Intelligence?

[privyjo]

Raises an interesting point...is articulate speech synonymous with intelligence?

Are we seduced by thoughts or the words that convey them?

Can a simple explanation of a profound thought arouse us more than an angelic representation of a dud?

Thoughts (or words) on this concept?

When I read this the first thing that came to my mind was the thought (and memory) that, in my life, some of the most inarticulate people I have met have had the most profound impact upon my life - and I mean in a positive way.

Articulate speech is not a definite sign of intelligence in and of itself in my mind - it is evidence that the individual has a really good memory for complicated speech patterns.

And my cover is ... everything I say may be or is wrong.

 

[alisonwunderlnd]

Minored in classics and ancient history in my undergrad-found that the greeks and romans had already pondered a lot of things before me and that the quickest way to get a leg up was to peer over their shoulders.

Now include thinkers from other cultures as well-glad to see you can do the same.

very interesting

 

[BlackWolf65]

well,,,now
I am never one to harm an innocent by purpose
never as an intent
but how could acting on sexual tension cause harm to innocents?

Oh, but it can...

Think of all the possible situations where sexual tension may exist...

 

[lik_m_ade]

damn,,
profound point
a friend of mine (photo journalist) said that it was odd
but all the people around her that were actual journalists and worked in the COMMUNICATIONS field said that they were all HORRID at their own personal attempts at expressing their thoughts
They can write a lovely story
but attempts at saying something to someone was rather rubish,,BUT again,,One persons opinion

Precisely, most of the best wordsmiths today (journalists, ghostwriters, biographers, pr folk) end up writing for others because they have nothing burning in their own souls.

For me the ideal combination is words and ideas, but have learned to appreciate both even when less of the other is present.

 

[WantonWitch]

act even if it led to harming innocents?

No.... we have enough people to interract with, without ever harming an innocent... we are here to love and protect innocents

 

[Dhalgren150]

Don't think I missed this Druid



Isn't sexual tension sometimes heightened by the judicious use of words ?

This would have to argue that the more intelligent your partner is the more articulate and passionante they are going to be with the words they use

Some one elses turn

ahh but simple words such as come lie with me in the dew covered grass.

inspire maybe?

I agree one paints with words.

 

[alisonwunderlnd]

Oh, but it can...

Think of all the possible situations where sexual tension may exist...

still pondering this one.....mmmmmm

 

[WantonWitch]

Not exactly what I meant, witchie, but agree with your point.

What I was saying is someone like Francis of Assissi wrote about very complex ideas on the relation of humanity, animals and the earth/environment but used very simple language because of educational challenges and to interact with his desired audience-are his ideas less captivating because he used less lofty language than Shakespeare or Sappho to express himself?

*Grins* Good point, but were he alive today, what sort of language would he put his point across in ?
The words of the time work for that time and are often beautiful in thier simplicity whilst still managing to teach and entertain.
Doesn't mean he'd turn my head were he here now tho'

 

[BlackWolf65]

still pondering this one.....mmmmmm

Example...

There is very strong sexual tension between myself and a married mother... If we should act on that sexual tension, is there a possibility that the children of this woman might be hurt by our actions?

 

[alisonwunderlnd]

Precisely, most of the best wordsmiths today (journalists, ghostwriters, biographers, pr folk) end up writing for others because they have nothing burning in their own souls.

For me the ideal combination is words and ideas, but have learned to appreciate both even when less of the other is present.

exactly
and I dont know if they had nothing burning in their souls
OR
they were just unable to convey heart felt thoughts and ideas
I have been in and out with many many writers of different degrees and find that they just cant express their HEART to someone as their own....weird but true enough for me and those i have known

 

[lik_m_ade]

When I read this the first thing that came to my mind was the thought (and memory) that, in my life, some of the most inarticulate people I have met have had the most profound impact upon my life - and I mean in a positive way.

Articulate speech is not a definite sign of intelligence in and of itself in my mind - it is evidence that the individual has a really good memory for complicated speech patterns.

And my cover is ... everything I say may be or is wrong.

Good point, the whole era of courtly love in poetry is an example of this. (well most of it, lol, there were some gems)

And as BlackWolf65 pointed out, brevity has been the hallmark of some profound classics of communications. They are honoured in their brevity rather than their complexity.

 

[alisonwunderlnd]

Example...

There is very strong sexual tension between myself and a married mother... If we should act on that sexual tension, is there a possibility that the children of this woman might be hurt by our actions?

okay
how would the children be harmed by this?

 

[WantonWitch]

ahh but simple words such as come lie with me in the dew covered grass.

inspire maybe?

I agree one paints with words.

Indeed, they do inspire, far more than.... get your knickers off now !


see the difference ? One requires intelligence and inspires desire , the other is just an expression of lust/want/need call it what you like

 

[alisonwunderlnd]

Indeed, they do inspire, far more than.... get your knickers off now !


see the difference ? One requires intelligence and inspires desire , the other is just an expression of lust/want/need call it what you like

and agreed once more here
I do think to,,,on the flip side
wording can get too candy coated and flowery..
such a thin line between inspiring me and naseau...LOL


druids words BTW were very nice.....

 

[WantonWitch]

Example...

There is very strong sexual tension between myself and a married mother... If we should act on that sexual tension, is there a possibility that the children of this woman might be hurt by our actions?

As my father would say " Are your intentions honourable ?... would you be breaking up a happy marriage on either side doing this ?

It's an odd concept for me that parents ' stay together for the children'... all those children forced to live with unhappy parents, children are resilient, they can and do adapt very quickly to a change in circumstances.
I thinks it's far better to have happy separated parents than unhappy ones, poor kids grow up thinking marriage means misery and sorrow and in some cases hate then.

 

[WantonWitch]

and agreed once more here
I do think to,,,on the flip side
wording can get too candy coated and flowery..
such a thin line between inspiring me and naseau...LOL


druids words BTW were very nice.....

Yes, there's a very fine line between the two... sometimes words can get too overpowering in hyperbole

 

[Dhalgren150]

Indeed, they do inspire, far more than.... get your knickers off now !


see the difference ? One requires intelligence and inspires desire , the other is just an expression of lust/want/need call it what you like

hummmm interesting words.... I have never used get them off now.. well maybe a few times in heated passion I have.



yes make love to the mind the rest will follow.

 

[alisonwunderlnd]

yes make love to the mind the rest will follow.

hell yes

 

[BlackWolf65]

As my father would say " Are your intentions honourable ?... would you be breaking up a happy marriage on either side doing this ?

It's an odd concept for me that parents ' stay together for the children'... all those children forced to live with unhappy parents, children are resilient, they can and do adapt very quickly to a change in circumstances.
I thinks it's far better to have happy separated parents than unhappy ones, poor kids grow up thinking marriage means misery and sorrow and in some cases hate then.

Oh, and I agree completely... But here is a potential for hurt... in this example... Say that the parents seperate... Mom builds a new relationship with her lover - he of the sexual tension spoken of... and then, their father decides to play nasty little games... Tells his children that the reason that he and mom and the kids are no longer a family is because mom was weak, couldn't resist this interloper's advances...

I've seen this happen... Over and over... Children, unfortunately, become weapons in the arsenal of disgruntled parents...

And it can all start with sexual tension between two people...

 

[WantonWitch]

hummmm interesting words.... I have never used get them off now.. well maybe a few times in heated passion I have.



yes make love to the mind the rest will follow.

*Grins* I thought that would make you laugh, but it's definitely true, I may not like flowery volumes of compliments and rubbish, but I certainly enjoy a good debate, have to keep me interested out of the bedroom too

 

[lik_m_ade]

*Grins* I thought that would make you laugh, but it's definitely true, I may not like flowery volumes of compliments and rubbish, but I certainly enjoy a good debate, have to keep me interested out of the bedroom too

Exactly, if there isn't some interesting interplay to keep the minds sharp and in contact-how can they make sparks to ignite the bodies to passion?

 

[WantonWitch]

Oh, and I agree completely... But here is a potential for hurt... in this example... Say that the parents seperate... Mom builds a new relationship with her lover - he of the sexual tension spoken of... and then, their father decides to play nasty little games... Tells his children that the reason that he and mom and the kids are no longer a family is because mom was weak, couldn't resist this interloper's advances...

I've seen this happen... Over and over... Children, unfortunately, become weapons in the arsenal of disgruntled parents...

And it can all start with sexual tension between two people...

As I said children are resiliant and believe it or not are quite capable of making thier own minds up.

So the father gets mean, you both need to reassure the children that you love and respect each other, that you got together because you loved each other so much it hurt to be apart. Don't fight back with more spiteful words, always use positive and loving reasons

 

[BlackWolf65]

Strictly hypothetical, of course...

Let's say that there is a man who has had little if anything to do with his children in terms of quality time for fifteen years. Suddenly, his wife says that she is leaving. He takes a vacation from work for a week, and decides that it's time to "make up for lost time."

The kids know of the tension - all kids do... and when this starts, the oldest kid says to mom, "Does he think he can make up for fifteen years with one week?"

AND YET... This man is their father... And as the marriage finally dissolves, they are hurt by watching this... Even though Dad hasn't really been there, he *has* been in the house, but now, he's gone. And suddenly, here comes the interloper... The man that Dad says is completely responsible for the destruction of the family...

Are these kids being hurt??

 

[WantonWitch]

Exactly, if there isn't some interesting interplay to keep the minds sharp and in contact-how can they make sparks to ignite the bodies to passion?

*Chuckles* and on that note I'm seeking my bed, it's gone 2 am

Good night or morn as it is now fair folks, keep up the debate it's just getting interesting

Sleep well and dream sweet when you reach your beds

 

[lik_m_ade]

There are a lot of people on the boards who enjoy erotica AND intelligent conversation. So what do you say?

Strictly hypothetical, of course...

Let's say that there is a man who has had little if anything to do with his children in terms of quality time for fifteen years. Suddenly, his wife says that she is leaving. He takes a vacation from work for a week, and decides that it's time to "make up for lost time."

The kids know of the tension - all kids do... and when this starts, the oldest kid says to mom, "Does he think he can make up for fifteen years with one week?"

AND YET... This man is their father... And as the marriage finally dissolves, they are hurt by watching this... Even though Dad hasn't really been there, he *has* been in the house, but now, he's gone. And suddenly, here comes the interloper... The man that Dad says is completely responsible for the destruction of the family...

Are these kids being hurt??

Is it just me or is this somewhat off topic?