INCEST-- Isn't it how we all got here?

[Hullo_nurse]

Ok, I was raised in a Christian home & taught that the world was created by God and that Adam & Eve were the first humans. Wouldn't that mean that they had to have both boy and girl children? Or that Eve copulated with her sons to further the human race?? Wouldn't that be considered incest?

I know in the early parts of the Bible girl children weren't mentioned, with very few exceptions. So assuming that Adam & Eve had the 3 boys mentioned in Genesis and also had some girls (since there was NO method of birth control then otrher than abstinence), then you would assume that the bunch of them all screwed each other to make more humans.

So, how can incest be wrong, if it is how the world origionally became populated? And didn't Noah sleep with his daughters after the flood?


Methinks itsa conspiracy!!!!

 

[Docgtvt]

sounds like the gene pool in a shot glass

 

[Bs]

Whoa, Holly Chit guys this place has taken a whole new look since last I was here!!!!

But, I memory serves correct,,, Debra was the only one allowed to give biblical accounts for all wonders great and small..... (I always wanted to attend one of her sunday school classes).... but I digress....

So, all that said .... Nurse you may be onto somthing there....


Misssed ya all..... even the ole slut-boy....

Just a little bs ....

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

And Cain (or was is Abel?) wnet to live in the Land of Nod (down the road from Oz I think) and knew his wife. The Bible implies lots and lots of people of the planet, not just Adam's family.

Besides, by the time we were proto-humans there were plenty of us to form a gene pool. And by the time we evolved into Homo Sapiens what little damage incest did to the pool was, er, washed away.

But, techincally, yes, we're all related to each other, very, very likely, in fact, related to each by a single female. So let's have at them incest stories. Woo-hoo!

 

[Svedish_Chef]

Just because it isnt meantioned doesn't mean it didn't happen... at the moment no answer though

Da chef

 

[Siren]

Whoa DCL ??? you might be onto somethinhg there

 

[Never]

The family that plays together.. stays together.

 

[Lasher]

But, techincally, yes, we're all related to each other, very, very likely, in fact, related to each by a single female. So let's have at them incest stories. Woo-hoo!

Actually, and I don't remember the specific details on how this was worked out, all human beings are related in such a way as that the loosest familial relationship between two human beings (i.e. the person who would be the most unrelated to you) is 15th Cousin....

 

[Thumper]

Hiya Cuz!

Think I'll pop on over to my cousin Billy Gates' spread for a little vacation...wanna come along. I here he has windows in every room of his mansion...

 

[Lasher]

I here he has windows in every room of his mansion

I heard that, too. Problem is, no one can get any sleep there. Everytime you turn around, one of those damn windows is crashing.....

 

[Thumper]

Just glad all 98 of'em don't crash at once....I might get a little squeamish with all the bugs in them...

Do you think he has someone do his Netscap, er landscaping...Or has a Navigator in the driveway...

Wonder if he likes "MACdonalds"

 

[Endlessly]

The Old Testament: The first incest mag

It doesn't matter if we were all incestuously related due to Adam and Eve (though some women had sex with the nephilim, but that's Deborah's area of expertise and not mine).

We're all related even closer than we were because, after the great flood, it said Noah's family repopulated the whole world by itself.

Oh, and biblical stuffs aside.. Everyone on the earth is now related by no more than 47th cousin; most people are far more closely related than that. The number decreases every day.

 

[CreamyLady]

I believe it was Lot's daughters who slept with him, after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Noah had sons, who had wives.

 

[Jade]

And I thought I was the only one who thought that! LOL

Seriously, at first I thought this was going to be a thread about incest and how a huge percentage of women that visit this site have been victims of some form of molestation/ I figured you were doing a study or something. But, I guess I am the only person who noticed that, has anyone else? I am j/curious as usual.

 

[Beebeeblue]

Thinking about it....

Noah took his wife, 3sons and their spouses on the boat for 40 days and nites. Supposedly, they were the only ones left. So, that could make the incest thing not as bad. But yes, we did come from Adam and Eve. One man, one woman...and a whole lotta loving going on!!!!

 

[funny_guy]

All the more evidence that this whole christian thing is a sham.

 

[Slut_boy]

Even if the human race has an incestal origin (and I am not convinced) then that surely doesn't imply that all subsequent relations between people are also incestous. The most obvious (on the biblical version) is that brothers and sisters must have once, in a remote past, engaged - but you and I are neither siblings nor cousins. And in the absence of that, where is the presumed incest?

 

[Firesprite]

ok.. hope I can help a little on this one..

in Genesis 2:9 it says "And the Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground - trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"

Genesis 2:16&17 says "And the Lord God commanded the man. "you are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.""

Ok.. I know you are going "so what? I thought we were talking incest here." I assure you.. we are. stay with me for a moment.

Most people agree (if they believe the creation theory or not) that what God perceives as one day is not in fact what we perceive as one day, and therefore where it says on the first day he did this, on the second day he did that they proably were not 24 hour time periods. they were YEARS and YEARS. some speculate each "day" to be 1000 years. Who knows. ok. My next point.

The trees. there were TWO special trees in the garden. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Only one of them was Adam told not to eat. he could munch out on the tree of life as much as he wanted. Adam was a pretty old dude.

But remember.. back when God was creating stuff.. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." cool. Adam and Eve were perfect. why should they have to worry about incest?.. they had great genes.

Ok here we have two happy healthy people who eat from the tree of life and have perfect genes. chances are they bred like rabbits, and those wee kiddies also had great genes cos everything was perfect and everyone ate from the tree of life and got old but didn't degenerate cos of those perfect genes. and all their kiddies and all their kiddies and all their kiddies. By the way - Adam and Eve were incestuous too.. they did it with the kids. (see below)

One day Eve chatted to the serpent and he told her she wouldn't die if she ate from the tree of good and evil. she believed him and ate it and gave some to Adam.
God cursed her Genesis 3:16 "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you" see.. she already had kids if pain were to increase. if she hadn't then He would have said "you will have pain and childbirth"
Oh... One other thing about the tree of life.. you had to keep on eating it.

Genesis 3:22 "And the Lord God said. "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live for ever." So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken."

So.. (just finishing up now) Cain was one of Adam and Eve's sons once they had been kicked out of the garden (again it doesn't say first child or first son.. Cain is just the first child mentioned) "Later she gave birth to his brother Abel" ... "Adam lay with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth..."

Moving on.. Genesis 5:3 "When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his image and named him Seth. (how many of them didn't look like him??) After Seth was born, Adam Lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Adam lived 930 yeas, and then he died" Alot of kids could have been born in that first 130 years of Adams life.. I see no reason why they wouldn't live in a town called Nod.

In Regards to Noah.. there is no mention of how many wives his sons had. Noah only had one wife.

And ask any doctor... you only need 2 different blood types to get the different blood types that we have today.

Hope that helps! (by the way peoples.. that is only my interpretation. If you want to contradict me, go right ahead)

**jumps down off the pulpit and hands the stage back***

 

[Roland Gilliad]

one word: BraVO

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Firesprite, that was lovely, and well thought out. I do think, though, that you've padded Genesis a bit with unknown events, laws of nature in the Garden of Eden, and time frames that you've surmised more than found. But, hey, it's as good a interpetation as anyone else's.

I'd argue the whole existence of Adam and Eve and put Creationism back on the Mythology shelf, but Nurse said clearly, "So assuming that Adam & Eve..." etc., so this is clearly not not the place for a science vrs religion debate. She's asking about incest in terms of the Bible. So, staying in the Bible's playground...

I think God can still claim incest to be wrong, even if the whole race started out that way. God also condoned murder, betrayal, genocide, torture and all sorts of nasty things in the interest of advancing his little biological experiment here on earth. It's never how you start out that matters to God, but how you finish. Look at Original Sin, which we're all born with. We start life with a big black mark against us. What matters is how we finish that life. I think you can apply the same logic to the nature of existence -- our race grew from incest, but isn't expected to finish that way.

There's my addition to Genensis.

Now I'm going to go read "Inherit the Wind", grab a microphone, and pay a visit to the Oklahoma Board of Education.

 

[Firesprite]

Thanks DCL. I have actually thought a wee bit about the matter in the past. Yes, I will agree with you that alot of my argument is supposition, although to my knowledge none of what I have surmised has anything else in the bible to refute it. If someone can find me a passage that states otherwise I will readily rethink my position. After all, isn't that how we learn?

Firesprite

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Well, I suppose I could say that "I think tractors can fly, after all, there's nothing in the Bible to refute it". So putting the onus on the Bible to disprove any theory is probably not the most logical way to go.

Still, I liked your "read". A lot better than a Fundamentalist take on the myths, which adds the begats from Adam to Jesus and comes up with a world 10,000 years old. ("Dinosaur bones? WHAT dinosaur bones?")

Besides, I probably could find something in the Bible to refute you. Or ANY theory, frankly. Anyone who goes look for a specific answer will always find it, especially with the archetypical heavy mythos of the Bible.

Remember the dunce who came up with The Bible Code a couple of years back? He came up with a computer program which found patterns in the Bible's original sanskrit text which spelled out the names of prophets and religious events. You konw, something along the line of "read every third letter in Exodus and you will find the names of the Apostles".

And he was right! The pattern is there (somewhat -- he stretched a bit with his interpretation of the words and the alphabet).

The only problem was he was LOOKING for the words he wanted to find, i.e. religious names and references. Once this system got into the hands of actual scientists and educators they showed him how, using the same method of pattern finding, you could also find in the Bible the names of the National League Hockey teams. Now unless Jesus meant us to pray to the Father, the Son and the Holy Hockey Puck I don't think this "message" belies any angelic origin, and shows that this was just another example of bad science and poor critical thinking and a human tendancy to see simple coincidence and the laws of probability as, somehow, "miracles".

So, I'm sure if I look hard enough in the Pslams I can find something to refute you, me, Newton's Laws of Motion, and maybe even Lasher (just maybe).

 

[Firesprite]

Good Point!

I stand corrected.

I've heard of this bible code.. apparently War and Peace and Moby Dick are also good sources of "prophetic" words. LOL

 

[Deborah]

Yeah, I read the "The Bible Code" by Michael Droshnin. But of course that POS (piece of shit) did make the best seller list and made the dude a bunch of money, as did Neale Donald Walsch's "Conversations with God." I think these were the last two books I actually purchased and the price of these boods convinced me to just go to Barnes & Noble and read the POS for free.

Firesprite, I commend you on your biblical interest, but don't you know you could be burned as a witch for quoting the bible around here? Thank God I have an asbestos jump suit with a hood. Here's a question for you, Firesprite ...

If you say Adam and Eve were the first humans, how can you reconcile the genealogy of the bible I wonder? According to Genesis 5:1, "This is THE BOOK OF THE GENERATIONS OF ADAM ..." The date of approximately 4,000 BC for the appearance of Adam and Eve is generally arrived at by analyzing the genealogy of Adam, as stated in the bible. You are left with the dilemma that either Adam and Eve were not the first humans, or the genealogy of Adam is baloney.

For you bible believers, speaking of genealogy in the bible, it appears to me a case could be made that Jesus Christ descended from incestuous fornication, as did King David, since they supposedly share the same ancestor, Pharez, who was begotten through Judah's fornication with Tamar, his daughter-in-law.

The word "incest" does not appear in the bible. It is from the Latin "incestus" which means "unchaste." My dictionary says "incest" means "sexual relations between persons so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom." The "illegal" presents some difficulty because different countries and different states have varied definitions. The medieval church defined even spiritual relationships such as marriages between godparents and their godchildren and immediate members of their godparents' families to be incestuous.

The biblical concept of incest seems to be fairly well outlined in Leviticus, chapters 18 and 20, beginning with Lev. 18:6, "None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness ..." Then numerous specific examples are mentioned, such as 18:15, "Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law ..."

Then we have the rather interesting verse Lev. 20:16, "And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast ..." Now, this word "beast" is interesting. It is translated from the Hebrew word "behemah" which means "dee_cole or dave-73."

Back to the incredible interest in incest, as evidenced by four current threads on the subject on this BB, I think the story I'm working on at the moment needs a little incest. Just added the line, "Caitlin, I have had sex with my father, the governor," Sal confessed guiltily. I'll write the rest later. Right now this subject is making me so hot I have to go call my Daddy.

 

[gypsyprince]

Soddom and Gamorrah

Incest is rampant in Biblical mythos. If I am not mistaken, after Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt upon attempting to escaped the 2 doomed cities, he commited incest in a cave with his two daughters.