I'm out of here

[EmilyMiller]

This may surprise some egotistical creatures, but there are talented writers who actually enjoy collaborating and supporting each other behind the scenes. Unfortunately, the open platform has been overtaken by those who do not share these values.

Can you give me an example of such a talented writer ?

Em

 

[TxRad]

It is not a den of hostility, but many people here resort to unnecessary mockery, especially in the jumping on the bandwagon kind of way. The guy is clearly pissed off and even if he is overreacting and badmouthing Lit's owners, he hasn't insulted anyone of us, so there is no need for our first reaction to be a mockery of his post. He has been here for a while and he has also contributed a lot of stories to the website. We could cut him some slack before we start ridiculing him.

No he has not insulted any of us but as you said, he's been around so he should know there is nothing we can do about the situation. Take it up with Laurel. She is the only one who has a say on his story one way or another.

 

[EmilyMiller]

No he has not insulted any of us but as you said, he's been around so he should know there is nothing we can do about the situation. Take it up with Laurel. She is the only one who has a say on his story one way or another.

Behave like a toddler, get treated like a toddler.

Em

 

[GTO_Racer]

There's your problem right there, chapters. Submit your story as an entirety, so the whole context is given, and you have a better chance of meeting the Lit policy rule, which is clearly stated in the FAQ.

Having a hissy fit and throwing your toys out of the cot is childish and self-defeating, ranting against the site is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Plenty of other writers get their non-con stories published, by following the policy line, so can you. Unless your content is extreme, and doesn't follow Lit policy.

Calm down, try again.

I am aware of all of that. I have had several non-con stories published here. In this case, these two stories were going to be longer with a lot more character development. I was working on situations where the character built up to accepting then actually enjoying their situation. I even explained that in the info to the moderator when I submitted the story. Hell, they published the second chapiter before they rejected the first chapter. They KNEW where I was headed with the story before they rejected it. Maybe I'll resubmit it with a throw-away paragraph at the end saying how she lives what is being done to her. It won't make any sense to the story, but it will satisfy the moderators.

 

[Smuttyandfun]

Just take a few breaths and think it through.

A few years ago, I was very tempted to leave. The site did a change over and messed up all the scores. Nearly all my scores dropped, some by 10 points or more. And of course they never fully recovered, though they'd promised to put everything back the way it was, it never happened.

To say I was discouraged and disappointed, would be a pretty big understatement. As annoyed as I was, I stuck it out, and now I'm glad I did.

Every site has it flaws, and this one's no different. You get more exposure on Lit, though, than almost any other site. Overall, it's well run too, and pretty easy to navigate.

I can see you have followers who enjoy what you write, because you've got talent. And I think it would be a shame if you gave up because of one decision over a single series.

Obviously the moderators have their reasons, that we may not always understand.

I wouldn't be too hasty though, because in a few months once you've cooled down, you may regret it.

 

[Voboy]

This may surprise some egotistical creatures, but there are talented writers who actually enjoy collaborating and supporting each other behind the scenes. Unfortunately, the open platform has been overtaken by those who do not share these values.

I must confess, seeing them holding hands in a circle makes me laugh.

This doesn't answer the question @onehitwanda asked. Indeed, it dodges it.

If "the open platform has been overtaken by those who do not share" whatever "values" you seek, and yet you persist in posting on that very open platform... then, in the words of a wiser poster than I, "what are you doing here, love?"

I mean, don't get me wrong: your posts amuse me, and it's always nice to see a user go flouncing indignantly off, only to crawl back once people chime in about how silly they're being.

 

[lovecraft68]

This particular story is encompassing a long period of time. Also, as I have stated, the main character actually fanaticized about this particular situation. I had thought that I had emphasized that as well. The reason that I didn't write through the fifth chapter was that I don't like writing stories that are 50 pages long. Again, this was planned as a long story that I would write as I had time. I am not a professional writer, so I write when I have the time.

Stop defending yourself to these hypocrites. Take a few minutes to peruse this thread which discusses a story where a woman is brutally gang raped then dies from the damage done to her during it. Not only was it passed through, but it was reported, removed briefly, and reposted

As is.

The same people who have and will come here to tell you to stop crying, we have rules, are in this thread saying 'well the rule is loose, and people have the right to write this and kissing site ass, like they are now because your much tamer story was rejected. Note this thread was closed because I'm sure the Mod realized this was not a good look at all for the site.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/mechanism-for-removing-reported-stories.1583930/

Non con/torture/abuse for titillation stories are also being defended in this thread(some great rapesplaining here)

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...lways-will-avoid.1587335/page-6#post-96904916

This one

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...ynist-wasteland.1585157/page-15#post-96899817

This one

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-competition-for-“most-extreme-violence”-heats-up.1583102/

So not only do you have every right to be pissed, but you can now feel free to ignore all the detractors here because tomorrow when someone complains there's a rape story on here that shouldn't be, these same people will tell that person they're wrong and its fine.

This is no longer a forum, its a high school clique of mean kids and mob mentality.

Looks like you've done very well here, you can do just as well somewhere else if you so choose.

I've waited two months for this inevitable opportunity to throw your own crap back in your faces.

I'll see my way out.

 

[GTO_Racer]

With that expansive of a following I wouldn't say it's necessarily worth it to just leave the site all together because a few particularly dark stories didn't make the cut. If you don't want to tone down, find a different place to publish the story and direct your interested followers to it accordingly? But I agree with electricblue66, leaving all together seems extreme...

I really don't want to leave, but it seems that the moderators here on the non-con area simply don't understand the genre. Yes, I understand aa stand-alone story where a woman is brutalized and has absolutely no enjoyment out of it getting rejected. That is not the case here. One, the main character does have several orgasms. Two, this was actually a fantasy that she had. Three, I explained to the moderator in my submission that she would come to enjoy what was happening. And four, THEY PUBLISHED THE SECOND CHAPTER!!!

 

[Voboy]

To everyone else, I'm done here(forum, not taking my stories down etc...just here), planned on being done since my last post in the first thread I linked, but I made a deal with myself I would ghost here and there long enough for this inevitable opportunity to throw your own crap back in your faces.

LOL!

This thread delivers like few others. Well done, OP!

 

[Euphony]

This may surprise some egotistical creatures, but there are talented writers who actually enjoy collaborating and supporting each other behind the scenes. Unfortunately, the open platform has been overtaken by those who do not share these values.

Meeting fellow like minded creatives at a public park.

Admonishing other creatives for how they chose to use the same public park.

 

[John_Vandermeer]

Slightly of topic, but does NC/R typically get more scrutiny than other categories? Closer read by Laurel? Longer time to publishing?

 

[Voboy]

Slightly of topic, but does NC/R typically get more scrutiny than other categories? Closer read by Laurel? Longer time to publishing?

Not from what I've seen.

My sample is quite small, however.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

No he has not insulted any of us but as you said, he's been around so he should know there is nothing we can do about the situation. Take it up with Laurel. She is the only one who has a say on his story one way or another.

You are right, of course, but I assume he was pissed off and he wanted to show his frustration in some way. Hell, there were times when I wasn't far from such an outburst, although I wouldn't use the language he did. The OP should just accept that mods don't do things based on good faith and write all those 5 chapters and then post them together, with maybe a day or two delay. It is the only reasonable thing he can do.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I'm done here.

It's not an airport, you don't need to announce your departure.

It's obvious that the 'Moderators' don't bother really reading stories or even take into account the author's intent.

I'm in the process of writing a couple of multi-part stories in the non-consent category. I have had a couple of stories that I have submitted in this category rejected because the 'moderator' seems to think that the victim should love everything that happens to them. Seriously? Do these idiots even know what the term 'Non-consent' even means?

Non-consent is having sex with somebody who didn't agree to it. If they come to enjoy it, as that part of the content guidelines requires, it's still NC. If they eventually agree to continuing it, the sex that happens past that point is consensual, and the sex that happened before they agreed is still non-consensual. It doesn't retroactively become consensual.

I'm not a fan of the "victim must enjoy it" rule (FWIW I believe it was well intentioned, but not the best solution to the problem it was trying to solve.) But it is right there in the guidelines, and if you're going to complain about mods not reading your stories presumably you did your own reading before posting and were aware of that guideline.

I have another story where I already submitted two chapters and am halfway through the third chapter. It won't be until the fourth or fifth chapter before she accepts and actually enjoys her slavery. Based upon the stupidity that I have seen here, it will never get that far. I will be pulling those submissions before the expected rejection.

Putting this another way, you submitted a story which in its current state doesn't follow the rules, and you want the mod to approve it on the strength of later chapters - not yet written - which you believe will bring it in line with the rules.

Why would anybody expect a mod to go along with that? Authors leave stories unfinished all the time, for all sorts of reasons from "got bored with it" to "died". If Laurel lets a story through in a state that doesn't follow the guidelines, she's taking the risk that the later chapters, that were supposed to bring it in line with the rules, will never arrive.

Even if you were to finish writing the story and submit all the chapters at once (but as separate pieces), that creates a bunch of problems:

Chapter 1: character gets raped and hates it (breaks story submission rules)
Chapter 2: as above
Chapter 3: as above
Chapter 4: character learns to like it (brings story into compliance with rules)

What happens if Laurel approves that, all four chapters go up, and then the author deletes Chapter 4 or edits it in a way that removes the "learns to like it" element?

Requiring each chapter to be rules-compliant in itself without reliance on some other chapter seems like the only practical way to handle it, and as others here have already pointed out, you do have the option of submitting the whole thing as a single piece.

It is really sad. I have read a lot of really good stories on this site, and they have encouraged me to begin my writing. I know that I am not one of the best writers, but several of my stories have gotten some pretty good reviews and decent scores. It's too bad that the moderators here want every single chapter of a story to end with everyone happy and living happily ever after, even though that doesn't take place until several chapters later. Maybe the assholes that own this site have never read a real book. They don't now that the end of the book isn't in every single chapter. You need to read the entire book to know what happens at the end.

If you go to a "real book" publisher and ask them to publish Chapters 1 and 2 of a book that you haven't finished writing yet, they will laugh in your face.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Been here for about 10-years. How long does it usually take for yu to get to know someone?

You may well have been around under some other name before then, but how would we know?

 

[SeraphNocturne]

Slightly of topic, but does NC/R typically get more scrutiny than other categories? Closer read by Laurel? Longer time to publishing?

Not in my experience. I've an entire series in the category that moved through in perfectly reasonable time frames.

 

[djrip]

Stop defending yourself to these hypocrites. Take a few minutes to peruse this thread which discusses a story where a woman is brutally gang raped then dies from the damage done to her during it. Not only was it passed through, but it was reported, removed briefly, and reposted

As is.

The same people who have and will come here to tell you to stop crying, we have rules, are in this thread saying 'well the rule is loose, and people have the right to write this and kissing site ass, like they are now because your much tamer story was rejected. Note this thread was closed because I'm sure the Mod realized this was not a good look at all for the site.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/mechanism-for-removing-reported-stories.1583930/

Non con/torture/abuse for titillation stories are also being defended in this thread(some great rapesplaining here)

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...lways-will-avoid.1587335/page-6#post-96904916

This one

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...ynist-wasteland.1585157/page-15#post-96899817

This one

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-competition-for-“most-extreme-violence”-heats-up.1583102/

So not only do you have every right to be pissed, but you can now feel free to ignore all the detractors here because tomorrow when someone complains there's a rape story on here that shouldn't be, these same people will tell that person they're wrong and its fine.

This is no longer a forum, its a high school clique of mean kids and mob mentality.

Looks like you've done very well here, you can do just as well somewhere else if you so choose.

I've waited two months for this inevitable opportunity to throw your own crap back in your faces.

I'll see my way out.

Where is the hypocrisy? Gto can contact laurel and explain context as well as BB. The solution is the same in both situations - contact laurel, don't rant on the forum.

 

[Voboy]

It is not a den of hostility, but many people here resort to unnecessary mockery, especially in the jumping on the bandwagon kind of way.

Honestly? People who post on the internet hoping for saccharine responses, who then become offended when folks don't answer as they might wish, get little sympathy from me.

I'll never really understand threads like this, be it on Lit or on any of the other subject-specific fora I post in. Nobody held a gun to the OP's head and forced him to start this. He came in sua sponte and decided to air his dirty laundry in a public forum.

If the response was not to his liking, that's not the responders' fault. They're just being honest and giving feedback, which they probably assumed the OP wanted. Because, if he didn't, then why post this?

 

[djrip]

I really don't want to leave, but it seems that the moderators here on the non-con area simply don't understand the genre. Yes, I understand aa stand-alone story where a woman is brutalized and has absolutely no enjoyment out of it getting rejected. That is not the case here. One, the main character does have several orgasms. Two, this was actually a fantasy that she had. Three, I explained to the moderator in my submission that she would come to enjoy what was happening. And four, THEY PUBLISHED THE SECOND CHAPTER!!!

I think it would help for you to know there are not mods, there are not non-con area mods, there is laurel. One decider, for all stories, all categories. Also, rejections are not final, they are step 1. Step 2 is you contact laurel and explain why you disagree with the rejection. Both rejections I heard about on this forum were reversed after step 2. Finally, you say your story was up and then got taken down. Sounds like one or more users reported it. Takedown may have been automated. Contact laurel. By resubmitting the story and adding author notes, or through PM here.

 

[SimonDoom]

I've waited two months for this inevitable opportunity to throw your own crap back in your faces.

I'll see my way out.

I think it's more of a case of, to paraphrase the Beatles, the toxicity you see in others is equal to the toxicity you spew yourself.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Stop defending yourself to these hypocrites. Take a few minutes to peruse this thread which discusses a story where a woman is brutally gang raped then dies from the damage done to her during it. Not only was it passed through, but it was reported, removed briefly, and reposted

As is.

The same people who have and will come here to tell you to stop crying, we have rules, are in this thread saying 'well the rule is loose, and people have the right to write this and kissing site ass, like they are now because your much tamer story was rejected. Note this thread was closed because I'm sure the Mod realized this was not a good look at all for the site.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/mechanism-for-removing-reported-stories.1583930/

Non con/torture/abuse for titillation stories are also being defended in this thread(some great rapesplaining here)

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...lways-will-avoid.1587335/page-6#post-96904916

This one

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...ynist-wasteland.1585157/page-15#post-96899817

This one

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-competition-for-“most-extreme-violence”-heats-up.1583102/

So not only do you have every right to be pissed, but you can now feel free to ignore all the detractors here because tomorrow when someone complains there's a rape story on here that shouldn't be, these same people will tell that person they're wrong and its fine.

This is no longer a forum, its a high school clique of mean kids and mob mentality.

Looks like you've done very well here, you can do just as well somewhere else if you so choose.

I've waited two months for this inevitable opportunity to throw your own crap back in your faces.

I'll see my way out.

Well, I am rarely, if ever, representing a majority on AH, but you shouldn't just leave because you (strongly) disagree with that same majority. Lit needs different voices, and even if you are overzealous and often too aggressive with your opinion, you are missed here. I have pointed out a few times that we needlessly argue among each other here about things that are really not up to us, but up to the website. There is a place for every opinion here, no matter where the majority stands.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Why not? The forum is meant to serve a broader purpose than just being a support group for rejected nerds.

That merits a ROTFLMAO - my Dad told me what that meant. Have wanted to use it for a while. An elegant weapon for a more civilised time.

Em

 

[Voboy]

Well, I am rarely, if ever, representing a majority on AH, but you shouldn't just leave because you (strongly) disagree with that same majority. Lit needs different voices, and even if you are overzealous and often too aggressive with your opinion, you are missed here. I have pointed out a few times that we needlessly argue among each other here about things that are really not up to us, but up to the website. There is a place for every opinion here, no matter where the majority stands.

It's okay. He's not leaving.

He never really does.

 

[GTO_Racer]

"But muh artistic license."

LOL. I love your replies. Sorry, missed that typo.

Them's the rules of the house. Don't vibe? Find another house of ill repute. There are loads.

Yes, they are allowed to have their rues. Unfortunately, i have found their rules to be quite subjective. I've had a few stories rejected for grammar issues, then seen other stories published that border on unreadable because of the same issues.

Seriously? Do these idiots not even know what a PRIVATE website operating on it's own moral standards is?

This horse has been beating beyond death and into pulp. Blame the authors who came before you. They wrote/write horrific, sexually gratifying snuff film equivalents then tack on some non-sense about how she has PROFOUND agency and autonomy and isn't suffering essentially rape (because the authors rarely show the delicate pre-hand negotiation REAL non-con players MUST navigate. Why? Because that would give the rape gratification game away now wouldn't it?

Yes, I understand. I have actually read some of those stories long ago. A look through my non-con stories shows that I don't write anything like that. Theb woman originally doesn't want what happens but she does fantasize about it and eventually is a willing participant

You're right. They tried to work with you to get what *could* go up up in the hopes it would spur some reconfiguring and compromise on your end to see your tale published in full.

As I said, in the first chapter, it is obvious that she fantasized about this. I also told them in the submission that she would accept and like it. They evenpublished the second chapter.

Shouldn't have given you the inch.

While my guitar gently weeps...

Perhaps you have grown past the boundaries of this particular site and your full artistic expression will only be realized elsewhere.

Fealty to the honesty of expressing your art not the adulation and view numbers.

(a huge swath of the dedicated authors here have wildly inappropriate for lit (or even light of day!) content in their portfolios. Understandable. Writing is how we work our shit out. Why must everything need public display, hmm?)

Reviews and scores are imperfect metrics at best. Those into the fringe topics Lit doesn't want to shine a beacon on will FLOCK to your shit, upvote, like, and comment the hell out of it because it slipped through and they get off on that.

Actually, I almost never read the comments on my stories. I never even look at the scores. I write because I want to. I really don't care hat anyone thinks about my stories. I really don't even know why I put that in my post except that it seamed like a decent score.

The most technical proficient writer here doesn't have the intrinsic right to post whatever *they* deem appropriate. This is a private club. Membership is revocable. Jackets are often required.

"They shut MY idea of the 'not so happily ever after' out so clearly they shut EVERY 'not so happily ever after' out."

Seriously, do you even read across other authors stories here or do you prefer to silo?

Actually, I do read a lot of other author's stories. Soul, Hardaysnight, blackrandi, Saddletramp, Justplainbob, Ohio, and a whole lot of others as well.

*Comes into a private home and opines on the rules of the house painting everyone assholes*

The tradgedy of your absence will ring through the eons. I may write a limerick as a coping mechanism.

Seriously, i am aware that very few people wilk actually care. This is just for my own ego. I accept that.

If it were on the line but acceptable, there is *ALWAYS* a negotiation to be made. Submit in whole. Reference the trouble spots (to show you have nothing to hide and want to work with the site to get your story published) and give them your thoughts on why you feel your concept doesn't run afoul of the content filter.

I thought about that, but this is a long story, and I have no idea how long it would take ton get to that point. I don't write one story at a time. I have several going on at once and write whatever comes into my warper brain at that time.

Or take your silly ball and go home. That'll show 'em.

Numbers don't mean what you think they mean. Your ride or dies may grouse some but an outpouring of outrage wouldn't happen for even the best of us.

It's the internet. They are sex stories. We are far more fungible than we'd like to believe.

You should feel a huge sense of relief from releasing yourself from a working relationship with those who clearly aren't able to help with your artistic visions.

Today should feel like the start of a grand unburdening leading towards being your true artistic self.


I legitimately wish you find your artistic home out there and artistic fulfilment and success.

I like your words of wisdom.

 

[SeraphNocturne]

I really don't want to leave, but it seems that the moderators here on the non-con area simply don't understand the genre. Yes, I understand aa stand-alone story where a woman is brutalized and has absolutely no enjoyment out of it getting rejected. That is not the case here. One, the main character does have several orgasms. Two, this was actually a fantasy that she had. Three, I explained to the moderator in my submission that she would come to enjoy what was happening. And four, THEY PUBLISHED THE SECOND CHAPTER!!!

There aren't 'moderators', not when it comes to publications. There's one site owner vetting hundreds, likely thousands of submissions a day, and she is very specific when it comes to categories like NC/R... I won't pretend that I haven't seen some incredibly questionable extremely fucked up things that are without a doubt full on snuff published on the site, though. So really, if you want to plead your case, send Laurel a private message herself explaining your situation... or do as many of the authors here suggested and group your content together enough that it is clear that it adheres to her guidelines. If the second part made it through, try to combine the first chapter with it and resubmit?

Laurel doesn't have time to read through every story to the fine details, she skims in most cases and makes her decisions based on that. But likewise, I stand by my earlier thoughts... don't throw away your following because of a few restrictions, and if you can't pass your story through publication as is, perhaps even tone down the content. I know, it's not ideal for 'creative freedom', but as users on a private website with guidelines we can only adhere to the site owners wishes if we wish to publish on her platform.