

It was a different time during the Viet Nam war. This was our first televised war. America was losing its innocence. There were more people against the war than there were fighting it.

Your a wealth of statistics, how many have died since the "conflict" from agent orange related cancers, and how much is left of the agent orange settelment money for the next to come down with cancer.

 

[PowerOfOne]

Re: Re: Is Jane Fonda a traitor?

Your a wealth of statistics, how many have died since the "conflict" from agent orange related cancers, and how much is left of the agent orange settelment money for the next to come down with cancer.

Are you saying Jane Fonda manufactured and sprayed Agent Orange? I thought this was about her and her possible reasons for her actions?

 

[plasticman33]

Hanoi Jane!!!

This an interesting question. I think she committed treason and that's she's as traitorous as they come. Power of One disagrees that she committed treason. Did she commit treason or not? It all depends on how you define "aid and comfort to the enemy." She didn't fight.

Jane Fonda was never charged or convicted of treason, so this is all based entirely on an person's individual judgement.

If you have an opinion, please remember to have some kind of factual support for it, not just a loud "You're stupid!" kind of attitude.

As and addendum, the email that had been passed about earlier about how she took slips of paper from POWs she visited and turned them over without even a how-do-you-do to the POW camp commandant is not true. The POWs who were cited as sources for this have denied this happened. The only acceptable historical fact for this is things that are provable. Rumor and innuendo are simply not good enough to slander someone with.

I was in Nam, she sure as hell wouldn't win any popularity contests with vets. Yeah, sure, she was misguided, idealistic in her view points about the war, but so were thousands of American college kids at that time. It was a war meant not to be won, dragged on far to long and became the most unpopular war in american history.

 

[carrie-on]

never mind

 

[Marxist]

I'm rolling with the troll on this guys.

Jane Fonda is irrelevant. I'd rather discuss Ted Kennedy. Or who killed JFK. I think I'll start a thread.

 

[Problem Child]

Of course she was a fucking traitor. She gave aid and comfort to the enemy. She gave them propaganda material, which was some of the most useful aid to them at the time. She humiliated our POW's, by paricipating in the N. Vietnamese puppet show. She is the lowest form of scum, and she's never really apologized for what she did, except to offer a muddled sort of "I made mistakes" general bullshit staement. Fuck her.

She should have been tried for treason and jailed, but she was a movie star, and the public wouldn't have let her father be humiliated like that, although obviously she didn't give a shit.

I hope her inplants leak. Pinko bitch.

BTW, P of O it was an anti-aircraft gun, not a tank.

 

[InnesLane]

Of course she was a fucking traitor. She gave aid and comfort to the enemy. She gave them propaganda material, which was some of the most useful aid to them at the time.

The North Vietnamese didn't have to look far for propaganda material. Jane Fonda provided no more propaganda footage than the protests and riots that occured in every major city and on most major college campuses before and after her stunt.

Were all those college students - those "misguided, idealistic" dreamers - traitors too then? The maximum penalty for treason is death. I suppose those students at Kent State were just being lawfully executed...

How interesting. I hadn't even considered looking at it that way before.

And Marxist, this might not be of interest to you, but the Vietnam War defined a generation. Families were, and still are, torn apart by the polarization of those times. These issues will never die, just as the memory of Pearl Harbor will never die, until those who lived those days are dust.

 

[Problem Child]

Naw, the kids at Kent state were doing what they thought was right. I applaud them for exercising their right to protest and try to stop something they thought was wrong.

Hanoi Jane collaborated with the enemy. She should still be busting rocks at Leavenworth.

 

[registered "^^"]

The North Vietnamese didn't have to look far for propaganda material. Jane Fonda provided no more propaganda footage than the protests and riots that occured in every major city and on most major college campuses before and after her stunt.

Were all those college students - those "misguided, idealistic" dreamers - traitors too then? The maximum penalty for treason is death. I suppose those students at Kent State were just being lawfully executed...

How interesting. I hadn't even considered looking at it that way before.

And Marxist, this might not be of interest to you, but the Vietnam War defined a generation. Families were, and still are, torn apart by the polarization of those times. These issues will never die, just as the memory of Pearl Harbor will never die, until those who lived those days are dust.

Your dad from the usa, then moved to canada then came back after the "conflict".

 

[InnesLane]

Your dad from the usa, then moved to canada then came back after the "conflict".

Wrong generation. My dad fought in World War II. I had a brother who fought in VietNam and another who registered C.O. and caught holy hell for it from all sides. My draft number was 364 so I was spared the decision each of them was forced to face. Besides, I was the youngest and the war was rapidly winding down by the time I became eligible.

I saw courage in both of my brothers. Those were not easy times.

 

[InnesLane]

Naw, the kids at Kent state were doing what they thought was right. I applaud them for exercising their right to protest and try to stop something they thought was wrong.

Hanoi Jane collaborated with the enemy. She should still be busting rocks at Leavenworth.

Okay, you convinced me. That's such a pleasant image I'd love to see it become a reality.

 

[morninggirl5]

And Marxist, this might not be of interest to you, but the Vietnam War defined a generation. Families were, and still are, torn apart by the polarization of those times. These issues will never die, just as the memory of Pearl Harbor will never die, until those who lived those days are dust.

The Vietnam war defined more than a generation. It had an impact on every child and grandchild of every American who did their duty and served.

You're wrong that the issue will die when those that lived those days are dust. As long as there are Americans listed as MIA/POW, there will be families bringing the issue up.