Impeachment Thread

[Dumpington]

Secretive Victoria writes: "I'm currently viewing Trump's impeachment from the following perspective: Impeachment is incredibly popular, while Trump is incredibly unpopular."

If the Democratic Party had the political muscle to remove Trump from office, I suppose that would impress their base, if nothing else.

But they DO NOT - even Nancy Pelosi now seems hesitant to forward her articles of impeachment to the U.S. Senate, acknowledging that they're going to FAIL in that legislative body, where the Republicans aren't about to allow Adam Schiff & Jerry Nadler to run the show.

If the Senate agrees to a trial WITH WITNESSES, it's very likely that both Hunter & Joe Biden will be forced to appear to explain WHY their family was getting rich working in the Ukraine. Meanwhile, Democrat Senator Chuck Schumer is hinting that he'd like to completely start all over with fresh witnesses, which is his way of saying that the House Democrats did a piss poor job making their case!

A victory for President Trump in a U.S. Senate trial will show the American people that Nancy Pelosi has spent the past three years wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on a FAILED attempt to remove this president from office! And that would IN NO WAYS be a victory for the Democratic Party!

 

[Rightguide]

The Constitution sets the form of the Impeachment, but the Senate sets the rules, like witnesses or not, facts or Rethuglicunt obstructionism. Good thing the affair is presided over by the Chief Justice and not the Vice PeeResident, otherwise we'd need Crocodile Dundee to clear out the wallabies and Koalas.

The Senate like House makes their own rules. The Chief Justice will not be allowed to break the rules of the Senate. Study the role of Chief Justice Rehnquist in the Clinton trial and what he refused to do.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I'm currently viewing Trump's impeachment from the following perspective: Impeachment is incredibly popular, while Trump is incredibly unpopular.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/impeachment-incredibly-popular/603661/

"The lack of movement over the past few weeks, given the overwhelming evidence, is certainly disheartening. As Michael Tesler writes in The Washington Post, the most persuadable voters aren’t paying much attention to the impeachment. Most voters are likely following their party affiliation: “A long line of social science research shows that when political elites are this sharply divided, the public follows their lead. Partisan messaging is so powerful that Americans tend to adopt their party’s standpoint even when that position runs counter to science and objective facts.”

This looks familar....

 

[BotanyBoy]

"The lack of movement over the past few weeks, given the overwhelming evidence, is certainly disheartening. As Michael Tesler writes in The Washington Post, the most persuadable voters aren’t paying much attention to the impeachment. Most voters are likely following their party affiliation: “A long line of social science research shows that when political elites are this sharply divided, the public follows their lead. Partisan messaging is so powerful that Americans tend to adopt their party’s standpoint even when that position runs counter to science and objective facts.”

This looks familar....

Yea the biology deniers on the left pretending men can be women because physiology is a social construct!!!


https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/south-park-strong-woman-competition.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=720

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yea the biology deniers on the left pretending men can be women.

So you, being on the "right", don't deny that women can be men.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So you, being on the "right", don't deny that women can be men.

What??

What kinda mental gymnastics did you do to wind up with that??

You'd be incorrect in your assumption because I'm a biologist, not an intersectional nut job who ignores biology.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What??

What kinda mental gymnastics did you do to wind up with that??

Go back and read what you wrote. That is where I came up with it. No mental gymnastic required.

 

[magicalmoments]

#854 above
So... What you're saying is that if the senate does not remove trump from office then the democrats will be the losers. Just like the republicans were when the senate failed to remove Clinton from office.

Very good point to make, republicans are losers.

 

[Dumpington]

magicalmoments writes: "Very good point to make, republicans are losers."

Yes, I suppose you could make the case that the Republicans made a mistake when they tried to impeach President Bill Clinton for lying under oath in the late 1990's, following the president's ongoing efforts to obstruct an investigation into charges that he sexually harrassed women while he was the Governor of Arkansas and president of the United States! Their impeachment effort DIED in the U.S. Senate, which made them "losers!"

But that was then and this is now. As you have so aptly pointed out, the 2019 House Democrats FAILED to learn the lessons of history, and as the old saying goes: "if you fail to learn the lessons of history you are condemned to REPEAT them!" If the House Democrats now FAIL to win a conviction in the U.S. Senate next month, then magicalmoments will be absolutely correct in assessing that the Democrats are LOSERS!

It's rare that you & I are in agreement on something, magicalmoments, but this appears to be one of those times. Let's see what happens next!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Go back and read what you wrote. That is where I came up with it. No mental gymnastic required.

https://i.imgur.com/VFGIUO4.jpg?fb

 

[Leather_Lesbian]

"They have no defense for what Trump did. The tide has turned. And they know it. He will be impeached."

-Republican, Joe Walsh

Former Rep. Dave Trott (R-MI) is the latest Republican to say Donald Trump should be removed from office.

In a letter to the Atlantic, Trott wrote that Trump's behavior is "frightening" and that "Trump is psychologically, morally, intellectually, and emotionally unfit for office."

"We can only hope Congress impeaches and removes him so we have a choice between two adults in 2020," Trott wrote.

 

[jp55665566]

Former Rep. Dave Trott (R-MI) is the latest Republican to say Donald Trump should be removed from office.

In a letter to the Atlantic, Trott wrote that Trump's behavior is "frightening" and that "Trump is psychologically, morally, intellectually, and emotionally unfit for office."

"We can only hope Congress impeaches and removes him so we have a choice between two adults in 2020," Trott wrote.

"former" Rep. haha

 

[YDB95]

"former" Rep. haha

Indeed, they only seem to find their backbone when they retire or leave the party. Which says a lot.

 

[phrodeau]

Indeed, they only seem to find their backbone when they retire or leave the party. Which says a lot.

Because that’s when the Russian cash stops flowing.

 

[JackLuis]

New poll shows how Mitch McConnell should be running scared instead of gloating about Trump impeachment

A new poll released on Christmas Day shows record-level support among U.S. voters for the ouster of President Donald Trump—a finding that indicates the Republican Party’s effort to obstruct accountability for the president is not having the desired result.

The daily tracking poll from Microsoft News published Wednesday asked respondents if they “support or oppose the Senate voting to remove President from office?” It found that while 55% of people support only 40% oppose—a dramatic surge for those backing Trump’s ouster and a record for the poll that has been asking that same question since late September of this year.

Mitch's conundrum is, does he convict Trump and save his bacon, completely destroying the Republican brand, or does he save Trump and completely destroy the Republican brand?
Hummm...?

 

[JackLuis]

Democrats should push John Roberts for a bench warrant to force Trump’s testimony in the Senate: Watergate prosecutor

On Thursday’s edition of MSNBC’s “The Beat,” former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman walked through how Senate Democrats should lean on Chief Justice John Roberts to compel testimony from President Donald Trump in the impeachment trial.

“ecause this is a civil matter, Trump has no Fifth Amendment privilege in terms of refusing to get up on the witness stand. He has to get up if he’s called,” said Akerman. “And if he’s testifying, there’s no way he can talk himself out of this. That’s the problem that the Republicans have. The facts are so overwhelming that Donald Trump was using the peoples’ money to shake down the president of Ukraine. And he can’t talk himself out of this. He can be cross-examined. He’s going to lie on it. But the lies aren’t going to do any good in light of the facts upon which he can be cross-examined.”

Humm...

 

[YDB95]

New poll shows how Mitch McConnell should be running scared instead of gloating about Trump impeachment

Silly JackLuis, don't you remember the polls can never, ever be trusted unless they show the Republicans winning?

 

[JackLuis]

Ex-prosecutor warns Senate Republicans — helping McConnell rig the impeachment trial will ‘forever define’ your career

On Thursday, former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner tweeted a warning to Senate Republicans — reminding them that there will be long-term consequences to their political careers if they go along with any effort by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to rig the impeachment trial in favor of President Donald Trump:

I believe KeithD mentioned that as well.

Glenn Kirschner
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@glennkirschner2

History is barreling down on Senate Republicans. Their vote on the impeachment trial will forever define their public life. Will they be remembered for voting in favor of McConnell/Graham’s no-witness rigged trial? Or will history record them as standing for fairness & justice?

 

[YDB95]

I don't think the Senate Republicans care about their legacy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think they just care about doing their part in the culture wars and letting the rich continue to further line their pockets as long as possible.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't think the Senate Republicans care about their legacy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think they just care about doing their part in the culture wars and letting the rich continue to further line their pockets as long as possible.

They do care about their legacy......the right to ones own labor/production and the freedom to keep it (not rent it from the state) is integral to being American, that individual pursuit of happiness IS the American dream, they are protecting that very very American legacy.

(D)'s are attacking it wholesale, they want to replace the 'individual pursuit of happiness' with the 'collective pursuit of equity' because they can't STAND the American dream, they hate it along with most everything the US stands for.

If anyone should be worried about their legacy it should be the (D)eez.

 

[YDB95]

If anyone should be worried about their legacy it should be the (D)eez.

I rather suspect that's why the House majority voted to impeach Der Gropenfuhrer. Now they're not the ones at risk of history showing they voted to prop up a dangerously incompetent criminal.

 

[Boxlicker101]

New poll shows how Mitch McConnell should be running scared instead of gloating about Trump impeachment



Mitch's conundrum is, does he convict Trump and save his bacon, completely destroying the Republican brand, or does he save Trump and completely destroy the Republican brand?
Hummm...?

I would hope you would not take "Raw Story" seriously. Here is the Gallup poll showing a small majority opposing impeachment: https://news.gallup.com/poll/271691/trump-approval-inches-support-impeachment-dips.aspx

 

[BotanyBoy]

I rather suspect that's why the House majority voted to impeach Der Gropenfuhrer.

That was just a (D) virtue signal about how much they hate Trump, and nothing more.

Now they're not the ones at risk of history showing they voted to prop up a dangerously incompetent criminal.

(D)'s haven't proven him dangerously incompetent much less a criminal.

Hating Trump a whole whole lot doesn't make him a criminal.

 

[Dumpington]

Oklahoma's Republican U.S. Representative Tom Cole, a cool-headed senior member of the House of Representatives, put it best when he recently tweeted: "After running a totally partisan and closed impeachment process in the House, [Pelosi] now wants an open and bipartisan process in the Senate? That is the height of political hypocrisy!"

Nancy Pelosi says she only wants a U.S. Senate trial that's "fair." She's entitled to her opinion, but she's ALSO failing to carry out her duties as leader of the House by doing so. Harvard University legal expert Noah Feldman is correct when he points out that the president is not deemed to have been impeached until the articles are forwarded to the Senate, so why should Pelosi be planning for a trial? Isn't that premature?

Will this silliness never end? Probably not. Nancy Pelosi and her allies are giving America "a permanent impeachment" with no trial. For all of her high-minded talk about the gravity of the situation and the steps being taken by the House, she's messing around with the Constitution while trying to overturn the results of the last election and influence the outcome of the next. She might succeed, at least as far as the latter effort is concerned, but NOT in the way she intends.

 

[JackLuis]

Lindsey Graham inundated with mockery after whining that Pelosi is ‘persecuting’ Trump by demanding a fair Senate trial

In a post to Twitter this Friday, Lindsey Graham (R-SC) lamented that President Trump is being “persecuted” by the Democrats’ impeachment efforts against him.

“What’s the difference between prosecution and persecution?” Graham wrote. “When [Speaker Pelosi] drives a highly partisan process devoid of due process denying the president his day in court and trampling on the constitutional separation of powers.”

In a followup tweet, Graham offered another answer to his rhetorical question:

“When the Senate Minority Leader insists on denying [President Trump] the ability to go to court and exercise Executive Privilege regarding Senate Democrats’ witness lists.”

Unsurprisingly, there were plenty of people who disagreed with his sentiment:

You would think that Ms Lindsey would understand that the Impeachment is like an indictment, and the "Fair Trial" and defence is conducted in the Senate, after Impeachment. Did he flunk that in Con Law 101?