Impatience

[Zeb_Carter]

Don't try to backpedal now!

I'm not. I just asked a question. Still thinks she needs that slap.

 

[Recidiva]

I'm not. I just asked a question. Still thinks she needs that slap.

Yeah, you're probably right. Nobody likes a sore winner.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Sometimes it's like the Clint "empty chair" thing.

But damned if someone won't leap into that chair.

Folks love the drama! What they don't like are sermons and scolds. But gladiators and mud wrestlers conquer.

 

[Recidiva]

Folks love the drama! What they don't like are sermons and scolds. But gladiators and mud wrestlers conquer.

The poor actor who plays Joffrey on "Game of Thrones" keeps getting spit on by the public.

It's the same instinct. But you're not a young, pretty, trying to get ahead nice guy actor.

I just deleted a mean spoiler alert, because I do have some standards sometimes.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The poor actor who plays Joffrey on "Game of Thrones" keeps getting spit on by the public.

It's the same instinct. But you're not a young, pretty, trying to get ahead nice guy actor.

I just deleted a mean spoiler alert, because I do have some standards sometimes.

I stay in hot water over my veggie garden. It violates no laws or deed restrictions; the neighborhood beautification committee hates it and keeps shit stirred up, and when the county flunkies come out to harass me there aint shit they can do except waste my time and theirs. Jim isn't being bad he simply grows grapes and guavas and onions instead of what the committee demands. But the committee has no legal foundation. Its a mob of old assholes with demands.

Its the same here.

 

[RoyceConnors]

Going back to the original theme of this thread, if I find I'm getting impatient to write a chapter, I know the reader will most likely be the same reading it. I try to stay on track and flesh out the scene, making the impact of it hit harder when they finally get to it.

Impatience to me, says what I'm writing is worth reading, if the reader can't wait for the next scene/chapter.

 

[Recidiva]

Going back to the original theme of this thread, if I find I'm getting impatient to write a chapter, I know the reader will most likely be the same reading it. I try to stay on track and flesh out the scene, making the impact of it hit harder when they finally get to it.

Impatience to me, says what I'm writing is worth reading, if the reader can't wait for the next scene/chapter.

I think it also has a great deal to do with editing. You can do a lot of research on something and feel that all of your time must pay off, that you must be able to cram every bit of what you found out into the story.

When I realize how much research George R. R. Martin does on his books...and that he has created glacier-sized characters and we only see the tips of them interacting in the ocean of the narrative, I realize how much work is NOT shown by a good writer.

He frustrates the hell out of me and he doesn't care and I think that's cool. He's never going to give me a happy ending, and he's not giving in. Good for him, he made something new and well researched.

I was impatient with his work and I shouldn't have been. I was so busy to get to the end that I missed the journey the first time through. I learned some stuff from him.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think it also has a great deal to do with editing. You can do a lot of research on something and feel that all of your time must pay off, that you must be able to cram every bit of what you found out into the story.

When I realize how much research George R. R. Martin does on his books...and that he has created glacier-sized characters and we only see the tips of them interacting in the ocean of the narrative, I realize how much work is NOT shown by a good writer.

He frustrates the hell out of me and he doesn't care and I think that's cool. He's never going to give me a happy ending, and he's not giving in. Good for him, he made something new and well researched.

I was impatient with his work and I shouldn't have been. I was so busy to get to the end that I missed the journey the first time through. I learned some stuff from him.

Someone else made your observation. I cant recall his name, but he said that he turns over every stone and little of what he finds gets in his books, but the readers know! Certain knowledge adds subtle and sublime allusions and implications to the prose.

 

[Recidiva]

Someone else made your observation. I cant recall his name, but he said that he turns over every stone and little of what he finds gets in his books, but the readers know! Certain knowledge adds subtle and sublime allusions and implications to the prose.

Yes. All the reasons why I didn't like him (at first) are why I can be impatient in my own writing. I got spanked. At least I listened to it about five times to figure out what really bugged me about it.

He's better at construction and less willing to please an audience according to normal assumptions about stories. I'm unable to overcome my own insistence on romantic endings as a matter of course.

Fuck that guy. I want to be like him.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Yes. All the reasons why I didn't like him (at first) are why I can be impatient in my own writing. I got spanked. At least I listened to it about five times to figure out what really bugged me about it.

He's better at construction and less willing to please an audience according to normal assumptions about stories. I'm unable to overcome my own insistence on romantic endings as a matter of course.

Fuck that guy. I want to be like him.

Yep. I have an ending for my Indian War story but altered it a tidge to make its point less lethal. The ending wont be an AWWWWWW Moment, but the central problems are resolved as well as they could be in 1841. In fact I just had another flash of insight that works better but remains cruel fate.

 

[Recidiva]

Yep. I have an ending for my Indian War story but altered it a tidge to make its point less lethal. The ending wont be an AWWWWWW Moment, but the central problems are resolved as well as they could be in 1841. In fact I just had another flash of insight that works better but remains cruel fate.

I see this in the process of some of my favorite writers. Joss Whedon will challenge himself to do something horrible if only because he doesn't want to do it. Resulting in the death (and probable resurrection) of some of my favorite characters.

It is a common issue and you can see the conflict and strategies of overcoming that conflict in so many places.

Heinlein wrote about "fictons" and how writing something makes it real somewhere and creates a new universe, so one of his writer characters wouldn't do any more things that had to do with torture and horror.

When you write "real" characters, and especially real and beloved to the author, they're family. Why would you torture and kill your family?

...because it makes a good story, that's why.

"It's not a good story unless the hero dies." - Dragon Age II

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I see this in the process of some of my favorite writers. Joss Whedon will challenge himself to do something horrible if only because he doesn't want to do it. Resulting in the death (and probable resurrection) of some of my favorite characters.

It is a common issue and you can see the conflict and strategies of overcoming that conflict in so many places.

Heinlein wrote about "fictons" and how writing something makes it real somewhere and creates a new universe, so one of his writer characters wouldn't do any more things that had to do with torture and horror.

When you write "real" characters, and especially real and beloved to the author, they're family. Why would you torture and kill your family?

...because it makes a good story, that's why.

"It's not a good story unless the hero dies." - Dragon Age II

Sure. My story cant end well because it wouldn't end well IRL, not in those times. And the other thing is, I want readers to contemplate the issues without me dropping my house atop them to kill the witch. Nature and the war nip it neatly in the bud.

 

[jomar]

I'm beginning to think there is a performance art troupe here.

 

[Recidiva]

I'm beginning to think there is a performance art troupe here.

*jazz hands*

 

[jomar]

*jazz hands*

and scene

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm beginning to think there is a performance art troupe here.

Little man so spick and span, where were you when the shit hit the fan?

 

[jomar]

Little man so spick and span, where were you when the shit hit the fan?

Pithy, but this is all sturm und drang.

 

[sr71plt]

I think JBJ has succinctly and poetically pointed to the Internet game of enjoying the fight and waiting until it settles down to wax all self-satisfied moral--often with the hope of revving the fight up again.