I'm a racist!

[zarngash]

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What too soon for humor?

In all seriousness, good luck in getting through this...

 

[DVS]

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What too soon for humor?

In all seriousness, good luck in getting through this...

No, I got a good laugh from it.
I hope I receive my invitation package soon. I see a lawyer on Wednesday.

 

[DVS]

Here's one for your DVS.

Everyone's a little bit racist Its some satire.

I fucking hate political correctness... and it is just a way to limit free speech...

I lked this one, too. Now, if I can just find a way to get these seen in court.

 

[DVS]

First, I'm really sorry this happened to you. It's a shit situation, and, wow, I'd be hard pressed to hold back the Fist of Doom in your situation.

Second, in regards to talking to the client, did you sign any Non-Compete or Non-Disclosure Agreements when you took the job? While I don't work security these days, I did years ago, and I have something of a similar arrangement where my company is contracted to provide services to third-parties. In my case, I've got all sorts of Non-Compete Clauses, Non-Disclosure Agreements and the like. I'm surprised they didn't want them signed in blood. If a similar situation occurred, I would get nailed to the wall civilly should I try to talk to a client about business practices. That would violate both NCC's and NDA's.

Even if you did not sign anything like that, you can still get sued for that sort of thing in that you willfully damaged their business with "unsupported allegations", and all sorts of other legal rigamarole.

So be very careful before you make that phone call.

I didn't sign anything that limits where I work after this company. In fact the HR people said I could transfer my commission card to another security company, because it still has some time left on it. They're being awfully nice, aren't they?

I've got a good communication with the client. I've told him some things in the past. I know he would understand that I couldn't tell him all that I knew and still keep my job, no matter what sort of laws are in place. I'd be telling him things that my former boss would know for sure came from me. Because we were subcontracted, all my boss would have to do is get me moved to a shitty post and wait for me to quit. The client knows this, too.

I know he would appreciate knowing what was going on in his bank, and he would then know how much information is kept from him about security fuck ups. That was always the big thing...don't let the client know, so we all keep our jobs. That was the only non-disclosure worry. But, now that I'm a former emloyee, they can't hold that over my head.

And trust me, this wasn't the only post I worked at that fucked up. I've never worked at a more unorganized, "cover the company's ass and fuck the employee over" kind of job in my life. I'm not sure if the corporate office knows about some shit, although they were behind a lot of it. God, have I got stories I could tell if only I had documentation. This racist thing is just the icing, and it's beginning to taste pretty sweet.

And, although the client could see any cameras he wanted (even from home), unless he suspected something was going on, or he happened to look at a saved video for another reason and saw someone sleeping or reading the paper, etc. I don't think he has the time to sit and browse the videos.

His job is investigating internal theft by employees, bank fraud that might happen in one of the many branches, someone cashing forged checks and taking statements from employees after bank robberies, just to mention a few. This is not a small bank. He already has a full plate.

But, I'm going to fill the lawyer in on the emails involving the client's name, getting the I.P. address to see if they were really sent by one of my employees, and other things the company has brushed under the carpet. I'll also talk to him about my talking to the client. He might also want to talk to the client.

 

[neci]

No, I got a good laugh from it.
I hope I receive my invitation package soon. I see a lawyer on Wednesday.

i'm glad you are going to a lawyer. i hope they can help you out.

 

[DVS]

Like I said a few posts back, I have an appointment with this lawyer for tomorrow afternoon. And I've also said we went to high school together, but because he was in my sister's class (and had the hots for her) they were better friends.

He didn't call me back, when I left a message on his home phone, but he had his secretary call and make me an appointment. I did think it was a little strange that he did it that way, but it seemed more strange to my sister.

I didn't know until this morning that she called his home and left a message after I did as well as called both of his offices, trying to track him down when he didn't call me back. Of course it was Valentines day and he's married and rich, so they surely went out of town.

She told me this morning that he called her back to make sure that she knew I had an appointment set up with him. I don't know what she said to him on the phone messages, but it must have gotten his attention. LOL.

He also told her that he didn't like to do the phone thing, because he wanted to see people's eyes, when they tell their story. I can understand that. He was in the same class as my sister and she's almost 60. He's very close to 60, if not already there, so he's a seasoned attorney. I can't wait until tomorrow's meeting. I hope he gives me some good news. I could use some.

EDITED TO ADD:
Just FYI, he's done legal things for us in the past. When my mother died, he helped with legal paperwork that needed to be done and when my father had his strokes, he help us setup a durable power of attorney.

The only thing I don't like is he's in with another attorney I also went to high school with. I don't like that guy. He was always one of those who picked on underclassmen at school, for no other reason than they were underclassmen. And he picked on me more than he did others. Well, I was a 98 pound weakling back then. That could have been one reason. But that's so non-PC of him!

 

[sb2009]

My husband had an EEO complaint filed against him in the Army. He was the EEO officer so it had to go higher, and he was kinda freaked. It turned out to be a HUGE BIG misunderstanding. Turns out he was relaying orders from above and the person who made the complaint thought they were his orders, and felt she was being targeted. The big lesson everyone learned was that a simple conversation could have resolved the issue. He actually said his feelings were kind of hurt, he had worked with this soldier for a long time and that she didn't feel confident enough in his leadership to ask to talk to him about it really bothered him. It also effected morale in the gorup because they were all wondering if there was something wierd going on, etc...

These things really effect a lot more than just the person making the complaint, it can really upset a whole unit.

I made a sexual harrassment complaint before becuase I was so fucking tired of my boss telling my boobs were too big to be a soldier, but hey, he had it coming after like the 20th time I told him to please stop. Nothing came of it. Oh well. The Army sucks.

 

[MasterPhoenix]

I had a situation where I could have gone up the ladder on a boss.

I had made a comment to him that certain religious artifacts there made me a bit uneasy, specifying that it was about the Buddhas, and that I found it a bit disrespectful. He made a comment to the effect that some people see Nascar as a religion....

I am a practicing Buddhist, and I could have fucked with his world. Instead, I took him aside and explained that I am a practicing Buddhist and that his comment was disrespectful. He apologized, we shook on it, and moved on with life.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Missouri is an employment at will state. T

This is where unions come in.

 

[intothewoods]

But how can it be unsupported if the client can pull up his own video and see the contracted workers not doing their jobs?

All DVS would be doing is suggesting the client take a look at some of the footage.

Just because they might not be successful doesn't mean they won't sue. Do not say anything about this place or your ex-colleagues until you talk to the lawyer.

 

[DVS]

This is where unions come in.

Yes, if this company had a union. There is no union in this company. Employment at will means a company can fire you for any reason and you can quit for any reason...no notice, no severance pay. It's not as cut and dried as that on the employer's side, but that's what it means.

Kansas is an employment at will state, too. It's also a right to work state which means you can't be forced to join a union to work at a place where a union exists. And you get the same benefits as the other employees that join the union. Consequently, there are not many unions in Kansas.

Years ago, I started a job in Missouri and was required to join Teamsters. In a few years, the company moved to Kansas, so they could get rid of the union. Once in Kansas, they tried to convince employees that they would still get the union pay, but not be forced to pay the dues which borders on illegal activity.

Present employees stayed with the union because we knew the company was shady. But, any new employees didn't join the union and so in time the union decided employees as a whole didn't want the union. They left, and didn't give us withdrawl cards.

Although we stuck with the union, the union shafted us as if we all didn't want it there. That meant if we ever wanted a union job with Teamsters again, we'd have to pay another initiation fee to join.

There are some unions in Missouri, and you must join the union if you want to work at a place where the union exists. But, they have your back more, if you come into a situation like mine.

It is difficult, because Kansas City and its suburbs straddle a state line. It's no big deal if a company moves across that line for a better location. But to do so just to get rid of the union...the union will suffer initially, but as we found out, the employees suffer ultimately.

Because the employer was shady, he didn't keep his word to pay us as if the union was still there for long. Fancy that. Nothing was in writing so...oh well.

This company that says I'm racist is in Missouri. Too bad it didn't have a union. I could be better off right now.

 

[DVS]

Just because they might not be successful doesn't mean they won't sue. Do not say anything about this place or your ex-colleagues until you talk to the lawyer.

I've already said I don't think there would be a problem talking to this client because some of the situations really can jeopardize the bank's security.

Sure, some of the things I'd tell him are just guards not doing their jobs. If that's all I had to tell him, I don't think I'd waste my time and it can also be seen as petty. Even though I'm sure there wouldn't be a problem, I'm going to talk to the lawyer about it, first.

 

[celticsunspiral]

I am sorry this happened to you DVS and I hope things go well for you tomorrow at the lawyers. I am sure you have a case. It is so horrible when people use the race card to get their way because all it does is hurt themselves and others in the long run.

 

[DVS]

Bad news with the lawyer, today. Actually, I talked to two. They said because I'm a white/Caucasian Anglo Saxon male, I'm not a member of any protected group. So, I can be fired without cause or even the way I was fired and get no help.

He said if I were say...Mexican, I'd have a case. Or even if I was a woman, I'd have a case. But because I'm a member of the least protected group on earth, the white male, I have no case against the company.

He did say I had a case against the people who said those things about me, because they lied and that directly cost me my job. He said I could sue the primary culprit that went to the EEOC for $100,000.00 and win, but good luck collecting anything, because none of them would have that much money.

He said I'd spend more time and money trying to collect and end up paying lawyer fees besides. It would be like losing in the long run, only getting the satisfaction of winning the case.

So, that's where I stand. Nothing much has changed.

 

[FurryFury]

That's terrible. I'm so sorry.

*HUGS and HUGS*

 

[rida]

Sorry to hear about the result.

If it is a question that you are not a minority ... well, how was the demographic of your working place? could you claim minority status at your work place?
Ok, I'm stretching it and joking but I think that when it gets to the point that the protected people can abuse the protection ... something has gone wrong along the line.

Also, did the lawyer gave you any pointer on how to deal with talking with the ex-client without getting in troubles?

hugs!

 

[DVS]

Sorry to hear about the result.

If it is a question that you are not a minority ... well, how was the demographic of your working place? could you claim minority status at your work place?
Ok, I'm stretching it and joking but I think that when it gets to the point that the protected people can abuse the protection ... something has gone wrong along the line.

Also, did the lawyer gave you any pointer on how to deal with talking with the ex-client without getting in troubles?

hugs!

I agree completely that it seems some minorites know the system so well that they can use it to their advantage. That's exactly what happened to me. Even the lawyer said it was so. He also said that HR did what they were required to do, but I don't see it as going far enough. Of course, their bottom line was to the company, not to me. Callus as it might seem, they saw the easier path to fire me than to deal with the minority complaint and the EEOC.

For what it's worth, my shift was the only shift that had African Americans. There were three until just about 6 months ago when a female quit, and when I was fired, there were two males. All others on my shift were white males.

There are no other African Americans on the other shifts, but there are white females (considered minorities by the department of labor). There are 2 on the second shift and 3 on the first. As far as I know, there were no personnel problems on either of these shifts. But what do I know? I wasn't aware I was a racist, either.

As for the client, the lawyer was a bit arrogant. He personally knows the CEO of the bank and his family (no, I'm not going to mention his name OR the bank's CEO either...the family owns not just one but two large banks in the midwest) so he said the client wouldn't be interested in what I had to say about my previous job, or about the emails that had his name mentioned.

Now, I'm not so sure the lawyer knew much about the client in question, nor did he really understand the nature of my position there. He just said the client has his own job to deal with and wouldn't be interested in what I had to say. I understand what he meant, but don't totally agree.

I'm still planning on contacting the client, at least by phone to see if he wants to hear what I have to say. If he doesn't want to hear my views or do anything about the emails, I'm left to wonder on my own as to who that person was that sent them.

I also don't want to be seen as petty by anyone, and vindictive in my own little pursuit for revenge. Even though the person who contacted the EEOC had to be out to get me, I think he will suffer his own demise soon enough without my help. I will let that take care of itself.

Also, I just want to leave the client with my version of what happened, and what he might do to keep better tabs on the security company he hires. Incidentally, the lawyer suggested I ask the client for a job, as the guy who oversees the security company, because I know what goes on, from being on the inside. I laughed, as if it were a joke, but he said he was serious. He said "who better to watch them than a former employee?"

So, I'm in the process of looking for a job. That's a labor intensive task, to say the least. I was told on last Friday that I was fired...Monday was a holiday so I couldn't apply for unemployment. Tuesday, I got on the Kansas web site and tried to apply, but the system wasn't cooperating. It kept kicking me out at a certain point in the application.

I drove 120 miles round trip to meet the lawyer on Wednesday, so didn't get to the unemployment site that day. You are required to only apply during daytime work hours.

Thursday, after messing with the on line application some more, I got most of the thing finished. At least it said it was finished. It told me I had to speak with a representative before the application would be final. By that time, it was just about 5 PM. The office closes at 5:30 PM. I was on hold for 20 minutes, listening to all of the lovely options I had as an unemployed taxpayer while some terrible music played in the background.

At precisely 5:20 PM, a recorded message came up telling me to leave a message. It didn't tell me who I was leaving the message for. Up to that point, I hadn't even talked to a human being. I left a quick message saying who I was and that I'd call back in the morning, and was promptly disconnected.

I called back this morning, and had to go through the whole routine while on hold again, but after about 15 minutes on hold, I got a HUMAN BEING!! I even said, "wow, a human being". At least he laughed. He started to go over my application with me and he came to the point where I had said I worked in Missouri. He said I should call the Missouri Unemployment people.

Of course, I had no idea I was suppose to do that. It's not where you live, it's where you work. I've always worked in Kansas until this last job so I guess you live and learn. This also tells me why the on line application was getting pissed at me on Tuesday.

I remember it asked me to tell it if I had worked out of the state and I said yes. I guess the programmer that created that software failed to add a little item saying "HEY IDIOT! If you worked in Missouri, you file in Missouri. It would have been nice to know that several days ago.

Anyway, today I got on the Missouri web site and filed with no apparent problems. Talk about some involved questions! And to my knowledge it never asked my income. Of course, I could have misunderstood the questions.

Because all unemployment centers are so busy, everybody is requested to apply on line now. But, without the interaction of a human being to bounce your questions off of, you have to do your best and then hope for the best. I guess I'll find out by return mail, in a few days, if I did OK on the application. All I know is I've wasted a full week with this crap.

God, sometimes I wish I was closer to retirement age!

 

[callinectes2]

Oh, DVS, I just read about this. I am so sorry this happened to you!

 

[DVS]

Well, I'm officially a racist, now. Even the unemployment people seem to be believing what the HR people of my former employer is saying. All of this without even questioning the claims as being valid.

Still, nobody has told me who, how many now what in particular they have as proof that I even said anything, except for the statements of the unknown employee or employees.

I don't get any unemployment money, and so I'm probably going to be claiming bankruptcy, if I don't find a job in the next couple of weeks. My present cash will only last that long before I'm totally out of money.

Right now, I don't know what the situation will be, but it could mean my electricity will be turned off, and if that's so I obviously won't be connecting here.

I need the Internet and a phone to look for work, but if my creditors don't agree, it will be very difficult for me to search and find a job. I don't even have a cell phone, and even if I did, they'd probably shut if off for lack of payment. I don't have an insufficient job, I have no job at all.

The unemployment people were so swamped with other unemployed people, it took them four weeks to decide if I was to be allowed any benefits. I have been out of work now for more than a month and although I've been looking for work, I'm far from alone in that, and so it's an employer's market for sure.

I have a couple jobs that look like I might be in the running, but because I don't know that for fact, I really have no idea what my life will be like in the very near future.

I have never been a racist, and I never thought I'd say this, but when things like this happen to someone, it makes them so much more aware of what color people are and that tends to make them feel and act like a racist, just to cover their own ass.

I am pissed beyond anything I can say, and although I know not all blacks or African Americans are out to play the race card, I know there are some who are. And these individuals know the power they have and are not at all shy in using it, when it fits their needs.

I had no say in what happened to me. No one would answer me when I asked if the claims were true of false. That told me nobody even cared if the claims were false. I was a racist, and that's the end of it.

You should be in my shoes when I apply for jobs, now. I'm suppose to be totally honest when filling out applications, but when it asks why I'm no longer employed, what am I suppose to say? And each time I have to write it down or type it in on line, I just get more and more upset and I know that isn't good for my health.

Well, wish me luck. Unless something comes up very soon, this might be the last time you hear from me in a long, long time. Thanks for being my kinky friends.

 

[graceanne]

Oh, hon. *hugs*

I don't know if this'll help, but I found these:

http://www.adversity.net/legalhelp.htm

http://www.landmarklegal.org/​

http://www.city-data.com/forum/kansas-city/817358-more-discrimination-kansas-city.html

 

[rida]

Sending finding a job vibes your way!~~~~~~~>

we cannot miss you and the rest if your story!

Hugs

 

[Younginlondon]

hey

i take back

 

[FurryFury]

DVS,

I'm so sorry. I hope you get one of those jobs very soon.

*HUGS and HUGS*

FF

 

[ecstaticsub]

That really sucks.

I wish I could do more then send cyber good vibs for finding a new job.

I truly wish you all my best.

 

[shamegirl]

What a shitty situation. Hope the rest of the year treats you a damn sight better.