Is anyone interested in doing a story involving French court fashion in the 1700s?

[BlueberryRose]

Is anyone interested in doing a story involving French court fashion in the 1700s?



In court fashion pier to this women often showed off their nipples if not their breasts to demonstrate purity. It had to do with proving you were not nursing.



In the 1700s necklines went up and down but nip-slip was acceptable. Not so much a purity thing anymore. Sometimes the nipslips were on purpose due to their low neckline or sheer fabric. Later the more flamboyant women who did this were mostly courtesan.


Would love a little bit of exhibitionist teasing that would lead to more.

 

[BBlaketbv]

The exciting thing about exhibitionism is that it isn't acceptable. However I can see the appeal of your idea.
It does need something more though.
A simple "oops, the duke saw my nipple, I might as well fuck him" isn't enough.

The main character needs a dilemma. It's at court, so there should be some drama.

 

[LupusDei]

The exciting thing about exhibitionism is that it isn't acceptable. However I can see the appeal of your idea.
It does need something more though.
A simple "oops, the duke saw my nipple, I might as well fuck him" isn't enough.

Indeed. If exposed nipples on a young woman are supposed to demonstrate her purity and innocence that certainly wouldn't work. But I wonder if exposing her knees would be seen as obscene invitation to sex.

Well, okay, the nipples are still a sexual advertisement even in this context. It just works in a different way. It doesn't say directly, "I want to fuck," but it supposedly says, "nobody had fucked me yet" (because, being fucked mean to be pregnant and nursing, and those nipples wouldn't be of the girlie flavor anymore, unless she's of the lucky minority who retain or revert to that). It also means that describing those particular nipples in great and accurate detail could, in theory, break this sites zealous age rules.

It helps to remember that the current American (and anglophone more generally) culture is one of the most prudish ever existed and it got a lot worse in past fifty years. The modern nudity taboo is an anomaly in the greater order of things, and extension of that to female breasts is very nearly unique quirks of this specific, right now unfortunately globally dominant (due to capture of information space thanks to internet) culture.

It also helps to remember history is almost exclusively written by upper classes that may, and often are sexually repressed and frustrated by own quirks and society at large would likely be far less concerned.

Heck, those outfits were in price range, in today's terms, of a new top of line sports car, if not a main battle tank. Well, Hollywood red carpet events may touching the lower reaches of that, but the structure of those prices was very different considering spinning and weaving, all of it, not only decorating, was all manual labor. There were hard limits on the length of tread that could be spun, as virtually all female population was doing it as second if not first occupation full time.

And those folks were wearing them all the time they were wearing l. A certain king changed over a dozen of them per day without reuse, just to underline how wealthy he was (also not to stink, the hygiene standards were non-existent and there was religious stigma against batching). Just saying. A certain princess was made to disrobe on the border when she went to marry abroad because her dress was deemed national treasure not cleared for export. And yes, the most flamboyant and excessive outfits were of men. While dicks weren't exactly exposed, brightly colored ball sacks that stuck out of pants were the fashion craze at one point. For both genders, various slits in outer clothing showed off the excessively expensive fine fabric undergarments.

 

[LupusDei]

The way to make it interesting is to show culture clash and/or rapid change. Easier to do in fantasy universe where you have full control of all those parameters, but with enough research, historical examples probably could be found. Especially when going into alternative history seasoned by time travel... but that's just fantasy universe with extra steps.

Anyhow, make extremely prudish and quite relaxed people mix without much warning, and you would likely have situations interesting to observe. Say, an English princess with early Victorian attitudes arrive in said French court, and has little say of what she have to wear. So in her mind she's made to walk around naked; could just as well! That, however, turns out not what's expected and how the game is played here. Yet, who is going to say that to the pretty foreigner, if she wants to walk around naked, who's to object? Other girls may see that as challenge, upping the game...

 

[VerbalAbuse]

It helps to remember that the current American (and anglophone more generally) culture is one of the most prudish ever existed and it got a lot worse in past fifty years.

That's it! I don't think it's the past fifty, it's less, I believe.

What really buggers me is that nobody talks about it. In fact, most people seems to assume that the opposite happened.

The reality is that things got quite oppressive culturally. That is, with regards to what's shown on screens, media, etc.
The street is not really that. The street and media diverged. The street is pretty scantily clad, while the media seems to cater for the impositions of the monks at mount athos.

Why is that?

 

[VerbalAbuse]

Is anyone interested in doing a story involving French court fashion in the 1700s?



In court fashion pier to this women often showed off their nipples if not their breasts to demonstrate purity. It had to do with proving you were not nursing.



In the 1700s necklines went up and down but nip-slip was acceptable. Not so much a purity thing anymore. Sometimes the nipslips were on purpose due to their low neckline or sheer fabric. Later the more flamboyant women who did this were mostly courtesan.


Would love a little bit of exhibitionist teasing that would lead to more.

Do you have more idea about it? It's an interesting premise, but I don't have any idea from it.

 

[LupusDei]

That's it! I don't think it's the past fifty, it's less, I believe.

What really buggers me is that nobody talks about it. In fact, most people seems to assume that the opposite happened.

The reality is that things got quite oppressive culturally. That is, with regards to what's shown on screens, media, etc.
The street is not really that. The street and media diverged. The street is pretty scantily clad, while the media seems to cater for the impositions of the monks at mount athos.

Why is that?

My pet conspiracy theory is that it is actually the porn industry that pushes the nudity taboo for own profit. It kinda sorta coincides, especially with easy mass availability through internet.

 

[VerbalAbuse]

My pet conspiracy theory is that it is actually the porn industry that pushes the nudity taboo for own profit. It kinda sorta coincides, especially with easy mass availability through internet.

Where's the "Oh, no" button?