Impatience

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Are you impatient? Do you watch and wait for water to boil?

I don't.

I make people crazy with my laid-back, one speed fits all, enthusiasm.

Manana is good enough for me.

I got a green E for one of my alt stories. It took me 5 years to write it. That is, 99.99% of it was finished a week after I put down the first word. The last paragraph is what took the other 4 years and 51 weeks. When it came to me it wasn't clever or novel or exciting but it was perfect for the job.

So a while back I posted a story that was kinda popular, and a few readers asked for a sequel. I jumped on it and came up with nuthin. Till now. Lying in bed this morning the sequel formed in my head, and is OK. Not perfect, not THE PIETA, but its good enough, and can be better. It has potential.

The twin sister of patience is TIMING. What do they say, BETTER IS THE ENEMY OF GOOD? They also say, YOU GOTTA KNOW WHEN TO HOLD EM, KNOW WHEN TO FOLD EM, KNOW WHEN TO WALK AWAY, KNOW WHEN TO RUN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4

 

[SamScribble]

Patience is not common in a person of 20, JBJ; but as you get older ...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Patience is not common in a person of 20, JBJ; but as you get older ...

Sure! Youre right.

On the other hand I was born patient, and it was a huge advantage to me; prolly worth 25 IQ points and 500K dollars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDxLEVJWKv4

Some fine looking bruthas.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm happy that you want it to seem like you've gotten a Green E here for a story, whether or not you have.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm happy that you want it to seem like you've gotten a Green E here for a story, whether or not you have.

I do have a green E for one of my alt stories.

I post the fluff with this account.

 

[sr71plt]

I do have a green E for one of my alt stories.

I post the fluff with this account.

You can certainly say you do--that costs nothing and can't be checked. I'm mostly pleased to see that you value it enough to make the claim.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You can certainly say you do--that costs nothing and can't be checked. I'm mostly pleased to see that you value it enough to make the claim.

We've done this before, you and I. Do I get a prize if you can check it? I didn't think so. Do I get some sort of validation from you if you verify the E? I didn't think so.

Have a good night.

 

[lovecraft68]

I do have a green E for one of my alt stories.

I post the fluff with this account.

I guess you must have hit Laurel's sweet spot then. Personally I prefer the approval of many over one.

 

[lovecraft68]

You can certainly say you do--that costs nothing and can't be checked. I'm mostly pleased to see that you value it enough to make the claim.

Just like you claim to have a pen name that has all Red H's.

Just like you claim to have written "mainstream" books that people actually buy.

So, where can we check that?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I guess you must have hit Laurel's sweet spot then. Personally I prefer the approval of many over one.

I guess I did. The readers aren't crazy about it but Laurel likes it.

 

[Recidiva]

I'm fairly patient as an individual. I won't rush decisions that I have to make, that are important. I will wait for everything to percolate through and clear and form a considered and careful choice where I've considered as many factors as I can. Sometimes my intuition warns me to hold off on a decision even if I can't think of why, then something will happen and I realize that I should have predicted it before it happened, but my intuition is important in this process. It extends the reasoning time in an unreasonable way, but it is always worth taking the extra time if I can.

I can occasionally do the instantaneous choice thing, but it is usually reflective of other considered choices that align.

In my personality I can play around with being impatient for fun and for comedy effect.

In line at a bank? Work on my Zen, listen to music.

I have lots of migraines, that gives me huge chunks of time seemingly infinite that will never end, in which to keep myself company in hell.

A lot of patience does involve resisting another person's sense of timing. It's like not pulling something out of the oven until it's ready even if someone is hungry now.

I see a lot of people attempting to garden in their lives by the metaphorical equivalent of digging up the seeds every night because they can't stand the suspense and have to know NOW. Or digging the heart out of someone else's chest to make sure it's beating. Counterproductive.

“Do you have the patience to wait
Till your mud settles and the water is clear?
Can you remain unmoving
Till the right action arises by itself?”

― Lao Tzu

 

[lovecraft68]

I have lots of migraines, that gives me huge chunks of time seemingly infinite that will never end, in which to keep myself company in hell.

Good description. Mine sit just behind my right eye and when it gets to a point if someone told you stabbing your own eye out would make it feel better and you think about it, you know you're in pain.

 

[Recidiva]

Good description. Mine sit just behind my right eye and when it gets to a point if someone told you stabbing your own eye out would make it feel better and you think about it, you know you're in pain.

Yup, the challenge is to keep my cool until I can't move, and then I'm pretty safe because I'm not going anywhere.

But it's usually about keeping myself entertained and not spinning out into "why me?" and all the stuff that is completely unhelpful during a crisis. Since it worked so well I just stopped asking the question altogether.

I'd challenge myself to count to 100 and start over, and I'd usually lose count and eventually just spend a subjective eternity saying "One...one...one...one..." but it's still better than all the destructive things you can do to yourself in pain or in crisis.

Moving and making any sound makes it worse, so screaming and crying are out. Eventually I just mostly adopted that approach when in pain or in danger, and it's deceptive in appearance but effective as an approach.

My first childbirth was without drugs and the second I decided..yes...epidural. But the catheter slipped out of my back and I was in so much pain but I just kept politely asking them to recheck the levels and they kept upping the dose and I just waited until it was over.

Since I just don't make much of a fuss people usually don't believe me or pay attention. But I also noticed that if I'm dramatic they will also dismiss me so why not just hope someone's going to listen to a quiet voice and not lose my cool.

Migraines suuuuuck. They do.

 

[sr71plt]

We've done this before, you and I. Do I get a prize if you can check it? I didn't think so. Do I get some sort of validation from you if you verify the E? I didn't think so.

Have a good night.

Stella's the one who "did" this concerning you. In the days when you were pontificating without showing anything, you finally felt goaded to post something "of yours." Stella tracked down on the Internet who really wrote it. So, no, there's no reason for me to believe what you don't show me in the way of writing. That episode shows that you want to be seen as a great writer and authority (in repeating what you read from other authors), but you don't really want to actually pay the dues in earning the credit. After being caught with your pants down here on writing issues, why would you expect anyone to take an unsubstantiated claimed credit on writing issues seriously? The plagiarism issue happened long enough ago that few would remember it--and I'm sure you hope no one remembers it. But, guess what?

Others can believe you as they wish--you usually phrase your "I'm a great writer" posts to prompt them to believe you've shown rather than told--and what you've actually shown here after being goaded to back up your claims is, I think, good writing, but nothing to give out awards for. But I don't believe anything you just "tell" rather than "show" because you have the track record of a plagiarizer and wanting to use the "easy" button in establishing yourself as some sort of authority.

I certainly don't expect any validation (although, yes, of course, I'd validate a Green E that was "shown" not just "claimed"). You got validation from me in my own mind when you finally posted work and it wasn't bad. You get a Green E under a name I know you post under and you'll get validation for that as far as I'm concerned. You haven't on Green Es, so I see nothing to validate. Just a needy "easy button" claim slipped into a supposedly different topic so you can establish in the reader's mind that you have a credit that you don't really have.

Just giving other posters a chance to consider that you're spouting bullshit to establish yourself as more than you are in writing here on Literotica. And, again, I'm happy to see that you value the Green E here enough to claim that you have one under an alt. On that basis, for me, it doesn't matter whether or not you do (but I myself don't believe for a minute that you do. I have a pretty good feel for what Laurel likes and awards Green Es for, and you don't write anything like that. It's good for what it is, but I don't believe for a minute that Laurel would consider it outstanding for any reason. I think I'd value it higher than she would)

So, I'll be happy to give you a Purple E.

 

[Recidiva]

Oh. I got a green E. I don't necessarily agree, but there you go. It's subjective and not a barometer of awesomeness. It's nice, but not something to be humble or brash about in a competitive way. It's another review. More feedback. It's valuable to see "hey, somebody liked that" enough to say so. I also had feedback that said "WTF? Why the hell did this get a green E? I don't get it!" and so it's essentially one more thing to bicker over.

It's better than having no rating, and have nobody bicker about it at all, because that's just disappointing, like having a baby that nobody even thinks is ugly or cute, but is invisible.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

"Resisting another person's sense of timing..."

Yeah that strikes a bell with me. When I was involved in production line management the whole thing there is about making things happen on budget and ahead of schedule. And I get the point of that for limited commercial purposes - but personally I am very patient and in fact at one point I could see that world markets, including financial ones were moving away from the 12 month standard accounting period way of achieving value. And pushing on timelines and pulling on budgets doesn't mean anything anymore. I think I saved myself a lot of money several times by kind of 'out-waiting' the urgency-mongers. China is booming/China is dead/real estate is booming/real estate is dead... That kind of thing is only good for epileptics! It isn't good for serious professional investors - you can't open a Napoleon cognac under thirty years of age.

It takes some doing to stop worrying about what other people say or think.

Patience, is going to win out over Ben Bernanke, a grid-locked Washington, and Presidencies string-pulled by a variety of lobbies.

Life is NEVER over; patience is king.

Alcoholics and coffee drinkers (I am one of those latter ones), have addicted desires to get something NOW. There is approximately 150 million saleable litres of bourbon produced in the USA annually. But it ain't real bourbon. It's mostly all a two month turnaround chemical concoction sold to the impatient.

The difference between something steeped in time, and the product of a long development, and time-tested knowledge - and things that are sold to provide instant gratification, are steps on the rungs through the seven heavens.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Stella's the one who "did" this concerning you. In the days when you were pontificating without showing anything, you finally felt goaded to post something "of yours." Stella tracked down on the Internet who really wrote it. So, no, there's no reason for me to believe what you don't show me in the way of writing. That episode shows that you want to be seen as a great writer and authority (in repeating what you read from other authors), but you don't really want to actually pay the dues in earning the credit. After being caught with your pants down here on writing issues, why would you expect anyone to take an unsubstantiated claimed credit on writing issues seriously? The plagiarism issue happened long enough ago that few would remember it--and I'm sure you hope no one remembers it. But, guess what?

Others can believe you as they wish--you usually phrase your "I'm a great writer" posts to prompt them to believe you've shown rather than told--and what you've actually shown here after being goaded to back up your claims is, I think, good writing, but nothing to give out awards for. But I don't believe anything you just "tell" rather than "show" because you have the track record of a plagiarizer and wanting to use the "easy" button in establishing yourself as some sort of authority.

I certainly don't expect any validation (although, yes, of course, I'd validate a Green E that was "shown" not just "claimed"). You got validation from me in my own mind when you finally posted work and it wasn't bad. You get a Green E under a name I know you post under and you'll get validation for that as far as I'm concerned. You haven't on Green Es, so I see nothing to validate. Just a needy "easy button" claim slipped into a supposedly different topic so you can establish in the reader's mind that you have a credit that you don't really have.

Just giving other posters a chance to consider that you're spouting bullshit to establish yourself as more than you are in writing here on Literotica. And, again, I'm happy to see that you value the Green E here enough to claim that you have one under an alt. On that basis, for me, it doesn't matter whether or not you do (but I myself don't believe for a minute that you do. I have a pretty good feel for what Laurel likes and awards Green Es for, and you don't write anything like that. It's good for what it is, but I don't believe for a minute that Laurel would consider it outstanding for any reason. I think I'd value it higher than she would)

So, I'll be happy to give you a Purple E.

hahahaha The parody. Enjoy it.

But I know the truth, and you dont. And the writing is pretty good. Kinda poetic. But I'm not inviting you and your one bombing pals to fuck with it. Have your fun with this account.

 

[sr71plt]

Oh. I got a green E. I don't necessarily agree, but there you go. It's subjective and not a barometer of awesomeness. It's nice, but not something to be humble or brash about in a competitive way. It's another review. More feedback. It's valuable to see "hey, somebody liked that" enough to say so. I also had feedback that said "WTF? Why the hell did this get a green E? I don't get it!" and so it's essentially one more thing to bicker over.

It's better than having no rating, and have nobody bicker about it at all, because that's just disappointing, like having a baby that nobody even thinks is ugly or cute, but is invisible.

You don't necessarily agree about what?

I agree that it's Laurel subjective--and that it's a quirk choice, based larely on happenstance. (For one thing, it's got to catch her attention enough as it goes by to actually look deep into it, not something she has time to do across the board.) But Laurel also is the only one who systematically looks at every single work as it goes through and does so every day. That can't help but give her a quick sense of what is fresh and higher in the quality pile than most of the stories. It's based on her tastes, though, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's her Web site and she's putting in the work of processing it all. There's no reason she shouldn't get the pleasure of what popped out above all the rest in her interest on any given day--or for the author of the piece not to be pleased at the recognition.

Most of those who denigrate the Green E (and there really seem to be very few who care enough to denigrate it) are, I think, competitive, grasping folks who will stop denigrating the Green E the moment they get one.

 

[sr71plt]

But I'm not inviting you and your one bombing pals to fuck with it. Have your fun with this account.

Don't be a yutz, James. You know I don't 1-bomb, not give full due to good writing, or play games with the story file. We both know the truth of that. And, as I said, you were shown to be a plagiarizer once. That shoots it as far as anyone with half a brain giving you the benefit of the doubt on your writing claims. That dog don't bark.

 

[Recidiva]

"Resisting another person's sense of timing..."

Yeah that strikes a bell with me. When I was involved in production line management the whole thing there is about making things happen on budget and ahead of schedule. And I get the point of that for limited commercial purposes - but personally I am very patient and in fact at one point I could see that world markets, including financial ones were moving away from the 12 month standard accounting period way of achieving value. And pushing on timelines and pulling on budgets doesn't mean anything anymore. I think I saved myself a lot of money several times by kind of 'out-waiting' the urgency-mongers. China is booming/China is dead/real estate is booming/real estate is dead... That kind of thing is only good for epileptics! It isn't good for serious professional investors - you can't open a Napoleon cognac under thirty years of age.

It takes some doing to stop worrying about what other people say or think.

Patience, is going to win out over Ben Bernanke, a grid-locked Washington, and Presidencies string-pulled by a variety of lobbies.

Life is NEVER over; patience is king.

Alcoholics and coffee drinkers (I am one of those latter ones), have addicted desires to get something NOW. There is approximately 150 million saleable litres of bourbon produced in the USA annually. But it ain't real bourbon. It's mostly all a two month turnaround chemical concoction sold to the impatient.

The difference between something steeped in time, and the product of a long development, and time-tested knowledge - and things that are sold to provide instant gratification, are steps on the rungs through the seven heavens.

Yes, addiction is the anti-patience. It's your brain telling you NOW when there is really no reason.

Substances don't do that to me much, but I experience it in a silly version when a video game is down and I wanted to play that video game today.

However, that's how my personality can do the playful "Aw shucks! But I was going to storm the castle today!" and find something else to do. My expectations are fluid and easily adaptable.

I'm not perfect, I get frustrated, I get angry, I get irritated, and I will express that frustration, anger and irritation clearly, but I won't act on it if all I want to do is express it and then get on to doing something else.

I won't necessarily hold onto it after being expressed. That's another concept. "Writing in water" Express your emotions as if you were drawing it out in water instead of chiseling it in stone. Let it pass by, it is not inherently real though it may feel that way. Actions are real though. Those can wait until you have picked out the right stone and have a chisel.

 

[lovecraft68]

Oh. I got a green E. I don't necessarily agree, but there you go. It's subjective and not a barometer of awesomeness. It's nice, but not something to be humble or brash about in a competitive way. It's another review. More feedback. It's valuable to see "hey, somebody liked that" enough to say so. I also had feedback that said "WTF? Why the hell did this get a green E? I don't get it!" and so it's essentially one more thing to bicker over.

It's better than having no rating, and have nobody bicker about it at all, because that's just disappointing, like having a baby that nobody even thinks is ugly or cute, but is invisible.

Pilot would disagree, its the one thing he can try to use to make it seem like he's something around here.

Which, well, I suppose he is.

Most here would agree he's something alright.

Now the few tales that are out there that have all three the E the H and the W those are impressive. Pretty much pleased them all with that, the triple crown of lit.

 

[Recidiva]

You don't necessarily agree about what?

I agree that it's Laurel subjective--and that it's a quirk choice, based larely on happenstance. (For one thing, it's got to catch her attention enough as it goes by to actually look deep into it, not something she has time to do across the board.) But Laurel also is the only one who systematically looks at every single work as it goes through and does so every day. That can't help but give her a quick sense of what is fresh and higher in the quality pile than most of the stories. It's based on her tastes, though, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's her Web site and she's putting in the work of processing it all. There's no reason she shouldn't get the pleasure of what popped out above all the rest in her interest on any given day--or for the author of the piece not to be pleased at the recognition.

Most of those who denigrate the Green E (and there really seem to be very few who care enough to denigrate it) are, I think, competitive, grasping folks who will stop denigrating the Green E the moment they get one.

I'm not denigrating it, just giving it what I consider to be the proper context. It doesn't "mean" anything objective. So that's why when I see others (in this case you) mentioning it as a sign of achievement, I think...I'm not particularly achievey and I got one. I don't think I should have gotten one if it's that important. Since I got one, I assume it's a casual assessment based on mood and whim and whether or not it was different than the previous 43 stories that might have been complete drivel.

For all I know I got a Green E because I was the first one that day that didn't describe cup size.

 

[Recidiva]

Pilot would disagree, its the one thing he can try to use to make it seem like he's something around here.

Which, well, I suppose he is.

Most here would agree he's something alright.

Now the few tales that are out there that have all three the E the H and the W those are impressive. Pretty much pleased them all with that, the triple crown of lit.

Who is pilot and what's the W?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Don't be a yutz, James. You know I don't 1-bomb, not give full due to good writing, or play games with the story file. We both know the truth of that. And, as I said, you were shown to be a plagiarizer once. That shoots it as far as anyone with half a brain giving you the benefit of the doubt on your writing claims. That dog don't bark.

Call it what you will but you don't get to set the standards for plagiarism not when the rhyming words are changed and other changes occur. So get over your phony righteousness.

 

[lovecraft68]

Who is pilot and what's the W?

Ha-ha I like that question! He's the dope who clings to his E's.

W is a contest winner. There used to be monthly winners (3 per month based on best score) and themed contests, now its just the themed contests.