I'm a bad man.

[Recidiva]

Evil end zone dance ? No.

The thing I get out of it is that the women I am attracted to don't have as much power over me. You women know exactly what I mean.

And its all perfectly legit and nobody suspects anything. Who can accuse me of being bad for kissing and not touching ? Knowing how to kiss and tease levels the playing field. And its not like I don't eventually follow through on my actions.

Yes, it's not your methods, it's specifically the assumptions that led to your methods.

 

[Noor]

a) So you've never talked to a man in a sultry voice, wore something revealing or added a little wiggle to make a man do something for you ? Yeah, right. Should I search your posts ?

Good ahead, search mine.
I don't need to make a man do something for me, actually I don't even need a man.
I may want particular men, but if I want something, I ask.
I dress for comfort and to please myself same with the way I move. I want equals, not power players.

 

[lushlucid]

Good ahead, search mine.
I don't need to make a man do something for me, actually I don't even need a man.
I may want particular men, but if I want something, I ask.
I dress for comfort and to please myself same with the way I move. I want equals, not power players.

Well said.

 

[Noor]

Well said.

thanks!

 

[FurryFury]

Anger

Arrogance

Delusion

False sense of power or control done without consent and/or by being sneaky as revenge against women.

I find these things extremely unattractive.

*shudders*

Since I know my ex is dead, I won't wonder if it's him, but dayum this hits my ick meter.

OTOH, um, enjoy while you can. I predict you will spend your life doing this and remaining emotionally distant, then find yourself alone or you will open up to someone, giving yourself a chance at the finer things in life.

 

[Tzah]

Which is why I can post in earnest and in jest and come away happy.

Again, touting the joys of cooperation.

Um... congratulations? That's good?

 

[EnglishRoseFox]

Ever heard of the double bluff though? I'd allow you to think I was feeling all those little contrived tricks you're using.....such an honest way to start a possible relationship don't you think? (NOT).....and I'd damn well kiss you back and give you your little moan when you wanted it......but I'd always be in control.....unless of course........I didnt want to be!

I think you must be choosing women that you know this will work on....if its true at all of course....after all......this is a erotica site with much of the things discussed and written about....pure beautiful fantasy.

Time to heal yourself me thinks...and be genuine rather than calculated....you will always be seen through by any woman worth her salt.

 

[Recidiva]

Um... congratulations? That's good?

Yes, thank you. That's good!

So far anyway

 

[Luvkitty33]

I love to screw with women by kissing them. I love to get them all worked up on a date and then leave them hanging. It makes me feel powerful and wanted. Most women consider kissing to be harmless, and yet my kisses hook them very hard. I love it. It gives me power over them. The more beautiful the woman, the harder I like to hook her.

Kissing is the ultimate seduction tool. Its so harmless, women don't fear it. When I go on a date with a hot woman I start planning how I will kiss her hours before I do. I eye up her neck and her ears and her lips. I plan it all out.

I make my move towards the end of the date. I get close to her. I look deeply in her eyes. I touch her hair. I smile. Then I kiss her softly, mouth slightly open. I do it slowly. I gently caress her hair as I do it. It shocks the hell out of them.

But I don't stop there. I pull back and look into her eyes, judging her expression. I continue to play with her hair. Then I kiss her again, a bit harder, but still that soft, gentle kiss. Usually I get a stronger response from her.

I pull back and kind of bite my lip and smile/wince at her. She looks up at me in total amazement.

We continue kissing. It gets more passionate. We slip in a little tongue. I caress her hair, my fingers move lower, down her neck. I softly caress the back of her neck and behind her ear.

I know its working when they start to sigh or even moan. On the first date that is my signal to stop. She'll get nervous if I take it further than that. I usually get an email or a comment after the first date about what a great kisser I am. I act all surprised, like nobody has ever told me that before.

The second dates are extremely interesting. She wants to be kissed again. She is waiting for it. I make her wait. I find a moment in the date where she isn't suspecting a kiss and I sneak one in. A soft one, mouth slightly open real passionate. Its really good if I can make her sigh, but usually this one catches her off guard more than anything. And then I make her wait again.

Towards the end of the date I make sure we are close and comfortable, either standing or sitting and I make my move again. I caress her hair and I look deeply in her eyes. And then I kiss her.

I start softly again, slightly open, real tender. Magic kisses I call them. Then we move to what I call play kisses, more urgent, more exploring, playful, a little bit of lip biting. I take lots of breaks. I caress her hair, I touch her face, I look deeply into her eyes. I grin, I smile. Lots of hugs. I hold her hand and caress her arm. Usually by this stage she is sighing.

Then I move into the tiger kisses. Open mouth, more tongue, tongue on lips, quick hard kisses, pull away kisses, teasing kisses. The goal here is to make her moan and make her squirm her hips around. I just keep adding more touching and passion and intensity until she succumbs. I never touch her sexually, just her arms, neck hair. Hug, kiss, touch. Over and over.

At some point she can't take it anymore. There is moaning and writhing of hips and maybe even the odd "Oh fuck". That is when I end the date. "I have to get up early for work. I should be going."

After that, she is mine. She craves those kisses and she is hot to get into bed. She wants to know what else I have.

I know exactly how to play a woman like this. I am a very bad man.

It's really too bad that you use something that you describe in such an erotic and passionate way as a way to try and control women instead of as a way to genuinely have a closer and more connected relationship with them. I don't know what else to add to this because I just find it really sad.

 

[rida]

Damn! Are you a bitch or what!

I do see your point thou. It is a power trip ...I mean, I used to do the same ... to men ... (although never going on to the second date)

But I was young and stupid and insecure and really really afraid of getting close and hurt so I made sure to stay in control ...

Then again I still do it but all the parties involved know it is a game ... they have their cards and I have mine ... we just don't know each others' hands...
And I tell you .... it is much more fun this way!
Expecially because it has nothing to do with the power if control... only with the power of seduction ...

Not trying to pass judgment ... just saying how things were in my case.

 

[wordofvirtue]

OMG be bad with me ...............................

 

[temptresss]

I'm going to go out on a limb here (and risk being eaten alive)...

Before I got to everyone's response to the original post- I found the descriptions of the kiss so alluring, so intense...

I actually got a rush from feeling the 'want' and 'need' that was described...


At the risk of angering you ladies - I find it kind of sad that you can't see the erotisism and delight in a tease like this.... After all - so many men just want to go straight for the grope, the boob grab, the 'come up to my my place'... the mmmmmmmm wanna fuck you....

I find laying this silent trap to be very intensly erotic... wanting to build suspense, to build need until it boils over.... I think he's just coming from an honest place and revealing the truth in his motives. Where most people wouldn't.

- and he's right - - - women do use their feminine wiles all the time... (maybe you isolated few don't) but you are few and farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr between....

that's just my two bits on the matter

don't hate me for taking the other stance (i'm really a nice gal!)

T.

 

[Recidiva]

I'm going to go out on a limb here (and risk being eaten alive)...

Before I got to everyone's response to the original post- I found the descriptions of the kiss so alluring, so intense...

I actually got a rush from feeling the 'want' and 'need' that was described...


At the risk of angering you ladies - I find it kind of sad that you can't see the erotisism and delight in a tease like this.... After all - so many men just want to go straight for the grope, the boob grab, the 'come up to my my place'... the mmmmmmmm wanna fuck you....

I find laying this silent trap to be very intensly erotic... wanting to build suspense, to build need until it boils over.... I think he's just coming from an honest place and revealing the truth in his motives. Where most people wouldn't.

- and he's right - - - women do use their feminie wiles all the time... (maybe you isolated few don't) but you are few and farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr between....

that's just my two bits on the matter

don't hate me for taking the other stance (i'm really a nice gal!)

T.

There's no hate, just discussion of tactics.

To me the difference is that he's assuming all seduction or games is always done as a power play. And not entertainment. It's a bit like going to the theater and shouting "They're all wearing costumes and already know what they're going to say! It's a trick!"

It seems so wise and sharp, while actually being painfully naive.

 

[bobsacamano]

I'm going to go out on a limb here (and risk being eaten alive)...

Before I got to everyone's response to the original post- I found the descriptions of the kiss so alluring, so intense...

I actually got a rush from feeling the 'want' and 'need' that was described...


At the risk of angering you ladies - I find it kind of sad that you can't see the erotisism and delight in a tease like this.... After all - so many men just want to go straight for the grope, the boob grab, the 'come up to my my place'... the mmmmmmmm wanna fuck you....

I find laying this silent trap to be very intensly erotic... wanting to build suspense, to build need until it boils over.... I think he's just coming from an honest place and revealing the truth in his motives. Where most people wouldn't.

- and he's right - - - women do use their feminine wiles all the time... (maybe you isolated few don't) but you are few and farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr between....

that's just my two bits on the matter

don't hate me for taking the other stance (i'm really a nice gal!)

T.

Hey Temptress,
After I grope your ass and squeeze your tits, let's head back to my place. Mmmmm, I wanna fuck you.
Bob

 

[temptresss]

There's no hate, just discussion of tactics.

To me the difference is that he's assuming all seduction or games is always done as a power play. And not entertainment. It's a bit like going to the theater and shouting "They're all wearing costumes and already know what they're going to say! It's a trick!"

It seems so wise and sharp, while actually being painfully naive.

First... I love what you said about the theater... funny.. Yet I don't think that's what he's doing.

He's basically saying ... "See here women, I'm a bad mad, for I ENJOY making you want me, ENJOY making you squirm with need, enjoy causing you to sigh my name, and it's allllll calculated."

I don't think he is profusing to be clever or sharp - he's simply laying his cards on the table in a rather blunt, honest fashion. "I've got a hand full of Aces - and there's nothing you can do about it..."

it is what it is... He's found a way to kiss that drives women wild with lust... leaves them wanting, begging, needing, desiring more....

Is this so sad and terrible? Hmmmm? I wonder... personally - I don't think so.

 

[temptresss]

Hey Temptress,
After I grope your ass and squeeze your tits, let's head back to my place. Mmmmm, I wanna fuck you.
Bob

Case in point...

Bob.....

Thank you for providing such a wonderful, shining example



you nut...

 

[Recidiva]

First... I love what you said about the theater... funny.. Yet I don't think that's what he's doing.

He's basically saying ... "See here women, I'm a bad mad, for I ENJOY making you want me, ENJOY making you squirm with need, enjoy causing you to sigh my name, and it's allllll calculated."

I don't think he is profusing to be clever or sharp - he's simply laying his cards on the table in a rather blunt, honest fashion. "I've got a hand full of Aces - and there's nothing you can do about it..."

it is what it is... He's found a way to kiss that drives women wild with lust... leaves them wanting, begging, needing, desiring more....

Is this so sad and terrible? Hmmmm? I wonder... personally - I don't think so.

Yes, and my definition of "bad" is infinitely worse.

He's honest with us, not honest with other women. He starts out not with trust that they'll both have fun, but with the intent that he's going to have fun and she's going to lose. The assumption is that she's a game player.

It's a hustle. And not a very good one.

It's fine to build people up to suspense...but if your intent is to never let them off the hook, in fact, the hook is the whole point...I don't think it's as enlightened as he thinks it is.

 

[bobsacamano]

First... I love what you said about the theater... funny.. Yet I don't think that's what he's doing.

He's basically saying ... "See here women, I'm a bad mad, for I ENJOY making you want me, ENJOY making you squirm with need, enjoy causing you to sigh my name, and it's allllll calculated."

I don't think he is profusing to be clever or sharp - he's simply laying his cards on the table in a rather blunt, honest fashion. "I've got a hand full of Aces - and there's nothing you can do about it..."

it is what it is... He's found a way to kiss that drives women wild with lust... leaves them wanting, begging, needing, desiring more....

Is this so sad and terrible? Hmmmm? I wonder... personally - I don't think so.

Temptress,
I hope my last post drove youwild with lust and left you wanting, begging, needing, desiring more....

 

[temptresss]

Temptress,
I hope my last post drove youwild with lust and left you wanting, begging, needing, desiring more....

Bob,

Bobby...

*shakes head*

Who let you out of your cage???

 

[temptresss]

Yes, and my definition of "bad" is infinitely worse.

He's honest with us, not honest with other women. He starts out not with trust that they'll both have fun, but with the intent that he's going to have fun and she's going to lose. The assumption is that she's a game player.

It's a hustle. And not a very good one.

It's fine to build people up to suspense...but if your intent is to never let them off the hook, in fact, the hook is the whole point...I don't think it's as enlightened as he thinks it is.

Fair enough - I can see your point...
but... some women... might very much enjoy that hustle. It takes all sorts you know.

Maybe I'm responding to these posts, because as I stated in my earlier post - my initial reaction to his first post.. was *swoon*. That does not make me a naive fool..nor does it make me a doe-eyed victim. Au contraire - I'm rather 'wise' to such tactics. But - none-the-less... mmmmmmm it gives me shivers of delight to imagine being seduced like that. Intent to lose or not.

- a woman would have to be blind, deaf and dumb to not know he was playing some sort of game - and if she chose to play along - she's playing too.... and my guess by his descriptions of their reactions, LOVING EVERY SECOND OF IT...

 

[Recidiva]

Fair enough - I can see your point...
but... some women... might very much enjoy that hustle. It takes all sorts you know.

Maybe I'm responding to these posts, because as I stated in my earlier post - my initial reaction to his first post.. was *swoon*. That does not make me a naive fool..nor does it make me a doe-eyed victim. Au contraire - I'm rather 'wise' to such tactics. But - none-the-less... mmmmmmm it gives me shivers of delight to imagine being seduced like that. Intent to lose or not.

- a woman would have to be blind, deaf and dumb to not know he was playing some sort of game - and if she chose to play along - she's playing too.... and my guess by his descriptions of their reactions, LOVING EVERY SECOND OF IT...

I enjoy the hustle. I enjoy people who play the game very well. Just like I enjoy the theater.

But there's a value placed on something priceless here. And that I resent. It's like someone shoving a $20 at you after sex. That's what it meant to you? Wish I'd known ahead of time...

And knowing ahead of time, who could resist the impulse to drop this guy flat or fuck with him further?

It's just not a good idea if you're heading for a cooperative situation, because anyone cooperative can see this sort of disdain coming, and drop the entire attempt at an relationship.

I don't care how great the kiss is. I really don't. If you're giving that kiss to give pleasure to someone, great. If you're giving that kiss to give pleasure and enjoy power, fine.

If, however, you're giving that kiss as a subtle "fuck you, bitch" - really, not that great.

 

[bobsacamano]

Yes, and my definition of "bad" is infinitely worse.

He's honest with us, not honest with other women. He starts out not with trust that they'll both have fun, but with the intent that he's going to have fun and she's going to lose. The assumption is that she's a game player.

It's a hustle. And not a very good one.

It's fine to build people up to suspense...but if your intent is to never let them off the hook, in fact, the hook is the whole point...I don't think it's as enlightened as he thinks it is.

Methinks you've been hustled. I promise to be insincere with you and all other women. I will have fun toying with you. Although, by having me you will not lose.

But turn the lights off...that planet of the apes hairdo isn't doing me any fovors.

 

[Recidiva]

Methinks you've been hustled. I promise to be insincere with you and all other women. I will have fun toying with you. Although, by having me you will not lose.

*blinks and holds a pool cue from the wrong side*

Really? Will you teach me how to play?

 

[TheJestersAdvocate]

Well here I go...submerging myself in a serious discussion....I sure as shit hope this doesn't come back to bite me on the ass.

Anyways I must say that I am actually on the fence with this one....not swinging either which way but my own.

I'll let the negative side go first.....for it's always good to end things on a good note. I gotta say that the way luv goes on screwing with women is pretty fucked up. Nothing wrong with a kiss, or to use seduction techniques on a date- hell the whole point of a date is to express to the gal/guy you're going out with is that you do like them....in more then a friendly way. (Oh and it's also been reported you're supposed to get to know them or some shit like that.....j/k I know you're supposed to get to know them or some shit like that. ;D) But the way luv goes on about twirling women around his fingers is assinine. Sure women (some...the majority, the minority....not sure which one....how about we take a truthful poll on that huh?) use their wiles to lure men/women into situations they might not do elsewise or to get things they like (ooo shiney!) but that does not make it right to turn the tables on them. Sure let her know that ya like her, but don't try and turn her into a slave with mind control like tactics. If you really like/love (whatever) the woman, she'll fall for you if you be open. All I'm saying is, be careful man, so this doesn't come back to haunt you.

Now for the positive side *cues Angelic music and lights* I have got to say that I admire your resolve. Hell in an age where a blowjob has replaced the goodnight kiss of the "Leave it to Beaver" era....it's nice to read about a simple thing as a kiss ending a date. I'll admit that in the past I would not have been able to do that.....and I may not even today given the ''right'' situation. I gotta agree with Luv's view of teasing.....showing affection yet not taking things too far and leaving the girl interested and wanting more. That's the whole point of attraction, allure....of dating....of any romantic relationship....letting the person you're with wanting more and being there to show your partner that you're still interested in them and vice versa. Hell I gotta say....Luv's kissing technique kinda makes me wish I was a chick....or gay. *smirks* Just kidding folks....but I do got to give him kudos.

My last words on this for the time being....Luv, man....keep the techniques, but open up.....sometimes it's fun to give up the reigns in life....who knows maybe she will too and then who knows what kinda fun you both can have.

 

[TheJestersAdvocate]

Well here I go...submerging myself in a serious discussion....I sure as shit hope this doesn't come back to bite me on the ass.

Anyways I must say that I am actually on the fence with this one....not swinging either which way but my own.

I'll let the negative side go first.....for it's always good to end things on a good note. I gotta say that the way luv goes on screwing with women is pretty fucked up. Nothing wrong with a kiss, or to use seduction techniques on a date- hell the whole point of a date is to express to the gal/guy you're going out with is that you do like them....in more then a friendly way. (Oh and it's also been reported you're supposed to get to know them or some shit like that.....j/k I know you're supposed to get to know them or some shit like that. ;D) But the way luv goes on about twirling women around his fingers is assinine. Sure women (some...the majority, the minority....not sure which one....how about we take a truthful poll on that huh?) use their wiles to lure men/women into situations they might not do elsewise or to get things they like (ooo shiney!) but that does not make it right to turn the tables on them. Sure let her know that ya like her, but don't try and turn her into a slave with mind control like tactics. If you really like/love (whatever) the woman, she'll fall for you if you be open. All I'm saying is, be careful man, so this doesn't come back to haunt you.

Now for the positive side *cues Angelic music and lights* I have got to say that I admire your resolve. Hell in an age where a blowjob has replaced the goodnight kiss of the "Leave it to Beaver" era....it's nice to read about a simple thing as a kiss ending a date. I'll admit that in the past I would not have been able to do that.....and I may not even today given the ''right'' situation. I gotta agree with Luv's view of teasing.....showing affection yet not taking things too far and leaving the girl interested and wanting more. That's the whole point of attraction, allure....of dating....of any romantic relationship....letting the person you're with wanting more and being there to show your partner that you're still interested in them and vice versa. Hell I gotta say....Luv's kissing technique kinda makes me wish I was a chick....or gay. *smirks* Just kidding folks....but I do got to give him kudos.

My last words on this for the time being....Luv, man....keep the techniques, but open up.....sometimes it's fun to give up the reigns in life....who knows maybe she will too and then who knows what kinda fun you both can have.

Oh forgot to add...if I sound like a hypocrit to anyone....well bite me, cause that's my honest opinion and I'm sorry if I can't ''choose a side''.