Impeachment Thread

[gunthernehmen]

It isn't, but 1) that's not really what you're doing when you call her "Fauxahontas," and you know it; and 2) she didn't "know she did not possess" Native American ancestry at that time. She made a mistake, and she has apologised for it. That alone makes for a nice contrast with Twitler, if you ask me.


There is no evidence that she deliberately misled anyone. She believed - wrongly but honestly, by all extant evidence - that she was of Native American ancestry. (And that 'joke' was still around when I was a college student a decade or so later. I imagine it still is.)


Ask some real Native Americans what they think of calling her that name. I have.

Actually, that's exactly what I was doing. I was mocking a liar. I don't believe it was a mistake. I believe she deliberately lied to her own advantage.

I have asked a (genuine) Native American that and his reaction was in sync with my comment. I'd be as shocked at all NA's sharing that same opinion as I would be to find all Americans voting unanimously for one person.

 

[YDB95]

Actually, that's exactly what I was doing. I was mocking a liar. I don't believe it was a mistake. I believe she deliberately lied to her own advantage.

There is no evidence that she did. A Boston Globe expose found no such evidence. The worst she is known to have done was to list her ethnicity as "Native American" on a Texas state bar directory. Where the whole thing has had an impact, it has clearly been a negative one. Why would she do that on purpose?

I have asked a (genuine) Native American that and his reaction was in sync with my comment. I'd be as shocked at all NA's sharing that same opinion as I would be to find all Americans voting unanimously for one person.

I've met one Native American who agreed with you, too. One. Surely you don't need me to tell you how the NA vote has been trending - that's why North Dakota passed a law last year that effectively disenfranchised thousands of them, after all.

 

[gunthernehmen]

There is no evidence that she did. A Boston Globe expose found no such evidence. The worst she is known to have done was to list her ethnicity as "Native American" on a Texas state bar directory. Where the whole thing has had an impact, it has clearly been a negative one. Why would she do that on purpose?



I've met one Native American who agreed with you, too. One. Surely you don't need me to tell you how the NA vote has been trending - that's why North Dakota passed a law last year that effectively disenfranchised thousands of them, after all.

Since there is no evidence either way, you may continue to believe as you wish. btw, the Globe is further left than the liar in question.

 

[YDB95]

Since there is no evidence either way, you may continue to believe as you wish. btw, the Globe is further left than the liar in question.

Would it surprise you to know progressives find the media slanted against them just as much as conservatives do?

 

[gunthernehmen]

Would it surprise you to know progressives find the media slanted against them just as much as conservatives do?

Honestly, a bit.

The left media spins everything left and the right media spins everything right. My perception is there's more left bias than right.

 

[phrodeau]

Actually, that's exactly what I was doing. I was mocking a liar. I don't believe it was a mistake. I believe she deliberately lied to her own advantage.

I have asked a (genuine) Native American that and his reaction was in sync with my comment. I'd be as shocked at all NA's sharing that same opinion as I would be to find all Americans voting unanimously for one person.

Elizabeth Warren has native American ancestry, as proven by a DNA test, establishing a native American ancestor between six and ten generations back.

She does not have any tribal affiliation, because that is a different matter. She makes no claim to belong to any native American race, because that is also a different matter.

I know nuance can be difficult for you. Maybe this will help.

 

[YDB95]

My perception is there's more left bias than right.

Exactly. Your perception.

 

[JackLuis]

Honestly, a bit.

The left media spins everything left and the right media spins everything right. My perception is there's more left bias than right.

In most systems, a right hand screw is IN and a left hand screw is Out, so you think that Rethugs are screwing IN and the Left is Unscrewing?

You may have something there!

 

[gunthernehmen]

Three cutsie answers that highlight the obvious fact that none of us know but we all have opinions. OMG it's almost like we're human.

Based on what I've seen, both sides are irredeemably corrupt. The right is less out of line with my views.

Our founding fathers did a pretty good job of setting up a system that would take us a long time to destroy, but the current powers that be (both sides) are gaining ground.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "I could comment on Trump's performance among Jewish voters, but that would only be dignifying this crap with a response."

The Jewish vote is abandoning the Democratic Party as effectively & rapidly as that party is attracting anti-Israeli Muslim voters! Trust me, making Ilhan Omar your party's spokeswoman (alongside Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez) is NOT the best thing to do if the Democrats are serious about keeping Jewish voters happy!

"Then it's up to the Senate - not you or me - to decide if trying to blackmail a foreign leader into digging up dirt on Trump's political opponent fits the bill."

It's up the the U.S. Senate to decide whether or not one political party is attempting to circumvent the U.S. Constitution with a partisan witchhunt, and if so they will then vindicate that president by handing his opponents a stinging defeat! And if that happens, Trump almost certainly wins re-election in 2020!

"...if Trump becomes a political liability to the Republican senators who are up for reelection? We'll see."

Yes, if the Senate Republicans opt to openly side with Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Planned Parenthood, Maxine Waters, Antifa, Beto O'Rourke, & Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, then I'd agree with you Donald Trump is in some SERIOUS TROUBLE!

"Not to mention if the Russians meddle again..."

The Russians tend to meddle in American elections when we have a WEAK president in the White House (like Barack Obama), but that's no longer the case!

"The most qualified candidate is not necessarily the best candidate..."

The Democratic Party currently has NO good candidates - they're ALL embarrassingly bad (as you will see when one of those losers actually WINS that party's 2020 presidential nomination!)

JackLuis writes: "You have made it clear repeatedly that you don't know anything about any of the above either."

Exactly how many people has President Trump rounded-up and shot or gassed in death camps? Hitler really did that, Jack - to millions of innocent people! Many of today's Trump-haters have NO IDEA who Hitler was or what he did!

 

[phrodeau]

“Vote for Trump. He’s not as bad as Hitler.”

 

[gunthernehmen]

“Vote for Trump. He’s not as bad as Hitler.”

I don't recall anyone (at least here) comparing Hillary OR Warren with Hitler, but sure. Run with that.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: “Vote for Trump. He’s not as bad as Hitler.”

And how is THAT any different from somebody writing: "Vote for Barack Obama - he's not as bad as Adolf Hitler," phrodeau? Seriously, is THAT now your idea of intelligent political discourse?

ANSWER: it's NOT! So WHY would you even be posting something so infantile?

gunthernehmen writes: "I don't recall anyone (at least here) comparing Hillary OR Warren with Hitler, but sure. Run with that."

Modern progressive/Democrats KNOW that Hitler was a bad guy, but they're NOT entirely sure who he was or what exactly he did.

I'm pretty sure that phrodeau knows that Hitler was a founder of the National-SOCIALIST German Worker's Party - National-Socialism being where we get the word "Nazi" from - but I'm surprised that he also believes Donald Trump to be pro-socialist!

 

[JackLuis]

JackLuis writes: "You have made it clear repeatedly that you don't know anything about any of the above either."

Exactly how many people has President Trump rounded-up and shot or gassed in death camps? Hitler really did that, Jack - to millions of innocent people! Many of today's Trump-haters have NO IDEA who Hitler was or what he did!

Now that's acting like a common dan!
I never wrote that! Come on, show some class, Dump!

 

[gunthernehmen]

phrodeau writes: “Vote for Trump. He’s not as bad as Hitler.”

And how is THAT any different from somebody writing: "Vote for Barack Obama - he's not as bad as Adolf Hitler," phrodeau? Seriously, is THAT now your idea of intelligent political discourse?

ANSWER: it's NOT! So WHY would you even be posting something so infantile?

gunthernehmen writes: "I don't recall anyone (at least here) comparing Hillary OR Warren with Hitler, but sure. Run with that."

Modern progressive/Democrats KNOW that Hitler was a bad guy, but they're NOT entirely sure who he was or what exactly he did.

I'm pretty sure that phrodeau knows that Hitler was a founder of the National-SOCIALIST German Worker's Party - National-Socialism being where we get the word "Nazi" from - but I'm surprised that he also believes Donald Trump to be pro-socialist!

Yes, but Hitler did start Volkswagen. And they later made a capitalistic FORTUNE from selling carbon spewing diesel deathtraps, just as they imagine Trump would do if he could.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Now that's acting like a common dan!

Ah. I thought I was the only one that noticed that about dan. He's been quiet lately, though.

 

[JackLuis]

‘Donald, it’s bad’: Rick Wilson hilariously drops some terrible news on Trump about impeachment

In another one of his typically scorching columns for the Daily Beast, GOP consultant Rick Wilson delivered some bad news to Donald Trump that his advisors likely aren’t telling him: he’s losing the impeachment battle badly.

Following another week of House impeachment testimony that even Republicans admit looks bad for the president, Wilson stated the idea that the threat of ouster likely hasn’t sunk in for Trump yet because everyone is afraid to tell him the truth.

As Wilson pithily put it: “Is this what winning feels like, Donald? You may think of yourself as the all-time world champion bullshit artist, but even a dull-witted, intellectually incurious slowcoach like you may have noticed that your carefully crafted image, political and personal fortunes, presidential legacy, and reputation are teetering over an abyss. You promised Americans they would grow sick of all the winning, but mostly they’ve grown sick of your shitshow White House, verbal incontinence, outrageous corruption, and the cost of carrying your water.”

With that said, Wilson got right into the impending impeachment.

I like RIck, he tells it like it is! Read the whole article Rick nails the PeeResident precisley.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "I could comment on Trump's performance among Jewish voters, but that would only be dignifying this crap with a response."

The Jewish vote is abandoning the Democratic Party as effectively & rapidly as that party is attracting anti-Israeli Muslim voters! Trust me, making Ilhan Omar your party's spokeswoman (alongside Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez) is NOT the best thing to do if the Democrats are serious about keeping Jewish voters happy!

Feel free to show us your evidence that Jewish voters are abandoning the Dems. Especially after what happened in Pittsburgh.

"Then it's up to the Senate - not you or me - to decide if trying to blackmail a foreign leader into digging up dirt on Trump's political opponent fits the bill."

It's up the the U.S. Senate to decide whether or not one political party is attempting to circumvent the U.S. Constitution with a partisan witchhunt, and if so they will then vindicate that president by handing his opponents a stinging defeat! And if that happens, Trump almost certainly wins re-election in 2020!

And if it doesn't happen? We all know you well enough to know you still think the Republicans will clean up in 2020. Besides, even if the Senate clears Trump, public perception will play a big role in how voters react. If it looks like Trump did in fact try to bribe a foreign leader to meddle in our elections - which he has literally admitted he did! - then the Republicans will come off looking like they're condoning his illegal actions, and they'll pay for it at the polls.

Do I know for sure that'll happen? No. But you don't know that it won't.

"...if Trump becomes a political liability to the Republican senators who are up for reelection? We'll see."

Yes, if the Senate Republicans opt to openly side with Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Planned Parenthood, Maxine Waters, Antifa, Beto O'Rourke, & Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, then I'd agree with you Donald Trump is in some SERIOUS TROUBLE!

Since most Americans already do support Planned Parenthood, I'd say we're doing pretty well in that regard - if I believed that had anything whatsoever to do with why Trump is in trouble. But I don't, and I doubt most Senate Republicans really think so either, though it's the kind of thing they might say publicly.

"Not to mention if the Russians meddle again..."

The Russians tend to meddle in American elections when we have a WEAK president in the White House (like Barack Obama), but that's no longer the case!

How do you square that belief with the fact that it was Trump they were trying to get elected? Doesn't it stand to reason that they would want to elect the weakest candidate they could?

"The most qualified candidate is not necessarily the best candidate..."

The Democratic Party currently has NO good candidates - they're ALL embarrassingly bad (as you will see when one of those losers actually WINS that party's 2020 presidential nomination!)

You would say that no matter who was running. Everyone here knows that.

JackLuis writes: "You have made it clear repeatedly that you don't know anything about any of the above either."

Exactly how many people has President Trump rounded-up and shot or gassed in death camps? Hitler really did that, Jack - to millions of innocent people! Many of today's Trump-haters have NO IDEA who Hitler was or what he did!

Wrong, Dump: we know - as you clearly do not - that Hitler worked his way slowly up to the point where he had the ability to do that. One doesn't just show up and say "let's murder six million people" and receive widespread popular support. He started off with using exactly the kind of dehumanising rhetoric with respect to the Jews that Trump uses with Latinx and Muslims (not to mention Democrats). THAT is how you work people up to the point where they're willing to condone genocide, and because Trump is notoriously ignorant of history (whose side was Italy on in World War II? And were they really our allies 1500 years before the USA existed?), he probably doesn't even know he's following in Hitler's footsteps. But he is.

 

[YDB95]

Can someone explain to me what this 'losing the impeachment battle' is based on? Last vote that I'd heard of, none of the Reps were in favor, and that wasn't too long ago. A lot still needs to be done, a lot of votes need to change, and I think their desire to save their own skin might be stronger than their calling to serve a country full of people they don't care about.

Keep in mind that impeachment simply means bringing the case to trial. Bill Clinton was impeached, but not convicted. Right now, the votes to convict probably are not there (yet), but the votes to impeach probably are.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Feel free to show us your evidence that Jewish voters are abandoning the Dems."

Representative Ilhan Omar (D-MN) is attracting Jewish voters to the Democratic Party in the same way that West Virginia U.S. Senator (and former Ku Kux Klan officer) Robert Byrd attracted black voters!

"Besides, even if the Senate clears Trump, public perception will play a big role in how voters react."

After Trump wins in the U.S. Senate, the angry Democratic Party will blame the racist U.S. Constitution (drawn-up by white slaveowners) in the same way that they blamed the Electoral College for electing Trump president - or the Second Amendment for allowing law-abiding Americans to own firearms!

And YOU, YDB95, will move yet another step closer to demanding that we change the name of Washington state to something less racist, along with urging that we tear down the Jefferson Memorial, and put Hugo Chavez's picture on the one-dollar bill, etc. You lack any deep-rooted core principles and/or values.

"Since most Americans already do support Planned Parenthood, I'd say we're doing pretty well in that regard..."

And they've SHOWN that support for Planned Parenthood by cheering on Dr. Christine Blasey-Ford's testimony by electing more REPUBLICAN U.S. Senators in the 2018 mid-terms to make it even EASIER for President Trump to confirm his next U.S. Supreme Court nominee! Am I right?

"Doesn't it stand to reason that they would want to elect the weakest candidate they could?"

And doesn't it stand to reason that the Russians would try to meddle in an American election when we had THE WEAKEST PRESIDENT THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD occupying the White House (e.g. Barack Obama)?

"Hitler worked his way slowly up to the point where he had the ability to do that."

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Adolf Hitler's unique brand of national-SOCIALISM, his deep-rooted-hatred for American democracy and our U.S. Constitution, & his virulent anti-Semitism attracted the support of "The Squad" and other progressive Democrats to the point where he won the White House. And then, as president, Hitler went on to politicize the Department of Justice, the CIA, the FBI, and even the Internal Revenue Service (ordering acting IRS-chief Lois Lerner to target opposition fundraising groups). Would you OPPOSE any of that, YDB95?

Hitler did NOT have a problem with Jews, Slavs, and/or Gypsies trying to illegally sneak into Nazi Germany! No, he instead invaded THEIR countries to round them up and exterminate them! People from all over the world are trying to enter Trump's America - both legally AND ILLEGALLY!

RubenR writes: "Can someone explain to me what this 'losing the impeachment battle' is based on?"

YDB95 responds: "Bill Clinton was impeached, but not convicted."

The U.S. House has the power to impeach President Trump. But the U.S. Senate will NEVER convict him. It's an enormous waste of time & money!

 

[JackLuis]

I just don't understand why it is that people deify Presidents when they like them, or condemn as Satan incarnate if they don't. All Presidents, Senators, Congress Critters are competent or incompetent, they are not "Perfect".

All the presidents I've seen are good at some things and bad at others. Why the bipolar reactions? I do think Trumpski is the WORST, but he hasn't started a Treasury draining war, yet.

By the way RCP average is +3.2 for Remove Trump. Low of +3 High of +6 in recent polls.

 

[Leather_Lesbian]

It would seem inevitable that Trump is going to be impeached and convicted. Republican attempts to halt impeachment have been childish and ineffective. Let's take a look at the Republicans childish attempts shall we?

1. Trump called Nancy Pelosi on the phone and asked if he could cut some kind of deal with her and make the impeachment inquiry go away.

2. Trump ordered all former and current government employees to ignore subpoenas issued by the House Intelligence Committee.

3. Trump very publicly complained about the New York Times and Washington Post covering the House inquiry and very loudly, angrily, melodramatically and childishly cancelled his subscriptions.

4. Trump had his lawyers claim that Trump was above the law and that Trump cannot be investigated for any crimes he commits.

5. After all of that failed, a group of Republicans (with Trump's approval) stormed into a closed door session of the House Intelligence Committee, violating national security rules and disrupting testimony of a witness.

All of these are CHILDISH STUNTS and will do NOTHING to prevent Trump from being impeached!

Although, I would like to point out that stunts like this do a lot to drive down the credibility of the Republican party.

The Republicans know that Trump is guilty as hell. That’s why they’re engaged in obstruction, bullying, childish stunts, tampering with witnesses and threatening civil war, rather than letting the facts of the case speak for themselves.

 

[gunthernehmen]

I just don't understand why it is that people deify Presidents when they like them, or condemn as Satan incarnate if they don't.

I have the same question.

Why do you have such a deep hatred for Trump that you start a weekly thread mocking him?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I have the same question.

Why do you have such a deep hatred for Trump that you start a weekly thread mocking him?

Trump if nothing else is polarizing. It is hard to have a view of him that is not either to one or the other extreme. He self generates this, and to him, is a proven winning strategy ( at least in the real estate markets).

So far he has used it and managed to wrest control of a party he was not even a member of till recent times. By making his appeal only to his base ( roughly 36-38% of voters) he has managed to keep the rest of the R's inline.

Rolling back in time, this is not far off where Nixon was, at about the same time in his impeachment process. Which just shows how things can change.

To me as a Canadian, I find it deeply troubling to watch a Democracy with such built in protections against one person having ultimate control, quickly moving in the direction of autonomy.

I can careless if Trump is impeached, not impeached, re-elected, or lose's in 2020. I do however care it I have a Democracy governing the country I share the longest undefended boarder in the world with, or a country governed by an all but in name Dictatorship. (One who, tends to lie for the most part, which leads me, as an outsider to worry).

And all you Americans should too.

Think about it, no one person is ever 100% right, or 100% wrong.

 

[JackLuis]

I have the same question.

Why do you have such a deep hatred for Trump that you start a weekly thread mocking him?

Because he is the WORST person to ever run for President. He is a fool and a braggart, a bull shit artist and general all round asshole. Nothing personal.