If They're Not Calling You A Fascist, You're Too Soft

[PaxNurgle]

Which also applies to communism/socialism or any form of totalitarian government. And that's before we get into the definition of exactly what "freedom" encompasses. Without doing a deep dive into definitions what he posted are just empty, meaningless words.

Yes, communism, socialism, and fascism are all forms of totalitarian government. Different ideologies but same result.

With the O.P, Here is a guy who is actually promoting totalitarian government, and promoting taking away people's freedoms- and doing so shamelessly. This goes beyond simply disagreeing with him. This is not how America works. It is not how the Constitution and the founding fathers envisioned that America would work. This is how countries like Nazi Germany and North Korea ended up in such a dark place. When you have the iron fist of government throwing people in jail because of their intimate personal lives, forcing women to bear unwanted children against their will, throwing librarians in jail for having the wrong books available, throwing journalists in jail for daring to tell the truth, and promoting the supremacy of one ethnic group over another, you are taking away people's freedoms- which is what totalitarian states do. Whether the government is communist or right wing/anti communist. And this is what the O.P. is promoting. We need to stand up and fight back against this if we want to have a free, civilized and democratic nation.

 

[YDB95]

It's what Democrats do, only the Democrats use big corporations as well as the government to attack the freedoms of citizens. That is the real Fascist construct...corporations carrying out the totalitarian political policies of the government against the citizenry. As we see happening right now against Republicans and conservative Americans, it will not stand.

So, you're saying the Democrats are using big corporations to do what exactly? To let women make their own decisions about their own bodies? To teach children the truth about racism and the role it's played in our history? To let trans people live their lives just like everyone else? To improve our infrastructure? To help the poor get more self-sufficient? To pay living wages (would that we COULD use big corporations to do that one!)? To enact common-sense gun control that wouldn't take away anyone's hunting rifles or shotguns unless we had reason to believe they were a danger to themselves or others, but would put an end to school shootings?

Explain, please.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Authoritarianism in all forms, whether right-wing or left wing, is horrible as it crushes people free will, liberty, and personal autonomy under the iron fist of government.

Many, but fortunately not all, right wing people will rail all day and night against the evils of Soviet, Chinese or North Korean style communism and how it destroys individual freedoms. They are not wrong, although they are known to wrongfully accuse mainstream left or even centrist government policies of being totalitarian/communist without any evidence of such. However they are stubbornly blind to how thier own desires to use government as a tool to enforce their own lifestyles and ideas on others amounts to the same thing- destroying the free will and personal autonomy of others. Taking away people's freedoms. The O.P has shamelessly admitted this is what he wants government to do. This is against the very idea of a free society.

For example, many radical islamists will proudly insist that Iran and the current regime in Afghanistan are the freest and most liberty-giving regimes on the planet. After all, they are totally free to live their lives as radical islamists with no interference from the government. Most people, however, would (correctly) insist that these countries have the most brutal and authoritarian regimes in the world. Die-hard Marxists will insist that North Korea is the freest country in the world, because they are free to worship the Kim Jong Un regime and live their lives as devout Marxists.

Rightguide, however- it's not as if he doesn't realize how oppressive and authoritarian his white-nationalist strong-man utopia would actually be. It's more like, he simply doesn't care. Which is exactly what makes people like him to be so pathological.

 

[YDB95]

Rightguide, however- it's not as if he doesn't realize how oppressive and authoritarian his white-nationalist strong-man utopia would actually be. It's more like, he simply doesn't care. Which is exactly what makes people like him to be so pathological.

There is also the theory that people like him are just singing harmony for Fox News and Trump because it makes them feel like they're in with the in crowd. They probably know their claims are nonsense, but party loyalty trumps everything (pun intended).

Having said that, Rightguide does strike me as a true believer. Which is kind of frightening, isn't it?

 

[Rightguide]

So, you're saying the Democrats are using big corporations to do what exactly?

Explain, please.

They use them to undermine the Constitutional Bill of Rights of American citizens. Big Tech is working to punish First, Second, and Fourth Amendment rights of people who oppose the totalitarian agenda items of the Democrat Party.

 

[PaxNurgle]

"Undermining the Constitutional Bill of Rights of American citizens?"

No, that is what YOU are doing.

And I'm sure you are well aware this is EXACTLY what you are doing, so let's just drop the bullshit, just for once.

You are the one who is blatantly support fascism, remember? Big Tech is working to PROTECT the rights of citizens who oppose the white nationalist totalitarian agenda people like YOU are promoting.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

only the Democrats use big corporations as well as the government to attack the freedoms of citizens. That is the real Fascist construct...corporations carrying out the totalitarian political policies of the government against the citizenry. As we see happening right now against Republicans and conservative Americans, it will not stand.

To use corporations against citizens' freedoms,
Is it the Democrats' exclusive kingdom?
This statement doth such a claim make,
A partisan view, for argument's sake.

A fascist construct, it doth declare,
With corporations and government in the snare,
Against Republicans and conservatives, they say,
A political game, with much foul play.

But let us not be swayed by such talk,
And weigh the facts with a balanced walk.
For in this world of politics and power,
The truth may hide, like a hidden flower.

Let us not be blinded by party lines,
Or let our judgment be clouded by designs.
But with clear eyes, let us see,
And fight for justice and liberty.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

https://i.redd.it/bmwoozxk3sva1.jpg

 

[Philthy_Phil]

They use them to undermine the Constitutional Bill of Rights of American citizens. Big Tech is working to punish First, Second, and Fourth Amendment rights of people who oppose the totalitarian agenda items of the Democrat Party.

All i see is republicans limiting freedoms and oppressing people, but then again I see actual news and I'm not a boomer idiot.

 

[YDB95]

They use them to undermine the Constitutional Bill of Rights of American citizens. Big Tech is working to punish First, Second, and Fourth Amendment rights of people who oppose the totalitarian agenda items of the Democrat Party.

You ought to try out for Fox News. I understand they have a rather large vacancy at the moment...

 

[Holy_Seduction]

They use them to undermine the Constitutional Bill of Rights of American citizens. Big Tech is working to punish First, Second, and Fourth Amendment rights of people who oppose the totalitarian agenda items of the Democrat Party.

Oh, thou hast spoken words untrue,
Thou lacketh clarity of view,
Misunderstanding roles we know,
Of US social entities in tow.

The Bill of Rights, that sacred oath,
Protects our freedoms, we do both
Respect the Constitution true,
And Bill of Rights, our rights renew.

Thy claim that Big Tech doth conspire
To punish rights of those who aspire
To oppose the Democrats' decree,
Is falsely spoken, friend, to thee.

For Facebook and Twitter both remove
Content that breaks their rules, they prove
Incitement to violence, and such,
But censorship they do not clutch.

Big Tech and Democrats do not seek
To take away our guns, nor speak
Of confiscation, but propose
Regulations for law-abiding, those.

Thy claim of "totalitarian" scheme,
Is baseless, friend, a fleeting dream,
With no evidence, nor argument too,
Let's move on, and bid adieu.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Is that right? When someone says absolutely nothing, I'm under no obligation to go into detail on anything.

You've held yourself exempt from backing up your positions for over two decades now, while simultaneously requiring others to do what you refuse to do.

You put the "duh" in "double standard".

 

[Rightguide]

To use corporations against citizens' freedoms,
Is it the Democrats' exclusive kingdom?
This statement doth such a claim make,
A partisan view, for argument's sake.

A fascist construct, it doth declare,
With corporations and government in the snare,
Against Republicans and conservatives, they say,
A political game, with much foul play.

But let us not be swayed by such talk,
And weigh the facts with a balanced walk.
For in this world of politics and power,
The truth may hide, like a hidden flower.

Let us not be blinded by party lines,
Or let our judgment be clouded by designs.
But with clear eyes, let us see,
And fight for justice and liberty.

I agree, but let us not lose sight of the fact that Mussolini was a Socialist and Hitler claimed to be a Socialist.

BTW, nice poetry. I appreciate it.

 

[ll74]

I agree, but let us not lose sight of the fact that Mussolini was a Socialist and Hitler claimed to be a Socialist.

Neither was a socialist. Both were fascists.

Fascism originated with Mussolini

 

[ll74]

Let's go to the tape

Weird.....who is pictured in the Wikipedia page on fascism?

I agree, but let us not lose sight of the fact that Mussolini was a Socialist and Hitler claimed to be a Socialist.

BTW, nice poetry. I appreciate it.

Literally both of those fuckheads.

Weird

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

 

[Rightguide]

Let's go to the tape

Weird.....who is pictured in the Wikipedia page on fascism?

Literally both of those fuckheads.

Weird

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

^^^
Left wing propaganda.

NAZI: National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Mussolini edited Avanati, the Italian Socialist magazine.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

^^^
Left wing propaganda.

NAZI: National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Mussolini edited Avanati, the Italian Socialist magazine.

Damn,you're sure trying to overtake HisArpy!!

BTW it was Anton Drexler who started the NAZI party, not Hitler. Hitler just co-opted the movement......

 

[Veroe]

According to Miriam-Webster Dictionary Fascism is

1. A political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

2. A tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

I think whether Republicans are fascists according to the definition is still up in the air, but I do think the majority of non right-wingers would agree with me when I say the Republican party is more and more trending that way since Donald Trump became it's poster boy.

Obviously you'd disagree with some whataboutism about Obama or Hillary or something like that.

 

[YDB95]

NAZI: National Socialist German Workers’ Party

The use of the word "socialist" in the party name was strictly a marketing ploy.
It has since had the added benefit of being a wonderful tool to fool the likes of you.

 

[ll74]

^^^
Left wing propaganda.

NAZI: National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Mussolini edited Avanati, the Italian Socialist magazine.

Always hilarious when the argument is "well the word is in there, so it's true"

 

[RobDownSouth]

I agree, but let us not lose sight of the fact that Mussolini was a Socialist

BTW, nice poetry. I appreciate it.

oh for fuck's sake knock it off with the revisionism!

Mussolini WAS a socialist until 1914. He got drafted into the Italian Army in World War 1 and his political views became ultranationalist fascist. Mussolini was the public face of fascism for most of the 1930s and 1940s. He originally said Fascism was far different from Nazism, because of Nazism's embrace of Nordicism. Fascism and Nazism eventually melded together over their mutual disdain for all things Jewish,

There is a distinct parallel between Mussolini and yourself, come to think of it. You used to be a conservative until Dubya's splendid little war in Iraq. Then you morphed into the ultranationalist fascist shitstain we know you as today. You didnt embrace Ishmael's Nazi-like disdain of Hispanics and blacks until later in life.

 

[YDB95]

oh for fuck's sake knock it off with the revisionism!

Mussolini WAS a socialist until 1914. He got drafted into the Italian Army in World War 1 and his political views became ultranationalist fascist.

Speaking of which, it's more common than most people think for an extremist to switch to the other extreme like that. It's why so many Boomers will tell you they voted for Dick Gregory in 1968 and Ronald Reagan in 1984 "and the same will happen to you when you're middle aged!" (In my case at least, it didn't.)

 

[Rightguide]

There is a distinct parallel between Mussolini and yourself, come to think of it. You used to be a conservative until Dubya's splendid little war in Iraq. Then you morphed into the ultranationalist fascist shitstain we know you as today. You didnt embrace Ishmael's Nazi-like disdain of Hispanics and blacks until later in life.

You lie. You didn't know me when Bush was President. I don't know anything about "Ishmael's Nazi-like disdain," I don't know anyone named Ishmael.

The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative.

Benito Mussolini

This Socialist/Fascist government construct envisioned here by Mussolini has zero relation to mine, but it must be close to yours since you vote Democrat, and we all know they feel the same way about the "State."

 

[ll74]

You lie. You didn't know me when Bush was President. I don't know anything about "Ishmael's Nazi-like disdain," I don't know anyone named Ishmael.

The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative.

Benito Mussolini

This Socialist/Fascist government construct envisioned here by Mussolini has zero relation to mine, but it must be close to yours since you vote Democrat, and we all know they feel the same way about the "State."

Mussolini was a fascist.

You saying otherwise demonstrates that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. At best he followed the socialist movement in his younger years. As a leader, he.believed.in consolidated and absolute power of the government and absolute rule of one man,.himself.

 

[Rightguide]

You lie. You didn't know me when Bush was President. I don't know anything about "Ishmael's Nazi-like disdain," I don't know anyone named Ishmael.

The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative.

Benito Mussolini

This Socialist/Fascist government construct envisioned here by Mussolini has zero relation to mine, but it must be close to yours since you vote Democrat, and we all know they feel the same way about the "State."

Hetler sounds a lot like you as well:

Hitler on Marxism​

“National Socialism derives from each of the two camps the pure idea that characterizes it, national resolution from bourgeois tradition; vital, creative socialism from the teaching of Marxism.” – January 27, 1934, interview with Hanns Johst in Frankforter Volksblatt

Hitler on Teaching Socialism​

“There is a difference between the theoretical knowledge of socialism and the practical life of socialism. People are not born socialists, but must first be taught how to become them.” – October 5, 1937, speech in Berlin

Hitler on Capitalism​

“In those countries, it is actually capital that rules; that is, nothing more than a clique of a few hundred men who possess untold wealth and, as a consequence of the peculiar structure of their national life, are more or less independent and free. They say: ‘Here we have liberty.’ By this they mean, above all, an uncontrolled economy, and by an uncontrolled economy, the freedom not only to acquire capital but to make absolutely free use of it. That means freedom from national control or control by the people both in the acquisition of capital and in its employment. This is really what they mean when they speak of liberty. These capitalists create their own press and then speak of the ‘freedom of the press.’ In reality, every one of the newspapers has a master, and in every case this master is the capitalist, the owner. This master, not the editor, is the one who directs the policy of the paper. If the editor tries to write other than what suits the master, he is ousted the next day. This press, which is the absolutely submissive and characterless slave of the owners, molds public opinion. Yes, certainly, we jeopardize the liberty to profiteer at the expense of the community, and, if necessary, we even abolish it.” – December 10, 1940, speech in Berlin

Hitler on Socialism​

“Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.” – August 15, 1920, speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus.

Hitler on Social Justice​

“Because it seems inseparable from the social idea and we do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice, and so we have joined forces with this knowledge.” – August 15, 1920, speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus

Hitler on Class Abolition​

“We must on principle free ourselves from any class standpoint.” – April 12, 1922, speech in Munich

“There are no such things as classes: they cannot be. … here there can be no class, here there can be only a single people and beyond that nothing else.” – April 12, 1922, speech in Munich

Hitler on Marxism and Socialism​

(Editor’s Note: StoppingSocialism.com does not agree with Hitler’s description of socialism, communism, and Marxism below. He deliberately misled people about the meaning of these terms for political reasons.)

“Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national.” – 1923, Interview with George Sylvester Viereck