is being a natural submissive good?
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Kajira Callista
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if you are forced to submit are you really submissive? And easy how?Pet4you said:
Trying to understand where you want this thread to go.
im trying to let potentcial submissives, if they come to this catagory.. to know.. submissivieness is pushed for limits, to see how far one can go..
can one grow, or one decline.
but the let the potencial submissive and those who are, see what other Doms' think.
We say, submissiveness is pushed, to learn new things..
well how many Doms will agree?
This thread, is to show them, we may be from different parts of the world, or states, or countries, that our valuse are the same.
can one grow, or one decline.
but the let the potencial submissive and those who are, see what other Doms' think.
We say, submissiveness is pushed, to learn new things..
well how many Doms will agree?
This thread, is to show them, we may be from different parts of the world, or states, or countries, that our valuse are the same.
well i view what you mean as this...
a natural submissive being a woman who can, will, or wants to submit at the drop of a hat.
While a "forced" submissive is someone who needs another force applied in order to submit. Usually pain in some form. She wants to submit, but needs that reason (excuse) to allow herself to do so.
As I'm not a sadist, I prefer the natural much more.
a natural submissive being a woman who can, will, or wants to submit at the drop of a hat.
While a "forced" submissive is someone who needs another force applied in order to submit. Usually pain in some form. She wants to submit, but needs that reason (excuse) to allow herself to do so.
As I'm not a sadist, I prefer the natural much more.
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Natural submissive...
Hmm..
I can't say that I would agree that a natural submissive would in any means or fashion be less fun then an "unnatural submissive". It depends on the dom/me wants in a submissive.
My concern with haveing a "natural" submissive would be the stemming from play into the everyday. Which can be just fine.. But what if this person is compleately incapable of functioning on their own, as an individual? Some Doms I've ment seek this in submissives.. I'm of the personal oppinion these aren't Doms but predators.
But I don't think thats what you mean..
Some people seem to be more docile then others.. I don't think it's a plus/minus.. It's just who you are. And yes most Dom/me I've run across want to test and push their sub's boundries as much as they want to push their own.. thats why they are called the Dom/me.. They are the one in "control".. But it is ultimately the Sub's "call" if boundries are crossed.
But honestly.. postings from both Dom/mes' and Subs on this board has taught me as much as physical interactions.
Hmm..
I can't say that I would agree that a natural submissive would in any means or fashion be less fun then an "unnatural submissive". It depends on the dom/me wants in a submissive.
My concern with haveing a "natural" submissive would be the stemming from play into the everyday. Which can be just fine.. But what if this person is compleately incapable of functioning on their own, as an individual? Some Doms I've ment seek this in submissives.. I'm of the personal oppinion these aren't Doms but predators.
But I don't think thats what you mean..
Some people seem to be more docile then others.. I don't think it's a plus/minus.. It's just who you are. And yes most Dom/me I've run across want to test and push their sub's boundries as much as they want to push their own.. thats why they are called the Dom/me.. They are the one in "control".. But it is ultimately the Sub's "call" if boundries are crossed.
But honestly.. postings from both Dom/mes' and Subs on this board has taught me as much as physical interactions.
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Pet4you said:
A submissive is a submissive is a ... you get the point. However, I don't seem to get yours.
This is a very confusing opening post and if it means what I think it means, it's a can of worms I don't want to open.
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As usual, I agree with ADR. I think you start treading on a slippery slope when you start characterizing types of submissives. We all have our own style, but we are still submissive. For every type of sub, there is a Dom who is looking for just that type. There's room enough in this life for all.
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Ditto ADR.
Ditto Des.
Ditto Des.
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Im not meaning to be rude, but i really don't understand this post.Pet4you said:
Once again not being rude but this http://www.iespell.com/download.php might be something to try.
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I'm glad it wasn't just me... http://www.amanita.net/images/smilies/frowny.gifKajira Callista said:Im not meaning to be rude, but i really don't understand this post.
Once again not being rude but this http://www.iespell.com/download.php might be something to try.
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I agree with you for the most part, but I come from a different perspective. This, to me, is the difference between a submissive and a slave. A submissive, in my opinion, is what you have described - a person who is sexually submissive, and has the control at the end by using a safeword when necessary. A slave, on the other hand, is submissive at all times. Having given the initial consent, they are no longer in control - that is, there are no boundaries to cross, no safewords to use.DarkLadyOfDeath said:My concern with haveing a "natural" submissive would be the stemming from play into the everyday. Which can be just fine.. But what if this person is compleately incapable of functioning on their own, as an individual? Some Doms I've ment seek this in submissives.. I'm of the personal oppinion these aren't Doms but predators.
But I don't think thats what you mean..
Some people seem to be more docile then others.. I don't think it's a plus/minus.. It's just who you are. And yes most Dom/me I've run across want to test and push their sub's boundries as much as they want to push their own.. thats why they are called the Dom/me.. They are the one in "control".. But it is ultimately the Sub's "call" if boundries are crossed.
But honestly.. postings from both Dom/mes' and Subs on this board has taught me as much as physical interactions.
I know at least one sub - slave, actually - who is incapable of functioning in normal society without guidance from her Master. In her case, I think it fits very well - she and her Master have a clearly defined relationship, and he is very much her caretaker as well as her lover. Is this bad? Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. But I don't think he's a predator...it's an almost symbiotic relationship.
As for natural vs. forced - it depends on each couple. Maybe the dominant partner wants somebody who is reluctant, who fights back. Or maybe they would prefer somebody who just takes it, with no resistance. I do acknowledge that there is a difference between natural and forced (and let's not get into bratty at this time) but which is "preferable" depends on the partners involved and cannot be determined by outsiders.
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Etoile said:
Pardon me, but I think you are taking this far deeper than she was. LOL
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Is that bad? http://www.amanita.net/images/smilies/confused3q.gifA Desert Rose said:
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Pet4you said:
What is a potential submissive? I don't understand this.
One can grow or decline? I disagree. One can grow or not. What do you mean by decline?
I think most Dom/mes like to push limits. I've not met one yet who doesn't do so in one form or another. (Shit, there's that dreaded double negative again.)
No, our values are not all the same.
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Etoile said:
No, no, not bad... just very funny. LOL
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so here is what has been stuck in my head since this thread has started:sunfox said:Is this like being a natural blonde?
I'm with ADR and Des... a submissive is a submissive is a submissive. The 'natural' submissive is a myth.
You make me feel.............
you make me feel............
you make me feel like a natural womannnnnnnn
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Kajira Callista said:so here is what has been stuck in my head since this thread has started:
You make me feel.............
you make me feel............
you make me feel like a natural womannnnnnnn
Mine too. Only, when I saw your smiley at the end of it I thought for sure you were going to end. "You make me feel like a natural....nana!"
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Perhaps she meant someone who is submissive in general, to everyone, and someone who is only submissive to their dom/me. I think the term docile would be better for the former, though. By that definition, I would be an un-natural submissive (even though I don't look it.) I'm a naturally helpful person, I like helping people, but by no means does that mean I like submitting to people (except Mistress, which I love). I agree with that dicing submissive up into little categories is rather pointless though, 'cause there's always gonna be exceptions and it ends up defeating it's own purpose.
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This seems like it's veering dangerously close to the "natural" versus "wannabe" discussion *lol*
Anyhow, I'll cheerfully admit to submitting like a depraved slut at the drop of a hat - but only to my Dominant.
Submission to anyone else would be forced on my part (meaning my heart wouldn't be in it), unless it was at my Dominant's behest, in which case it would be different because ultimately I would just be submitting to my Dominant's wishes anyhow.
Anyhow, I'll cheerfully admit to submitting like a depraved slut at the drop of a hat - but only to my Dominant.
Submission to anyone else would be forced on my part (meaning my heart wouldn't be in it), unless it was at my Dominant's behest, in which case it would be different because ultimately I would just be submitting to my Dominant's wishes anyhow.
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Most women, sub or no sub, end up coloring their hair once is starts turing grey. Being natural is good for as long as you can get away with it.
Unless you are male, then grey looks distinguished. Another one of those double standards I'd trade away for countless multible orgasms like some women have.
Unless you are male, then grey looks distinguished. Another one of those double standards I'd trade away for countless multible orgasms like some women have.
