I keep hearing 'the vast majority of Muslims around the world are peace-loving'....

[warrior queen]

So why are they sitting silently by, instead of using their 'vast' numbers to put a stop to the [apparent] minority of extremists?
I hear it on the news, read it in the papers, see it on netcasts.... Islamic leaders saying over and over how most of their followers want nothing more than to live in peace.
So why are they allowing such extremism to continue?

I can't count the numbers of reports I've seen in the last few days condemning what happened in London - Muslim clerics seemingly appalled.
But I don't see/hear them urging their 'peace-loving' followers to make any effort to stop the violence.

Their apathy will end up allowing the fundamentalists and extremists to completely take over.

 

[Sean]

Did you feel the same about Catholic priests and the IRA or is it just because the Muslims tend to be a bit on the swarthy side?

 

[Wings]

How, exactly, should they be getting their opinion out there? Telepathy? Carrier pigeon?

 

[JudasIscariot]

As upset as everybody is over the recent attack which was Horrific.

It's easy to point fingers at the 'Muslim' community because when a Muslim commits a crime no matter what it be, the media especially right wing tend to stir up a frenzy, however it's unfair to blame the whole faith I think personally as it is actually only a minority of people who commit these atrocities.

I do fully understand where your anger and argument is coming from and fully respect your opinion

 

[warrior queen]

How, exactly, should they be getting their opinion out there? Telepathy? Carrier pigeon?

Ok, imagine this scenario.....
The families/friends of the two who attacked the soldier hear disturbing, extremist views being spoken by these guys.
They decide to intervene - because these families and friends are a lovely, peace-loving people - and don't want to see these guys commit any violence.
Report to authorities, engage their Imams (also peace-loving) to re-educate these guys.... ANYTHING to stop them doing something extreme.

Why do the rest of the people who know about their extreme views and hatred do NOTHING?

 

[JudasIscariot]

Ok, imagine this scenario.....
The families/friends of the two who attacked the soldier hear disturbing, extremist views being spoken by these guys.
They decide to intervene - because these families and friends are a lovely, peace-loving people - and don't want to see these guys commit any violence.
Report to authorities, engage their Imams (also peace-loving) to re-educate these guys.... ANYTHING to stop them doing something extreme.

Why do the rest of the people who know about their extreme views and hatred do NOTHING?

They don't know, that's the problem

 

[Sean]

Ok, imagine this scenario.....
The families/friends of the two who attacked the soldier hear disturbing, extremist views being spoken by these guys.
They decide to intervene - because these families and friends are a lovely, peace-loving people - and don't want to see these guys commit any violence.
Report to authorities, engage their Imams (also peace-loving) to re-educate these guys.... ANYTHING to stop them doing something extreme.

Why do the rest of the people who know about their extreme views and hatred do NOTHING?

It happens every day. How do you think so many plots have been thwarted in the last few years?

 

[warrior queen]

They don't know, that's the problem

I don't believe that.
Somebody who knows them must have heard something.

 

[Wings]

Ok, imagine this scenario.....
The families/friends of the two who attacked the soldier hear disturbing, extremist views being spoken by these guys.
They decide to intervene - because these families and friends are a lovely, peace-loving people - and don't want to see these guys commit any violence.
Report to authorities, engage their Imams (also peace-loving) to re-educate these guys.... ANYTHING to stop them doing something extreme.

Why do the rest of the people who know about their extreme views and hatred do NOTHING?

We hear of what, one incident at most, a day? What if they are doing just what you've described above?

Never mind, I see Sean made my point for me.

 

[JudasIscariot]

I don't believe that.
Somebody who knows them must have heard something.

Well that's your opinion, I mean what exactly does the mother of a suicide bomber gain? Absolutely nothing, so it's clutching straws thinking family or friends would like to see their loved ones destroy themselves aswell as innocent people.

These men and women are just extremists, every race has them, it's just that Islam is the flavour of the month.

 

[warrior queen]

It happens every day. How do you think so many plots have been thwarted in the last few years?

It's not enough.
If it were, there would be a LOT less happening.
Stonings of women who have been raped, children attacked for going to school, fighting between different sects, acts of violence such as what happened in Britain and France....
If the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims don't agree, then they should start using their superior numbers to force change.

 

[Sean]

It's not enough.
If it were, there would be a LOT less happening.
Stonings of women who have been raped, children attacked for going to school, fighting between different sects, acts of violence such as what happened in Britain and France....
If the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims don't agree, then they should start using their superior numbers to force change.

Like these little girls that had to be escorted to school by soldiers because CHRISTIANS were throwing bricks and pipe bombs at them?

 

[warrior queen]

Like these little girls that had to be escorted to school by soldiers because CHRISTIANS were throwing bricks and pipe bombs at them?

To be completely honest, I make no distinction between which extremist group in whatever time in history.
I am making the point that in pretty much every case, the VAST MAJORITY of people always claim to disagree with extremists.
Ireland, Russia, Africa, the Middle East.... Hell, Nazi Germany!
Yet the same VAST MAJORIY are apathetic to the point where things spiral completely out of control.

 

[Squibbs]

Ok, imagine this scenario.....
The families/friends of the two who attacked the soldier hear disturbing, extremist views being spoken by these guys.
They decide to intervene - because these families and friends are a lovely, peace-loving people - and don't want to see these guys commit any violence.
Report to authorities, engage their Imams (also peace-loving) to re-educate these guys.... ANYTHING to stop them doing something extreme.

Why do the rest of the people who know about their extreme views and hatred do NOTHING?

You're a fucking idiot.

 

[JudasIscariot]

To be completely honest, I make no distinction between which extremist group in whatever time in history.
I am making the point that in pretty much every case, the VAST MAJORITY of people always claim to disagree with extremists.
Ireland, Russia, Africa, the Middle East.... Hell, Nazi Germany!
Yet the same VAST MAJORIY are apathetic to the point where things spiral completely out of control.

Well they cannot agree with it can they, even if they did agree with it or they would all be vilified and not just the select few.

It's a shame these things happen but terrorism has been going on since the dawn of man, it's nothin new, trying to control can't be achieved as these men and women are brainwashed beyond repair unfortunately.

 

[evesdream]

To be completely honest, I make no distinction between which extremist group in whatever time in history.
I am making the point that in pretty much every case, the VAST MAJORITY of people always claim to disagree with extremists.
Ireland, Russia, Africa, the Middle East.... Hell, Nazi Germany!
Yet the same VAST MAJORIY are apathetic to the point where things spiral completely out of control.

You're not making that point at all.

 

[warrior queen]

Those two guys in London were not operating in a vaccuum.
Several more people have been arrested regarding that attack.
These days, it's almost impossible to operate completely under the radar.
Someone, somewhere, who probably calls themselves a peaceful Muslim, KNEW something was going on.
And did nothing.

Same as pretty much every other terrorist act in recent history.

 

[JudasIscariot]

The penny just won't drop will it.

It's a tiny majority who commit these atrocities!

The people who perform the act don't claim to be peaceful the people who are true to their faith do.

 

[Wings]

The penny just won't drop will it.

It's a tiny majority who commit these atrocities!

The people who perform the act don't claim to be peaceful the people who are true to their faith do.

I truly think you're trying to be helpful but in this case you are talking to a cinder block wall.

 

[EllieTalbot]

So why are they sitting silently by, instead of using their 'vast' numbers to put a stop to the [apparent] minority of extremists?
I hear it on the news, read it in the papers, see it on netcasts.... Islamic leaders saying over and over how most of their followers want nothing more than to live in peace.
So why are they allowing such extremism to continue?

I can't count the numbers of reports I've seen in the last few days condemning what happened in London - Muslim clerics seemingly appalled.
But I don't see/hear them urging their 'peace-loving' followers to make any effort to stop the violence.

Their apathy will end up allowing the fundamentalists and extremists to completely take over.

For the same reason it happens in other groups. They don't want to attract the attention of the hardliners in their communities, lest they find themselves being threatened and ostracized, branded traitors. Also, many feel that if they admit that the tenets of their faith are in need of reform, they're betraying their faith. It's been drummed into them since birth that the Quran is perfect, every bit of it. Unfortunately, there's no solidly formed sect of Islam that officially rejects the verses that drive extremist ideology. Islam hasn't had its renaissance yet.

There are Muslims plugging for reform, but they have a hard time getting support, and run a lot of risk. There was one poor professor, for example, who suggested to his Palestinian students that most of the Quran was an amalgamation of Hebrew and Christian texts, rather than original to Muhammad. They threw him out the window.

But they're around. People just choose not to listen to them, however, and their voices are drowned out by petro-funded Islamist groups who are usually the ones courted by the media.

Sighing in Sri Lanka,
Ellie

 

[JudasIscariot]

I truly think you're trying to be helpful but in this case you are talking to a cinder block wall.

I know, fuck it I've give up on it

 

[BoyNextDoor]

All religion is the problem, not just Islam, or Christianity for that matter. Just another way for the haves to distract and divide the have-nots.

Scratching my scrotum in Scranton,

 

[Wrong Element]

You can just as easily say the same thing about all crime.

"I keep hearing that most people in (City X) aren't criminals, and yet this murder took place in (City X) today! Why didn't the "alleged" majority of non-criminals in (City X) somehow prevent this from taking place?"

 

[eyer]

I know, fuck it I've give up on it

The "bastardex" called...

...he said you're very, very smart.

 

[EllieTalbot]

You can just as easily say the same thing about all crime.

"I keep hearing that most people in (City X) aren't criminals, and yet this murder took place in (City X) today! Why didn't the "alleged" majority of non-criminals in (City X) somehow prevent this from taking place?"

Well, yes, but it's also true that the other citizens of City X could possibly be doing more to prevent it if their city has a severe crime problem.

People in communities formed by religion and ethnicity sometimes get wind of goings-on in one way or another, and there have been a fair number of terrorist acts thwarted because the would-be perpetrators were turned in by someone from their own community (sometimes even their own family members).

Nodding in Nottingham,
Ellie