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Is It Any Wonder The Market Continues To Sink?

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, February 20, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Last Oct. 13, in trying to explain why the market had sold off 30% in six weeks, we acknowledged that the freeze-up of the financial system was a big concern. But we cited three other factors as well:

• The imminent election of "the most anti-capitalist politician ever nominated by a major party."

• The possibility of "a filibuster-proof Congress led by politicians who are almost as liberal."

• A "media establishment dedicated to the implementation of a liberal agenda, and the smothering of dissent wherever it arises."

No wonder, we said then, that panic had set in.

Today, as the market continues to sell off and we plumb 12-year lows, we wish we had a different explanation. But it still looks, as we said four months ago, "like the U.S., which built the mightiest, most prosperous economy the world has ever known, is about to turn its back on the free-enterprise system that made it all possible."

How else would you explain all that's happened in a few short weeks? How else would you expect the stock market, where millions cast daily votes and which is still the best indicator of what the future holds, to act when:

• Newsweek, a prominent national newsweekly, blares from its cover "We Are All Socialists Now," without a hint of recognition that socialism in its various forms has been repudiated by history — as communism's collapse in the USSR, Eastern Europe and China attest.

Even so, a $787 billion "stimulus," along with a $700 billion bank bailout, $75 billion to refinance bad mortgages, $50 billion for the automakers, and as much as $2 trillion in loans from the Fed and the Treasury are hardly confidence-builders for our free-enterprise system.

• Talk of "nationalizing" U.S.' troubled major banks comes not just from tarnished Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, but also from Republicans like Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and former Fed chief Alan Greenspan.

To be sure, bank shares have plunged along with home prices, and many have inadequate capital. But is nationalization really the only solution for an industry whose main product — loans to consumers and businesses — has expanded by over 5% annually so far this year?

• A stimulus bill laden with huge amounts of spending on pork and special interests is the best our Congress can come up with to get the economy back on track. Economists broadly agree that the legislation has little stimulative power, and in fact will be a drag on economic growth for years to come.
The failure to include any meaningful tax cuts for either individuals or small businesses, the true stimulators of job growth, while throwing hundreds of billions of dollars at profligate state governments and programs — such as $4.2 billion for "neighborhood stabilization activities" and $740 million to help viewers switch from analog to digital TV— has investors shaking their heads.

• A $75 billion bailout for 9 million Americans who face foreclosure, regardless of how they got into financial trouble, is the government's answer to the housing crunch. Many Americans who have scrupulously kept up with payments are steaming at the thought of subsidizing those who've been profligate or irresponsible.

With recent data showing that as much as 55% of those who get foreclosure aid end up defaulting anyway, a signal has been sent that America has gone from being "Land of the Free" to "Bailout Nation."

• Energy solutions ranging from the expansion of offshore drilling and the development of Alaska's bountiful arctic oil reserves to developing shale oil in America's Big Sky country, tar-sands crude in Canada and coal that provides half the nation's electric power, are taken off the table.

The market knows full well what drives the economy and that restraining energy supply will make us all poorer and investing less profitable. Taking domestic energy sources off the table makes us more reliant on sources from hostile and unstable regimes, breeding uncertainty in a capital system in which participants seek stability.

• Lawmakers who seem more interested in pleasing special interests than voters back home now control Congress. Some of the leading voices in crafting the massive bank bailout and stimulus packages — including Sen. Chris Dodd, Rep. Barney Frank and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — were the very ones who helped get us in this mess.

They did so by loosening Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's lending rules and pushing commercial banks to make bad loans. Both Dodd and Frank were recipients of hefty donations from Fannie, Freddie and other financial firms they were charged with regulating.

• Trade protectionism passes as policy, even amid the administration's lip service to free trade. Congress' vast stimulus bill and its "Buy American" provisions limit spending to U.S.-made products and will drive up costs, limit choices and alienate key allies.

Already, it has triggered rumblings of retaliation in a 1930s-style trade war from trading partners, just as the Smoot-Hawley tariffs prolonged the Great Depression. Several European partners have begun raising barriers.

Meanwhile, three signed free-trade pacts with Colombia, Panama and Korea languish with no chance of passage. Free trade offers one way out of our problems, yet it's been sidetracked.

• A 1,000-plus page stimulus bill is bulled through Congress with no GOP input and not a single member of Congress reading it before passage. It borders on censorship.

GOP protests of the bill's spending and the speed it was passed at were dismissed by Obama and other Democrats as seeking to "do nothing" or "breaking the spirit of bipartisanship." But voters are angry.

Along with thousands of angry phone calls to Congress, new Facebook groups have emerged, and street protests have sprung up in Denver, Seattle and Mesa, Ariz., against the "porkulus." CNBC Chicago reporter Rick Santelli's on-air denunciation of federal bailouts for mortgage deadbeats attracted a record 1.5 million Internet hits.

• Business leaders are demonized. Yes, there are bad eggs out there like the Madoffs and Stanfords. But most CEOs are hugely talented, driven, highly intelligent people who make our corporations the most productive in the world and add trillions of dollars of value to our economy. They don't deserve to be dragged before Congress, as they have been dozens of times in the past two years, for a ritual heaping of verbal abuse from the very people most responsible for our ills — our tragically inept, Democrat-led Congress.

• Words like "catastrophe," "crisis" and "depression" are coming from the mouth of the newly elected president, rather than words of hope and optimism. Instead of talking up America's capabilities and prospects, he talks them down — the exact opposite of our most successful recent president, Ronald Reagan, who came in vowing to restore that "shining city on a hill."
Even ex-President Clinton admonished Obama to return to his previous optimism, saying he would "just like him to end by saying that he is hopeful and completely convinced we're gonna come through this."

• The missile defense system that brought the Soviet Union to its knees, and which offers so much hope for future security, is being discussed as a "bargaining chip" with Russia. This, at the same time the regime in Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon and North Korea is readying an intermediate-range missile that can reach the U.S.

This sends a message of weakness abroad and contributes to a feeling of vulnerability at home. A strong economy begins and ends with a strong defense.

All this in barely a month's time. And to think that more of the same is on the way seems to be sinking in. Investors are watching closely and not caring for what they see. Sooner or later, the market will rally — but not without good reason to do so.
 
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That article summarizes things better than anything I've seen in the last month. It covers all the major subjects from domestic policy to foreign relations.
 
You know, those fucking high flying investors that you're talking about, the ones who are out there selling off, are the ones who got us in this mess to begin with.

The fact that we haven't dismantled this stock market bullshit by now is a testament to the failure of the process of natural selection.

Fuck the investors. We made at least half our money the old fashioned way: we earned it, directly. People will always need insurance, even when stock markets go boom, and insurance companies survived the Great Depression.

America needs to get back to reality based work and to fuck all with the wish upon a star gambling bullshit that is the stock market.

Okay, fine, disagree with me. How are your stocks doing, asshole? Thought so. They were falling long before Obama got into office. Dumbasses.
 
That article summarizes things better than anything I've seen in the last month. It covers all the major subjects from domestic policy to foreign relations.

Does this mean that we're not going to see anymore crybaby pussy loser whining threads from you and others like you now that this is the epitome summary of all that you cut & pasters that wanna yell doom and gloom can cut & paste your opinion with?

Just keep referring back to this one thread. That's all you gotta do since this summarizes things better than anything you've seen in the last month. Thank fucking Buddha you found something that spells your mind out the best way possible. I'll buy you a beer next time you come 'round, 'kay?
 
Danial Patrick Moynihan described the Reagan years this way, "We borrowed a lot of money from the Germans and the Japanese, and threw a good party from the rich." During the Bush years the party resumed, only this time we borrowed the money from Communist China.

Incomes for most Americans stagnated or declined but companies became quite a bit more profitable. Now investors know that the party is over. They are going to get the bill. Their taxes are going to go up. Way up. :D:D:D
 
You know, those fucking high flying investors that you're talking about, the ones who are out there selling off, are the ones who got us in this mess to begin with.

The fact that we haven't dismantled this stock market bullshit by now is a testament to the failure of the process of natural selection.

Fuck the investors. We made at least half our money the old fashioned way: we earned it, directly. People will always need insurance, even when stock markets go boom, and insurance companies survived the Great Depression.

America needs to get back to reality based work and to fuck all with the wish upon a star gambling bullshit that is the stock market.

Okay, fine, disagree with me. How are your stocks doing, asshole? Thought so. They were falling long before Obama got into office. Dumbasses.

Larry,

I can easily picture you as an insurance salesman. Do you yell at your prospective clients too?

People like me "sold" off because we could recognize that Obama was going to be a disaster for the economy a long time ago. I even posted about the risks of this Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac problem and the fact that they desired to "spread the wealth" by making real estate/loan companies make loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them back more than a year ago.

This looney lib fantasy world that they can "tweak" the market, economy and politics to "spread the wealth" and meet all their other "social" (or socialistic) goals is destroying the "wealth" of the country and even the very fabric of our economy that's created the highest and best standard of living that the world has ever seen and is dooming our kids and grandkids to destitution for what.....so Nancy Pelosi and her band of corrupt dems can do things like give some favored friend in San Francisco $30 Million to study mice?

The libs bend the truth and "manufacture outrage" and come sailing in to the rescue with sweet sounding words and promises, and then completely screw things up. EVERY TIME.

:rose:
 
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Oil made out of algae.

Future is algae.


Yes, it's a promising approach. However, it's not ready. There's some experimentation to generate (alter DNA) to create an algae that is more productive because the current strains are not quick enough. Hopefully, there will be some breakthrough's in the next decade.
 
Does this mean that we're not going to see anymore crybaby pussy loser whining threads from you and others like you now that this is the epitome summary of all that you cut & pasters that wanna yell doom and gloom can cut & paste your opinion with?

Just keep referring back to this one thread. That's all you gotta do since this summarizes things better than anything you've seen in the last month. Thank fucking Buddha you found something that spells your mind out the best way possible. I'll buy you a beer next time you come 'round, 'kay?


I'd enjoy having a beer with you.
 
Oh for fuck's sake this thread is beyond retarded, it's fucking stupid. (retardedness can't be helped).

"Oh dear, Wall St. and the investors are throwing hissyfits. God forbid we hold the assholes responsible for this mess accountable."

Derivatives, hedge funds and other "creative" financial investments and tools deserve a lion's share of the blame. Yet we worry about what their proponents think?

This country needs to get back to MAKING and CREATING things. Service-based economy? What dumbfuck first coined this idea? Tell me what happens when we are incapable of making anything and all of sudden our debtors decided to come calling or take any kind of aggressive stand against us? Are we going to consume our way out of that?

This article is a reach at best by a whiney group of bitches that is lucky the masses don't take to the streets and extract some pounds of flesh from them. But that's OK. That time will come.
 
This country needs to get back to MAKING and CREATING things. Service-based economy? What dumbfuck first coined this idea? Tell me what happens when we are incapable of making anything and all of sudden our debtors decided to come calling or take any kind of aggressive stand against us? Are we going to consume our way out of that?

Obama had the opportunity to reduce taxes on business to spur industrial growth and job creation in the private sector. He could have reduced taxes on manufacturing, but he didn't. Instead, he strengthened unions and is confiscating more taxes which will accelerate the departure of businesses (especially manufacturing). He decided instead to leave it all in the hands of Nancy Pelosi and other democratic congresspeople who took out more loans so they could reward their constituants. Nancy Pelosi is steering $30M to study mice in San Francisco. I'm sure that's going to spur the economy. lol.

You reap what you sow and despite the nice sounding platitudes from the democrats, what you're getting is an acceleration in the destruction of jobs and more restrictions on business growth.
 
Rightfield, do you realize that copying & pasting an article only to be the second poster in the thread doesn't make it any more valid?

No, you probably don't.
 
Obama had the opportunity to reduce taxes on business to spur industrial growth and job creation in the private sector. He could have reduced taxes on manufacturing, but he didn't. Instead, he strengthened unions and is confiscating more taxes which will accelerate the departure of businesses (especially manufacturing).

Hey, excuse me. Bush reduced taxes on business. Where are the jobs? :confused:
 
Obama had the opportunity to reduce taxes on business to spur industrial growth and job creation in the private sector. He could have reduced taxes on manufacturing, but he didn't. Instead, he strengthened unions and is confiscating more taxes which will accelerate the departure of businesses (especially manufacturing). He decided instead to leave it all in the hands of Nancy Pelosi and other democratic congresspeople who took out more loans so they could reward their constituants. Nancy Pelosi is steering $30M to study mice in San Francisco. I'm sure that's going to spur the economy. lol.

You reap what you sow and despite the nice sounding platitudes from the democrats, what you're getting is an acceleration in the destruction of jobs and more restrictions on business growth.

How is a tax reduction on business going to spur industrial growth when there is no DEMAND. I work directly with those in manufacturing, and businesses aren't expanding or growing because there is no demand (or reason) to do so.

Tell me why a company with extra money will expand operations or build new plants or add employees when there is NO reason to do so as dictated by an increase in demand. Please explain this phenomena. I'd love to pass it on to our customers so that they can start buying equipment again.

BTW, he did offer incentives for businesses. What do you know about Section 179 of the tax code. The capital investment benefits that expired Dec. 31, 2008, were extended providing tax incentives to those making capital equipment purchases nearly impossible to pass up.

But few took advantage of this in 2008 and few are doing so right now. Why is that? It's because the demand isn't there.
 
The market is a forward looking instrument, it has looked into the future and decided that there is no benefit to them from the Obama stimulus plan, and are voting by withholding their money.

vette, if the market was truly a forward thinking instrument it would have seen W's package and pulled out almost a year ago.
 
"President Obama is putting the finishing touches on an ambitious first budget that seeks to cut the federal deficit in half over the next four years, primarily by raising taxes on businesses and the wealthy and by slashing spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."



Just when you thought he was a complete imbecile being led by other fools, he goes and proves it.




Obama claims he's going to cut the deficit in half ... the same week he signed the largest spending bill in US history.

"Raising taxes on businesses and wealthy" will surely have an immediate downturn effect on job creation and productivity in the private sector. Any previous attempt to boost the economy will completely disintegrate with this offset. Obama should get better advice than from those around him, and listen to real, respected economic experts, who have been pointing to the current financial indicators and historical referrences. His approach will have disastorous effects to worsen an already poor economy.



Remember his campaign rhetoric that grouped "the wealthy" in the "over $250,000" income bracket? Have you noticed the group indicators changing in his stimulus, mortgage and healthcare packages? $50k, $80k, $100k ... stay tuned ... be content to receive your $13 weekly bonus for now ... BIG changes soon to follow.





"Slashing spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan" doesn't take much of a step back into history to see how well that worked. Just referrence "Clinton" and "9-11 Attack".

No fool like the arrogant, egotistical puppet who thinks he knows better than the military experts who advised him otherwise.



Unfortunately, we will be the one to pay the price for his complete incomptence, both our economy and national security.



Obama's budget blueprint will press aggressively for progress on the domestic agenda outlined during his presidential campaign, which would include key changes to environmental policies and a major expansion of health coverage.

Along with raising taxes on businesses, raising taxes on the so called "rich," and allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, Obama will soon announce the implementation of an expensive cap and trade energy policy this week to battle pretend global warming. The plan could cost the US over a trillion dollars.

The outline released makes clear that he intends to push ahead on an energy cap-and-trade system for controlling emissions of gases blamed, by some, for climate change.


The Environmental Protection Agency is expected to act for the first time to regulate carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that scientists blame for the warming of the planet, according to top Obama administration officials.

The decision, which most likely would play out in stages over a period of months, would have a profound impact on transportation, manufacturing costs and how utilities generate power. It will accelerate the progress of energy and climate change legislation in Congress and form a basis for the United States' negotiating position at United Nations climate talks set for December in Copenhagen.


Carbon dioxide is an essential element of our atmosphere that plants need to live, and that is generated by all human activity, including breathing. There is no evidence that it causes the natural and inevitable process of climate fluctuation. But by pretending that it is harmful to the planet, the government has established that literally everything we do is bad and subject to suppressive legislation. The negative consequences for our economy — not to mention our liberty — could not be overstated.

By Obama imposing this bizarre new form of totalitarianism, America will soon be reduced to sub–Third World living standards. This might be a good time to look into immigrating to communist China — for the freedom to generate wealth.


The potential costs to America from cap-and-trade policies are enormous.

The Department of Energy estimates that the cap-and-trade proposal, will increase the cost of coal for power generation by between 161% and 413%. That increase will be immediately reflected in your electric bill.

DOE estimates GDP losses over the 21-year period they forecast, at between $444 billion and $1.308 trillion, with particular damage to the manufacturing sector.

Winegarden estimates that the cap-and-trade policies could increase unemployment by 2.7% or about 4 million jobs. In fact, companies are already preparing to avoid increased level and volatility of American energy prices by setting up factories and partnerships in countries which won’t be subject to cap-and-trade restrictions, proving with real-world behavior of producers that no carbon-limiting regulation can succeed because it will not be universal.



Wait until you see the market reaction to this week's budget announcement.
 
You're damn right I'm a detriment to Obama's America. I'm a freedom loving capitalist.


This is your America. Not a Democrat, not a Republican, but yours.

Now man up and do your part.

Let me ask you, has anything in your day-to-day life changed a single bit since Obama was sworn in? I mean besides you whining excessively here, of course.
 
This is your America. Not a Democrat, not a Republican, but yours.

Now man up and do your part.
"I won, I trump you" doesn't sound like it's my America.

Let me ask you, has anything in your day-to-day life changed a single bit since Obama was sworn in? I mean besides you whining excessively here, of course.
Yes, Democrats like you are becoming more and more mentally unstable.
 
"I won, I trump you" doesn't sound like it's my America.


Yes, Democrats like you are becoming more and more mentally unstable.

Is your America having a leader look into the headlights like a scared fawn as not only one but two planes crash into the WTC? Is your America about waging useless wars and getting thousands of America's Military killed?

Really? Fuck. How many Liberals are on this board making hundreds of posts and threads about the current government compared to Republicans?

Thought so. Now go play in traffic. Actually, wait until rush hour.
 
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